Nick Nelson Site Manager Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 I see that a few people have posted their own blueprints for the Twins' offseason, either on the forum or in a blog post, and that's great. But I thought it would create a thread where we can collect everyone's takes in one place and get a look at the various directions people think the club should go this winter. Please feel free to post your suggested course for the Terry Ryan and the front office below, whether it's aimed at getting the team back to contention in 2013 or starting a more long-term rebuilding effort. Include any moves you'd make, your projected 25-man Opening Day roster and a projected payroll. If you have one, use your Offseason Handbook to identify free agents and trade targets, and fill in financial details.
DaveW Old-Timey Member Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 1. Sign Mark DeRosa to a minor league contract.2. Trade Rosario+another prospect or two to the Marlins for Josh Johnson, sign Johnson to a 4 year/ 75 mil extension.3. Sign Kelly Johnson 2 years/11 mil4. Sign Eric Chavez 1 year, 1.25 mil.5. Sign Scott Baker 1 year, 3 mil base, up to 2.5 mil in incentives for IP6. Trade Denard Span+ Hendriks+ C+ prospect to TB for James Shields.7. Sign Liriano to a 1 year 4.2 mil deal Rotation:ShieldsJohnsonBakerDiamondGibson/Liriano Roster:C: Mauer1B: Morneau2B: JohnsonSS: Dozier/Carroll3B: Plouffe Chavez as a back upLF: WillinghamCF: RevereRF:ParmeleeDH: Doumit Bullpen:CL: PerkinsSU: BurtonLOOGY: DuensingMRP: FienMRP: GuerraMRP: Liriano?
JP3700 Provisional Member Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 Transactions: Trade CF Denard Span for SP Tommy Hanson. Trade 1B Justin Morneau for RP Andrew Miller. Trade RP Tyler Robertson for 2B/3B Ryan Roberts. Sign Stephen Drew to a four year, $30 million contract. Year 1: $5.5 millionYear 2: $7.5 millionYear 3: $8 millionYear 4: $9 million Sign Shaun Marcum to a two year, $18 million contract. Includes a third year club option of $12 million with a $2 million buyout. Sign Scott Baker to a one year, $3 million contract with up to $4 million in incentives. Includes a second year club option of $9 million. Sign OF Melky Cabrera to a one year, $5 million contract with up to $3 million in incentives. Sign SP/RP Carlos Villanueva to a one year, $4.5 million contract. Sign RP Kyle Farnsworth to a one year, $2.25 million contract. The Roster (with salaries): Starting Lineup:CF Ben Revere $500,000RF Melky Cabrera $5,000,000C Joe Mauer $23,000,000LF Josh Willingham $7,000,000DH Ryan Doumit $3,500,0001B Chris Parmelee $500,0003B Trevor Plouffe $500,000SS Stephen Drew $5,500,0002B Ryan Roberts $3,000,000 Bench:IF Jamey Carroll $3,750,000OF Darin Mastroianni $500,000Backup C $500,000Bench Bat $500,000 Rotation:Tommy Hanson $4,000,000Shaun Marcum $9,000,000Scott Diamond $500,000Scott Baker $3,000,000Carlos Villanueva $4,500,000 Bullpen:Glen Perkins $2,500,000Jared Burton $2,000,000Kyle Farnsworth $2,250,000Andrew Miller $1,500,000Casey Fien $500,000Brian Duensing $1,250,000Competition $500,000 $53,750,000 Position Players$21,000,000 Starting Rotation$10,500,000 Bullpen$5,750,000 Blackburn & CappsUp to $7,000,000 Incentives$91-98,000,000 Total
JP3700 Provisional Member Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I just wanted to add the thought process for my blueprint and give some explanations. First I want to say that even though I have names attached to the transactions, for the most part it's more about the approach I would take. Let me start with the Denard Span trade. I, like Phil Mackey, feel that Denard to Atlanta makes a lot of sense. However, I feel that Hanson makes more sense than Minor. He's set to make $4 million in arbitration so it would be close to an even swap in dollars along with up to 3 years of control for each player. Another reason is, other than Medlen, the other 4 young pitchers they have are all pre arbitration, so it would make more sense for them to keep those guys for financial reasons. I'll be honest, the Justin Morneau trade is a salary dump. I know! It hurts me too. However, I do think we can sneak in some value in a trade. Boston has a hole at first base and are seeking short term deals to avoid more bad contracts, while still being competitive. They are stacked with bullpen arms and Andrew Miller has some good upside. He failed as a starter but he's a lefty, was pretty successful in first season as a reliever, throws in the mid 90s and has a hard slider. Kind of remind you of someone? Ryan