Common sense regarding Byron Buxton.

[Schmoeman5]

Byron Buxton was added to the AL All-star team. Congratulations for the accolade considering he's playing on 1 good leg. But I believe the Twins should put him on the 10 day IL at the conclusion of the 4 game set with the White Sox. Sure it's a honor to be selected to the all-star game and I'm sure that's 1 of the incentives built into his contract. So mission accomplished there. But if the Twins are really trying to win the division, it is essential that they have Buxton as healthy as possible for the rest of the season. And the upcoming all-star game gives them an opportunity to rest whatever is ailing him. The Twins have 5 days off during all-star week. Then a 2 game set vs the Tigers followed by a day off and then another 2 game set vs Milwaukee and another day off. So that would mean that Buxton would only miss 4 games total during a 11 day stretch. That gives him a much needed respite and allows the Twins to lose him for the minimum amount of games. I'm not sure if it's an option because I don't know if mlb counts those off day. But if they do, that's the route I'd take. Would like to hear what TD nation thinks. PEACE!

[Tjwalsh65]

I think sounds like a great idea.   Or if you would set him for the Sunday Game,  Put in on Sunday and he would be able to come back for the Milwaukee Series and only miss 3 games.

 

I do think that MLB counts off days.

[chpettit19]

8 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Byron Buxton was added to the AL All-star team. Congratulations for the accolade considering he's playing on 1 good leg. But I believe the Twins should put him on the 10 day IL at the conclusion of the 4 game set with the White Sox. Sure it's a honor to be selected to the all-star game and I'm sure that's 1 of the incentives built into his contract. So mission accomplished there. But if the Twins are really trying to win the division, it is essential that they have Buxton as healthy as possible for the rest of the season. And the upcoming all-star game gives them an opportunity to rest whatever is ailing him. The Twins have 5 days off during all-star week. Then a 2 game set vs the Tigers followed by a day off and then another 2 game set vs Milwaukee and another day off. So that would mean that Buxton would only miss 4 games total during a 11 day stretch. That gives him a much needed respite and allows the Twins to lose him for the minimum amount of games. I'm not sure if it's an option because I don't know if mlb counts those off day. But if they do, that's the route I'd take. Would like to hear what TD nation thinks. PEACE!

Everything I've read said that all the team drs, and the outside specialists, they've talked to about his knee say that 10 days off wouldn't fix anything, and that's why they're doing things the way they are. An IL stint to get him back to 100% would be drastically longer and all 10 days off would do would be have him miss 10 days, feel a bit better for a couple, but then be right back where they are. My understanding from the reports are that it's a lengthy period of time during the offseason that's going to be needed for him to actually get back to 100%. If that's the case I think doing what they're doing is the unfortunate best answer.

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

Everything I've read said that all the team drs, and the outside specialists, they've talked to about his knee say that 10 days off wouldn't fix anything, and that's why they're doing things the way they are. An IL stint to get him back to 100% would be drastically longer and all 10 days off would do would be have him miss 10 days, feel a bit better for a couple, but then be right back where they are. My understanding from the reports are that it's a lengthy period of time during the offseason that's going to be needed for him to actually get back to 100%. If that's the case I think doing what they're doing is the unfortunate best answer.

Thanks. I wasn't suggesting that the 10 days would completely heal him. But I understand what you're saying. He'd feel OK for a couple days and then be right back to where he was before the 10 day stint.

[Schmoeman5]

10 minutes ago, Tjwalsh65 said:

I think sounds like a great idea.   Or if you would set him for the Sunday Game,  Put in on Sunday and he would be able to come back for the Milwaukee Series and only miss 3 games.

 

I do think that MLB counts off days.

Yeah. I was just being greedy in having him play through Sunday since the WhiteSox are division rivals

[USAFChief]

We've had this discussion.

 

Including the idea that if an IL stint would help, they'd likely have done so.

[mnfireman]

As our old friend Meatloaf stated; 2 out 3 ain't bad (games played).

