Time to Send Parmelee Down

[stringer bell]

I have been pulling for this year's new regulars all to establish themselves--Plouffe is the Twins' 3B until Sano is ready, Dozier has had a power surge and has played outstanding defense, Florimon has displayed a (mostly) good glove and hit slightly better than expected, and Parmelee, well he's been very good playing defense in right field. Chris hasn't really had a hot spell, and he has put together some miserable at-bats. It doesn't look like he's suited to playing occasionally and pinch hitting. With the veterans (Morneau, Doumit, and Willingham) getting at-bats (probably a combo of playing the best available and showcasing) and Arcia earning everyday at-bats, there aren't many chances for Parmelee. It's time for him to go back to Rochester to find his swing and wait for a vacancy on the Twins (trade deadline is six weeks away).

[freshinthehouse]

Agreed. Once we move somebody let Parmelee take their spot and let him get regular at-bats.

[beckmt]

No, Parmelee needs to be packaged with one or two of the Twins players to upgrade the prospects we receive in return. If the Twins set up the expectation that Parmelee has no value, he will not be good for us.

[kab21]

No, Parmelee needs to be packaged with one or two of the Twins players to upgrade the prospects we receive in return. If the Twins set up the expectation that Parmelee has no value, he will not be good for us.

 

But Parmelee doesn't have any significant value. It's like a couple of years ago when Casilla and Duensing (thereby named the Duensing rule) were included in every trade proposal because some thought that would get a better prospect in return. It won't. You can't attach 2-3 guys that have negligible value to trade and expect it to sway a team at all. I'm not sure Parmelee's value is much better than those guys that are DFA'd because they are out of options but need to be sent down.

 

Right now we might as well send Parmelee down since he's barely playing. I haven't completely given up on Parmelee but he won't turn things sitting on the bench everyday.

[PseudoSABR]

Right now we might as well send Parmelee down since he's barely playing. I haven't completely given up on Parmelee but he won't turn things sitting on the bench everyday.

Right. That sounds logical and beneficial to development. But I think we see Parm stay on the roster throughout the summer, because the Twins plan to trade somebody(ies) in the next month.

 

It's silly but both the fanbase and media seems to be confusing flirting with .500 for competing for a playoff spot, which is just a silly way long off.

[kab21]

Right. That sounds logical and beneficial to development. But I think we see Parm stay on the roster throughout the summer, because the Twins plan to trade somebody(ies) in the next month.

 

It's silly but both the fanbase and media seems to be confusing flirting with .500 for competing for a playoff spot, which is just a silly way long off.

 

The might not send Parmelee down but if they are planning to trade somebody it would make sense that Parmelee had more than 20 AB's in the previous month if he was going back into a starting role. I'm not giving up on Parmelee but I have always thought he was only a placeholder that tops out in the .275/.350/.425/.775 OPS area. That's a 10-15 HR corner OF'er that neither hurts nor helps your team. So far he hasn't shown that he's that guy though.

[stringer bell]

Parmelee has had two torrid stretches that I know about. One was in September of 2011 when he was called up and hit .355 with a 1.035 OPS in 88 PAs. The other was a real hot streak in Rochester which raised his line to .338 with a 1.102 OPS at Rochester in almost 300 PAs. He hasn't been that guy in Minnesota in 2012 or 2013. If he gets a thousand PAs, he probably will have a real hot streak in him, but expecting even an .800 OPS from him for a season doesn't look likely. He has demonstrated that he is a capable right fielder, which gives the team versatility going forward. Perhaps as he matures, he could become a better-fielding Randy Bush, but right now for his good (and the good of the team), he needs to get his swing and his confidence back.

[diehardtwinsfan]

The thing frustrates me about Parmelee is that while this was supposed to be his year to get consistent MLB at bats to prove himself, the one thing he hasn't gotten is consistent MLB at bats. He hasn't had more than a 2 or 3 week stretch of playing every day before he gets benched for Arcia, and while I really like Arcia, the Twins know what they have in Oswaldo and need to find out what they have in Chris. This one, to me, falls on Gardy and TR. I know that Gardy really likes Arcia, but Ryan keeps giving him to Gardy, and Parmelee is the one that suffers for this.

 

I don't see how demoting him is going to do that. For one, his options are dwindling. Second, he destroyed AAA last year after destroying AA the year prior. I don't think he has much to prove in the minors. Third, he does take a pretty patient approach to hitting, which is something that will serve him well. Fourth, to answer someone else's comment, he has little trade value and won't have any until he can produce some MLB results, which is pretty difficult for him given the environment he's playing in.