Roberts is most likely to be non-tendered by the Rays so they get a young, cheap lefty reliever to replace J.P. Howell. Roberts projects to be a backup to Longoria and Zobrist and they can't afford to pay $3 million to a bench player. I like that he brings a little pop along with solid defense and decent on base skills. I also like his versatility as an insurance policy in case Plouffe struggles at 3B. The Stephen Drew signing is my "crazy aggressive" move. He projects to receive a 1-2 year deal at around $8 million per. My 4 years are to ensure that he signs with the Twins. I'm sure my insatiable craving for a decent SS has something to do with it, but I think it's a good gamble. Late in the season, he seemed to be regaining his form from 2009-2011, and that's what I'm banking on. If that happens, he would be a steal. If not, it would blow up in my face. You have to take some risks if you want to win though right? The Marcum and Baker deals are self explanatory. Both players have been discussed many a time, so I won't go into detail there. Melky Cabrera? Sign with the Twins? Blasphemy! We all know he'll be seeking a one year deal to rebuild his value, so why not do it with the Twins? He won't have to deal with a high pressure media market and Target Field has plenty of room to slap around some hits. He also serves as a great bridge to Arcia or Hicks and could bring some value at the deadline. Carlos Villanueva and Kyle Farnsworth pretty much fill out the pitching staff. Villanueva wants to prove himself as a starter and we have a spot for him. As for Farnsworth, I was looking to add a proven reliever to stabilize the pen, and he's the guy I chose. There are obviously similar guys out there, but I like him to have a bounce back year. My goal offensively was to provide a more balanced lineup, while also keeping an average defense on the field. As for pitching, I wanted to bring in guys that could miss some bats! All 5 new pitchers have shown that they can pile up some punch outs, and we know Scott Baker can hold his own as well. The best part is that there would only be $54 million allocated to payroll going into next off season, so there would be some room to improve once again.
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I had mine as a blog... here it is: It's no secret as to where the Twins struggled last season. Starting pitching was by far the worst, but the Twins were left lacking up the middle as well as in the pen. The good news is that from a hitting standpoint, the Twins look fairly set going forward. Rochester's OF should consist of 3 decent prospects in Arcia, Hicks, and Benson (though Benson's stock has fallen a bit), and one of them should be ready if/when someone goes down or is traded. The higher minors are bereft of pitching talent and middle infield talent, though prospect Brian Dozier should get a chance to establish himself in Rochester next year. I for one am not as down on him as others, and a year in AAA will likely be beneficial to him. Fortunately for the Twins, there are options. In my plan, the Twins will make two trades this offseason. The first of which will be to deal Anthony Slama to the Angels for Dan Haren and 3M. While I personally think Slama deserves a shot, it seems clear that he isn't going to get one in Minnesota. The Angles took a similar type deal in letting go Santana, and they will take another one to for Haren as they will esentially get an RP arm for the cost of Haren's buyout, which they were going to pay anyways. The second will be to deal Denard Span and a PTBNL to the Reds for minor league pitcher Tony Cingrani. They will not sit quitely in the FA market either. The Twins go ahead and sign Scott Baker to a 2 year deal with an option. He will receive 2M in 2013 and 6M in 2014 with a 10M option in 2015 or a 1M buyout. They also choose to bring on Erik Bedard on a 1 year 2M deal. Bedard was very good for Pittsburg before falling apart late summer. That was certainly in part due to being tired as he hasn't had huge workloads for several years now. His purpose is to hopefully last the year, but if not, he buys time for Gibson/Hendricks. Gibson will be shut down early in the spring so that he can finish the year with 130 innings. The Twins will also go heavily after Marcum, and they will get him after adding a 2nd year and an option to his contract. Marcum is signed for 2/16 with a 3rd year option. They will opt for 1 year fixes in the middle infield. Both Kelly Johnson and Stephen Drew will be signed to 1 year deals to man