Game Thread: Tigers (Mize) v Twins (Varland); 4/21 @ 1:10pm CT

[Dave Borton]

1 minute ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

Maybe when Correa and Lewis get back, they go a run. With Lopez, Ryan and Ober, there's enough starting pitching. But the tailspin may do more damage than they can overcome.

3 true starters will get you about .500 ball.

[OvertheHill]

Margot, remind me again, why? 

[Parfigliano]

12 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

I guess in Jeffers' case there's some merit to giving a catcher a full day off now and again. Catching is tough duty.

And it was and remains pretty clear Santana wasn't signed to be a part time 1st baseman. He was being counted on as the every day guy from the time ink went to paper on the contract. 

I'd assume he gets another month, month and half of full time duty before any changes to that.

Double that duty time and add 15 games then maybe, maybe they change

[Dave Borton]

24 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

...

I don't think this is just a slow start. Santana looks completely cooked to me.

I love Farmer but I am wondering if age 33 is the same for him.

[RpR]

2 minutes ago, OvertheHill said:

Margot, remind me again, why? 

why not?

 

[ib uk]

1 minute ago, OvertheHill said:

Margot, remind me again, why? 

MAT cost a couple of million more than ownership wanted to pay so they invested it in de Sclefani instead.

[RpR]

Just now, davidborton said:

I love Farmer but I am wondering if age 33 is the same for him.

It is odd, Wallner was sub .100 with a LOT of Ks; Farmer is sub .100 with 9 Ks, rather strange.

[USAFChief]

Fun with numbers: per BWAR, Royce Lewis is the 10th most valuable Twins player in 2024.

He has 2 plate appearances.

[RpR]

1 minute ago, ib uk said:

MAT cost a couple of million more than ownership wanted to pay so they invested it in de Sclefani instead.

Yes but Mat signed for the same as last year, in the end.

[Jocko87]

1 minute ago, RpR said:

It is odd, Wallner was sub .100 with a LOT of Ks; Farmer is sub .100 with 9 Ks, rather strange.

You familiar with the minor league option system?

[Parfigliano]

11 minutes ago, davidborton said:

1 May, earliest I even check on the lawn.
15 May, earliest Target Field gates finds my butt in the seat.

Whats a lawn?

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

I don't think age is the issue for Farmer. He wouldn't have gone from 2023 production to the worst hitter in the majors all in the span of an off season. 

This team is just completely lost at the plate.

[jkcarew]

1 minute ago, RpR said:

It is odd, Wallner was sub .100 with a LOT of Ks; Farmer is sub .100 with 9 Ks, rather strange.

Arrive at the same place via different routes.

Gonna make it hard on the MVP voters.

[ib uk]

Just now, RpR said:

Yes but Mat signed for the same as last year, in the end.

I'll give the FO the benefit of the doubt on that part - he wasn't asking what he signed for when they gave up and pivoted elsewhere; he was forced to it because his market shrank (including the Twins giving up on him).

But the end result of not paying him nearer his asking price is... Margot and de Sclefani. One is rubbish, the other will never throw a single pitch for the Twins. The result of "saving" a couple of million dollars is literally wasting a few million dollars on de Sclefani, and replacing MAT with an inferior version.

[OvertheHill]

Just now, ib uk said:

I'll give the FO the benefit of the doubt on that part - he wasn't asking what he signed for when they gave up and pivoted elsewhere; he was forced to it because his market shrank (including the Twins giving up on him).

But the end result of not paying him nearer his asking price is... Margot and de Sclefani. One is rubbish, the other will never throw a single pitch for the Twins. The result of "saving" a couple of million dollars is literally wasting a few million dollars on de Sclefani, and replacing MAT with an inferior version.

A FAR inferior version I would say 

[ib uk]

Just now, OvertheHill said:

A FAR inferior version I would say 

I don't think I'd disagree with that. Even just defensively, MAT was a high-quality CF and I wouldn't trust Margot out there for a second. And MAT struck out a lot but I'd still prefer to see him coming up in the order than Margot.

[Parfigliano]

5 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Fun with numbers: per BWAR, Royce Lewis is the 10th most valuable Twins player in 2024.

He has 2 

Wow

[Schmoeman5]

5 minutes ago, RpR said:

It is odd, Wallner was sub .100 with a LOT of Ks; Farmer is sub .100 with 9 Ks, rather strange.

Farmer used to be a guy who could poke a ball into RF for a hit. Now he's trying to pull on everything. So maybe he's not K'ing but they're easy outs

[OvertheHill]

But hey at least Margot has a rocket arm out there in shallow right 😂 

[USAFChief]

Jeebus Theilbar is awful.

[jaimedude]

Margot doesn't have much of an arm does he. Man is that guy a bad fit for the Twins

Not sure why Twins felt compelled to bring him in. Front office and ownership had one of the worst off-season decision making periods for the Twins. No wonder Lavine was trying to bail, Joe Pohlad is scrooge reincarnated. 

[Dave Borton]

6 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

Whats a lawn?

 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Varland. Thielbar. Santana. Can't let these guys continue to get a shot.

[OvertheHill]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Jeebus Theilbar is awful.

Yeah he’s the definition of mop up these days 

[jkcarew]

Sure! TODAY Thielbar get’s Carpenter. I guess Rocco was correct when he brought him in Friday after all. 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Is Cleveland ever going to lose?

[ib uk]

Noted power hitter, Austin Martin, breaks the Twins' duck!

[OvertheHill]

Well that’s a bright spot!

[RpR]

10 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

You familiar with the minor league option system?

Nothing to do with options, it is how one can be that low with so few Ks.

[KirbyDome89]

This team loves to score runs when they don't matter....