[Trov]

I think he should just opt out of the All star game.  Let a replacement in.  I am sure he still gets what ever bonus if any for getting selected.  He does not need to take any swings or run down any fly balls or run bases in this game.  I am not for putting on IL as they would have already if they felt it was best thing to do, but to play in all star game makes no sense if he can only play 2 out of 3 games for us. 

[SwainZag]

3 minutes ago, Trov said:

I think he should just opt out of the All star game.  Let a replacement in.  I am sure he still gets what ever bonus if any for getting selected.  He does not need to take any swings or run down any fly balls or run bases in this game.  I am not for putting on IL as they would have already if they felt it was best thing to do, but to play in all star game makes no sense if he can only play 2 out of 3 games for us. 

First ever All Star selection is a pretty special honor and you can tell he is pretty proud to get selected.  I see no harm in letting him go and possibly get an AB or an inning in CF.  

[stringer bell]

I still have questions about the handling of Buxton. 1) Is this what the Twins can expect for the balance of Buxton’s contract? 2) How much is the ongoing injury effecting Buxton’s current performance? 3) How long on the IL would it take for Buxton to “get right”,

[Schmoeman5]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

We've had this discussion.

 

Including the idea that if an IL stint would help, they'd likely have done 

Sorry I missed that discussion or forgot about it. Still, as a laymen I don't understand how 2 or 3 days a week off allows him to continue to play but 10 or 11 wont. And after some recent revelations I don't put a whole lot of stock in Minnesotas team doctors or trainers. If he's going to get surgery then why wait till the end of the year. Or is this going to be Buxton for the duration of his career?

[Blyleven2011]

16 minutes ago, Trov said:

 play in all star game makes no sense if he can only play 2 out of 3 games for us. 

My thoughts exactly  ,,,

he should go but not play ...

If he does play just use him as a pinch hitter and if he gets on base have a pinch runner ready ....

I'm sure the FO has had discussions with the league and the American league manager and staff ...

[SanoMustGo]

He is injured..this is the Buxton we will see for the remainder of the season..probably 70%.  However, there is always a chance he could aggravate whatever it is that ails him, and then my guess his season will be over.

[bean5302]

I suspect the injury will require surgery. One of those, if he can play through the pain, can't make it worse type of thing. Tendon/ligament injuries are often that way. One day things feel okay. The next, holy crap, you can barely walk. Two days after that, you're good to go again. 

[chpettit19]

33 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Sorry I missed that discussion or forgot about it. Still, as a laymen I don't understand how 2 or 3 days a week off allows him to continue to play but 10 or 11 wont. And after some recent revelations I don't put a whole lot of stock in Minnesotas team doctors or trainers. If he's going to get surgery then why wait till the end of the year. Or is this going to be Buxton for the duration of his career?

What recent revelations are you referring to that should make us question the team doctors or trainers?

[Schmoeman5]

13 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

What recent revelations are you referring to that should make us question the team doctors or trainers?

They totally missed diagnosed Trevor Larnachs injury. 

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, Schmoeman5 said:

They totally missed diagnosed Trevor Larnachs injury. 

Misdiagnosed 

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

They totally missed diagnosed Trevor Larnachs injury. 

Really? I missed that. That's not good.

[IndianaTwin]

By the way, the 10 day IL has been switched back to 15 days.

[stringer bell]

2 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

By the way, the 10 day IL has been switched back to 15 days.

Only for pitchers. 

[mnfireman]

I can't find anything on Larnach, except that he tried to play through the pain and that the initial diagnosis was based on what he told them. The final diagnosis was after the team sent him to a specialist. Maybe someone can share more.

[USAFChief]

2 hours ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Sorry I missed that discussion or forgot about it. Still, as a laymen I don't understand how 2 or 3 days a week off allows him to continue to play but 10 or 11 wont. And after some recent revelations I don't put a whole lot of stock in Minnesotas team doctors or trainers. If he's going to get surgery then why wait till the end of the year. Or is this going to be Buxton for the duration of his career?

Dunno. 

[IndianaTwin]

1 hour ago, stringer bell said:

Only for pitchers. 