the middle. This should provide better defense overall and a reasonable potential to help at the plate. Dozier will start in AAA where he belongs, and the Twins will be able to decide if he will man one of those spots in 2014. Terry Ryan said that the pen was his second priority, and as such he makes a few moves. Being out of options, Delios Gurerra will be given every opportunity to man a spot, and he will receive it whether or not it is deserved. But the Twins will also seek reinforcements who are capable of striking out batters. Jason Grilli will come over on a 2 yr/4M deal from Pittsburg. While he is 35, he is still quite capable of striking out batters. Staying with age, they will also sign Joel Peralta to a 1yr/3M deal. These pitchers will add some Ks to the back of the pen for reasonable prices. Their bench will be strengthened by signing Jeff Keppinger to a 2yr/7M deal. Keppinger will rotate at the corners and occasional DH and essentially be their 10th starter/super utility guy. Lineup:C-Mauer - 23M1B-Morneau - 14M2B-Kelly Johnson - 2MSS-Stephen Drew - 2M3B - Plouffe - .5MRF - Willingham - 7MCF - Revere .5MLF - Parmalee .5MDH - Doumit 3.5M Total: 53M Pitching:SP-Diamond - .5MSP-Dan Haren - 12M (Angels cover 3M of his contract)SP- Marcum - 8MSP-Baker - 2MSP-Bedard - 3M RP-Swarzak - .5MRP-D. Guererra - .5MRP-Jason Grilli - 2MRP-Joel Peralta - 3MRP-Duensing - 1MRP-Burton - 1MCL-Perkins - 2.5M Total: 40.5 BenchU/MIF- Florimon - .5MU/CIF- Jeff Keppinger - 3.5MOF- Mastroianni - .5MC- Chris Herrman - .5M Total: 5MGrand total: 98.5M The end result is a swing for the fences type team. If everything breaks right, the Twins will find themselves in the thick of a penant race in 2013. Given that they are adding quite a few question marks, the likelihood of that is not as good as we'd like, but they have nice trade options to work with come the deadline should things not work out. Morneau will very likely be flipped for pitching help. The same can be said for Willingham, Johnson, Drew, or Peralta. With Arcia and Hicks in Rochester, one of these guys will likely be called up to replace Revere should he struggle. If Morneau or Willingham is traded, then one will be called up to move into the OF. Gibson and Hendricks will start in Rochester, but both will likely see time when the inevitable pitching injury strikes. This Twins team has much more depth as their minor league system should be able to provide a reasonable replacement for most roles.
Brandon Verified Member Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I already posted my thoughts herehttp://twinsdaily.com/entry.php?2080-Offseason-Community-Tailored-Exercise-from-the-Twins-Daily-2013-Offseason-Handbook here is the recapResign Baker to 1 year $4 million with incentives and option yearTrade Span to ATL for Hanson basically a wash in salary commitment (in offseason handbook i agree with this one)Sign Jackson to 4 year 53 millionSign Hawkins $2.5 million (Other options available Capps and others )Sign Inge $2 millionSign Gomes $1.5 millionMy math has us in the $94-$96 million ranges with this team. I do not think the Twins will do muh to address the IF. the waiver pick yesterday and maybe a minor league free agent.Lineup: CF Revere 2b Carroll C Mauer LF Willingham 1B Morneau DH Doumit3B Plouffe RF Parmelee SS Florimon/ Dozier Bench 3B -C-1B-2B Inge OF-1B-DH-PH Gomes OF- Pinch Runner Mastroianni IF Dozier/ Florimon/ Escobar SPJacksonBakerHansonDiamondGibson with Hendicks/ DeVries/ and Dedunno ready to go if needed. BullpenPerkinsBurtonHawkinsDeunsingBurnettSwarzakRobertson+ competition for last 1 or 2 spots
Shane Wahl Verified Member Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Anthony Slama for Dan Haren and 3 million bucks!!! I know Marmol is a joke, but he is better than Slama! Obviously I am not copying a blueprint spanning 4 blog posts, but the general idea (I still somehow don't have the handbook yet, even though the order seemingly went through about a month ago) is to not trade anybody on the MLB roster (other than Swarzak for Bigfoot) until the deadline at the earliest (unless someone for another team gets injured early and need a CF or 1B/DH), rotate Span, Revere, Willingham, Mauer, Doumit, Morneau, and Parmelee in 6 different positions, sign Marcum, Baker, and Jackson (Blanton may be a more likely substitute for Jackson, but it's MY world here, not the Twins), and I would add now that given the likelihood that Chris Herrmann will be in Rochester, I would probably sign a Rod Barajas for a few million bucks.