 

I get that this is the time of the year to showcase the tradable assets, but if that's the case, Arcia should still be in AAA. As soon as Morneau, Willingham, or Doumit is moved, Arcia can be up to stay.

[silverslugger]

 

 

I get that this is the time of the year to showcase the tradable assets, but if that's the case, Arcia should still be in AAA. As soon as Morneau, Willingham, or Doumit is moved, Arcia can be up to stay.

 

Three Things: First, if you have two players and both of them have destroyed triple A pitching but only one of them has shown competence at the mlb level, then you send the one down who hasn't shown competence because he most likely still has things to work on. That would be Parmelee. I understand that Arcia's "competence" has been the result of a very small sample size so far.

 

Second, the typical or average Twins fan who pays good money to be at Target Field or who tunes in to watch who Bert will circle next expects the most talented/best player to be on the Twins roster. Arcia has proven so far that he is that player over Parmelee.

 

Third, I agree that Parmelee should be getting regular at-bats regardless of where he is, Minnesota or Rochester. If Gardy's not going to give him those at-bats and Ryan isn't going to affect the 25 man to force Gardy's hand, then Parmelee shouldn't be wasted on the bench waiting for a pinch hit opportunity every third game. He should be down in Rochester getting every-day at bats and not getting stale. I, for one, am not convinced Ryan is going to pull off the necessary trade that will open up at-bats for Parm after the deadline. I can easily see the Twins brass explaining their lack of involvement on August 1 by stating they just weren't offered anything of quality for Willingham, Morneau, or Doumit and they may just be telling us the truth at that point, unfortunately.

[jorgenswest]

I suppose they need to play Doumit, Morneau and Willingham regularly to maximize any potential trade value. Sending Parmelee down to get regular at bats until a spot opens would be reasonable.

 

Ideally that spot opens soon. At least one of Doumit or Willingham must be traded. The other needs to DH. Under no circumstances should either be on the team next year in anything other than a Jim Thome role. Their league bottom defense will only decline further.

[Danchat]

My question is why the heck has he been on the bench since Arcia came up? Now suddenly Doumit gets RF all to himself! I'm fine with sending Parmelee down to work on his batting, but why let him rot on the bench like this?

[mnfireman]

Parm has a .184/.279/.263 slash line for the month of June. Do you really want him taking playing time from Arcia, Doumit and/or Willingham? I see him going to AAA when Hicks is eligible to come off of the DL.

[mnfireman]

June slash lines for Twins OF's

Arcia - .303/.378/.515

Doumit - .286/.351/.514

Willingham - .220/319/.305

Thomas - .267/.313/.378

Hicks - .280/.308/.400

[twinsnorth49]

They won't send Parms down, they know what he can do there, it would be nice to see him getting a few more at bats but he'll get plenty when either Hammer or Doumit get traded.

 

After that it's up to him, if he continues to struggle for the remainder of the year it will be interesting to see how that alters the team's approach to Morneau in the off season.

[TheLeviathan]

They won't send Parms down, they know what he can do there, it would be nice to see him getting a few more at bats but he'll get plenty when either Hammer or Doumit get traded.

 

Exactly, there is absolutely nothing for Parmalee to prove in AAA. He needs ML at-bats.

 

This "hey, we're in contention" myth because we're hovering near .500 appears to be upsetting some of the goals of this season: get players who could be part of the future time to show if they can make it in the bigs. Parmalee is at the head of that group and now he's losing at-bats to guys who won't be part of the future.

 

This isn't Arcia or Parmalee....it's Parmalee or Willingham/Doumit.

[silverslugger]

Someone must smarter than me once stated that if your not PROgressing you're REgressing. I'm not advocating sending Parms down because I think he needs to continue to prove himself against AAA pitching. I'm advocating it because his bat and his bum are accumulating nothing but rust. In a sense, our worst fears are coming true. The Twins are just relevant enough that the manager who is fighting for his managerial existence is justified in playing the veterans over the youngsters at this point in the season.

[drjim]

In the lineup today! Clearly the Twins read our forums.

 

I also think he got caught up as the Twins were facing some lefties and other guys were playing better. He'll get some chances before the season is over.

[twinsnorth49]

In the lineup today! Clearly the Twins read our forums.

 

I also think he got caught up as the Twins were facing some lefties and other guys were playing better. He'll get some chances before the season is over.

 

Get some chances? If he's not a regular fixture in the lineup for the rest of the season, what's the point? Waste another season trying to find out whether the guy will become a legit MLB hitter? I hope not.