Thanks for the clarification. 

[bean5302]

So typically there are 6 games a week. 150 games is a good target for a full season with minimal to no injury time lost. Buxton has played in 70 of 91 games. He's on pace for 125 games or so right now. There are about 27 weeks to the baseball season this year. Buxton is missing 3 games every 2 weeks or so or about 1.5 games per week.

Buxton is not missing 2-3 days a week (if we're really talking about games). He's missing half that number. Buxton will struggle to be a qualified hitter at this point, but he may well put together his 2nd highest plate total of his career.

Larnach was not misdiagnosed. Larnach was playing with core soreness he did not report, and the soreness got worse over time. When he finally reported the soreness to staff, the Twins had him checked out and he was diagnosed him with a core muscle strain (hernia) which is exactly what he has. The second opinion was in regard to treatment options, not diagnosis to the best of my knowledge. Rest or Injection or Surgery.

Larnach chose surgery.
https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-larnach-to-undergo-surgery-for-core-injury

Sometimes players get misdiagnosed or the treatment suggested or chosen doesn't work well. Larnach doesn't appear to be one of those cases.

[Schmoeman5]

11 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

So typically there are 6 games a week. 150 games is a good target for a full season with minimal to no injury time lost. Buxton has played in 70 of 91 games. He's on pace for 125 games or so right now. There are about 27 weeks to the baseball season this year. Buxton is missing 3 games every 2 weeks or so or about 1.5 games per week.

Buxton is not missing 2-3 days a week (if we're really talking about games). He's missing half that number. Buxton will struggle to be a qualified hitter at this point, but he may well put together his 2nd highest plate total of his career.

Larnach was not misdiagnosed. Larnach was playing with core soreness he did not report, and the soreness got worse over time. When he finally reported the soreness to staff, the Twins had him checked out and he was diagnosed him with a core muscle strain (hernia) which is exactly what he has. The second opinion was in regard to treatment options, not diagnosis to the best of my knowledge. Rest or Injection or Surgery.

Larnach chose surgery.
https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-larnach-to-undergo-surgery-for-core-injury

Sometimes players get misdiagnosed or the treatment suggested or chosen doesn't work well. Larnach doesn't appear to be one of those cases.

That article is not 100% truthful and accurate. He was offered the injection and rest period for core muscle strain. His agent insisted on the second opinion where it was discovered to be more of a tear than a strain and that surgery was recommended. 

[bean5302]

Just now, Schmoeman5 said:

That article is not 100% truthful and accurate. He was offered the injection and rest period for core muscle strain. His agent insisted on the second opinion where it was discovered to be more of a tear than a strain and that surgery was recommended. 

Can you provide a link to the source which said the Twins staff misdiagnosed him?

 

[stringer bell]

Buxton has “played” at least four games where he had one or less plate appearances. Also, as with today, he’s been the DH frequently. He’s played less than half of the games in center field. A player that offers so much value in the field not playing center even half the time is really limiting the value that he adds to the team. 

[h2oface]

At this point, I could care less if we get one more o-fer with 3 Ks from Buxton, or miss them. If the other players and managers are crazy enough to name him al all-star this year, so be it. Let him play in it. It is our pen and pitching that is the problem.

[old nurse]

4 hours ago, Schmoeman5 said:

They totally missed diagnosed Trevor Larnachs injury. 

You can say that. It is popular to say stuff like that. You really don’t know what the injury is. You really don’t appear to know what the treatment is. From the information available he has what used to be called a sports hernia. Without any bulging. The first line of treatment is nsaids and rest. You don’t go in unless you have to.

[Schmoeman5]

1 minute ago, old nurse said:

You can say that. It is popular to say stuff like that. You really don’t know what the injury is. You really don’t appear to know what the treatment is. From the information available he has what used to be called a sports hernia. Without any bulging. The first line of treatment is nsaids and rest. You don’t go in unless you have to.

I do know what the injury is and I do know what his treatment is. In fact I had lunch and dinner with him today