 

Rinse and repeat for the Dozier thread by the way.

[Willihammer]

In a sense, our worst fears are coming true. The Twins are just relevant enough that the manager who is fighting for his managerial existence is justified in playing the veterans over the youngsters at this point in the season.

The horror!

 

Parmelee's had 203 chances to prove himself this year and left his bat on his shoulder for way too many good pitches IMO.

 

I agree he should probably go back down but only because he's pretty much a dead roster spot at this point.

[kab21]

The thing frustrates me about Parmelee is that while this was supposed to be his year to get consistent MLB at bats to prove himself, the one thing he hasn't gotten is consistent MLB at bats. He hasn't had more than a 2 or 3 week stretch of playing every day before he gets benched for Arcia, and while I really like Arcia, the Twins know what they have in Oswaldo and need to find out what they have in Chris. This one, to me, falls on Gardy and TR. I know that Gardy really likes Arcia, but Ryan keeps giving him to Gardy, and Parmelee is the one that suffers for this.

 

 

He got 160 PA's in April and May. That is consistent playing time imo. He finally has been taken out of the lineup because he didn't hit that well.

[Danchat]

After Parmelee just hit 2 HRs today... yeah, let's send him down.

GIVE HIM MORE ABs!!!!

[mnsports255]

1st time poster, so hi everyone!

 

Parmelee provides too much power when inserted into the lineup to send back down to AAA, (where btw he has raked consistently when there). He shows it in flashes, but he needs to be given a steady chance to prove himself as not only a HR but also a double hitter. And he's 26 I believe. He's still young, but the time is now. The fielding has been solid in addition.

[Brock Beauchamp]

The horror!

 

Parmelee's had 203 chances to prove himself this year and left his bat on his shoulder for way too many good pitches IMO.

 

I agree he should probably go back down but only because he's pretty much a dead roster spot at this point.

 

After today, his bat is close to league average.

 

This is the year the Twins need to play those guys every game so they don't have to wonder about them in 2014.

[kab21]

1st time poster, so hi everyone!

 

Parmelee provides too much power when inserted into the lineup to send back down to AAA, (where btw he has raked consistently when there). He shows it in flashes, but he needs to be given a steady chance to prove himself as not only a HR but also a double hitter. And he's 26 I believe. He's still young, but the time is now. The fielding has been solid in addition.

 

This isn't a situation where you give up on Parmelee. And sending him down isn't giving up on him. The situation is that the Twins have too many players that should be getting everyday AB's. Doumit and willingham are veterans that you aren't going to bench especially since that will affect any possible trade value that they have. Arcia is up and is one of the best hitters in the lineup. As long as he is with the Twins he should not be benched. That leaves Parmelee sitting on the bench a lot. The correct move (regardless of his 2 HR game) is to send him down for a month until a veteran is traded or injured.

[Kwak]

Doumit has been "the big bat" for about 2weeks (except tonight) so Gardy created space to play him every day. Makes sense to me. However before his hot streak, Doumit was worthy of only backup Catcher and some pinchhitting duty. Perhaps he has "cooled-off"? Willingham is ice cold. Oh, and Parmalee says " you can shove this thread"!

So maybe Gardy decides to play Parmalee for a week. We'll see.

[jorgenswest]

I think we need to start some other "Is it time to send down... " threads.

[johnnydakota]

It appears Parmelle will not go quietly into the night,

As tonight he showed he has something, maybe instead of sending him down ,

We trade him as part of a package to a team needing help,especially after the suspentions come...

[jokin]

The horror!

 

Parmelee's had 203 chances to prove himself this year and left his bat on his shoulder for way too many good pitches IMO.

 

I agree he should probably go back down but only because he's pretty much a dead roster spot at this point.

 

 

 

I'm going to trademark this one as "The D.R.S. Talking-To."

 

Do you give this same motivational speech on a full-time basis in another venue? Where do I sign my kids up? The "DRS" is back in the house!

[greengoblinrulz]

Willingham

Arcia

Parmellee

Morneau

Doumit

Mauer

 

There are 6 players who all have a right to play fulltime but only 5 positions.

I put this on Gardy to find a way to get ALL of them the playing time needed, but this is not his strong suit as a manager.

I would prefer Doumit to go back to being a fulltime backup C, but he has gotten into Gardy's good graces & isnt gonna be the one to lose time.

[Willihammer]

After today, his bat is close to league average.

 

This is the year the Twins need to play those guys every game so they don't have to wonder about them in 2014.

 

What happens in 2014?