Shane Wahl Verified Member Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Note, given that it isn't clear who is playing first base for Boston next year and David Ortiz is a walking injury, Justin Morneau might be very attractive for Boston at some point in the season. If Boston pursues FA pitchers, they may be willing to part with a top pitching prospect or two lower ones.
kab21 Verified Member Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 The goal is to build both MLB and MiLB starting pitching depth as well as add a solid MI'er and RP'er. The Twins have money to spend but this plan will avoid tying up any money long term. It would be great to suggest signing Greinke but just about every Twins fan knows that isn't going to happen. I'm also operating under the assumption that my second FA target (Sanchez) will be getting CJ Wilson money (5/75). Another assumption is that the Twins won't land 4 starters in FA. It's pretty optimistic that the Twins will get Haren, Baker and Villanueva while trading for Delgado in my plan below. Target budget 95-100M #1 - Sign Haren for 2/24 with a vesting option. He's a potential #1/2 if he comes back healthy. If he doesn't then he comes off the books relatively quickly. Backup plan = Marcum for the same contract. I don't really understand why everyone thinks Marcum is going to get a 1/6 contract. He finished the season healthy and he's been really effective. #2 - Trade Span (grudgingly) - Target Shields, Hanson, Minor, Delgado, Cingrani, Corcino. You should be able to make something work with one of those 3 teams and get back a pretty good MLB/MiLB pitcher. I'll proceed with getting Delgado back in the plan below. #3 - Sign Baker to a 1/5M contract with 2 team options. I think this is going to happen and the important thing is not to get Baker cheaply this year but to lock him in for 2 additional seasons and give the team some stability. #4 - Look into the Villanueva/Feldman tier of pitchers as backups plans in case any of the above fall through although you could just sign one of these guys and use them as a swingman. Let's put Villanueva down for 2/7M. #5 - MI - Try to get Stephen Drew on a 2/11 contract with one team option. Maybe he returns to being an above average regular and if he doesn't it's not a long term contract. I'll assume that Scutaro will get overpaid this winter and list Yunel Escobar as a backup plan. He might be a jerk but he has a 1/5 contract with two team options. #6 - RP - Matt Lindstrom 2/7 - Pretty effective guy to add to the 7th/8th inning mix and give the Twins some solid depth. #7 - Try to dump Carroll if you can find any takers #8 - Start bringing up guys like Gibson, Hicks/Arcia in June/July Lineup:C-Mauer - 23M1B-Morneau - 14M2B- Dozier/Floriman - 500K - the other will be in RochSS-Stephen Drew - 5M3B - Plouffe - .5MRF - Willingham - 7MCF - Revere .5MLF - Parmalee .5MDH - Doumit 3.5M Total: 54.5M Pitching:SP-Diamond - .5MSP-Dan Haren - 12M SP- Baker - 5MSP- Villanueva - 3.5MSP- Delgado - 500KTotal: 21M RP- competition - 500KRP- competition - 500KRP- Fien - 500KRP- Lindstrom - 3.5MRP-Duensing - 1MRP-Burton - 1MCL-Perkins - 2.5M Total: 9.5 BenchU/MIF- Carroll - 3.75Mbench bat - possibly a guy like Chavez or someone else that can hit - 1MOF- Mastroianni - .5MC- Chris Herrman - .5MCapps buyout - .25M Total: 6MGrand total: 91.5M I still have some money to spend so perhaps I'll add a player or two. This also gives me some extra room in case any of the contracts are more than expected.
Badsmerf Verified Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Some of you guys are playing RBI Baseball lol. Its all in fun, so I'm not hating. Mine is much smaller. 1. Sign Baker. Make the contract work for both sides and move on.2. Sign Haren. My goal would be 3-35 with an option, he'll be looking for 4 but will have to compromise I think. 3. Upgrade the infield. I'd look at Drew, Keppinger first. The market is thin so not sure if anything will make sense. 4. Try to trade Span. I'm not sure what value he will have, but he should bring back some decent value.5. Take some fliers on guys with high upside (like Fien).6. Start Gibson and Baker with the Twins. This gives the Twins at least a chance to hang around until these two get back to form. If they throw scrubs out there for 2 months the season will be over again.... **** that. Baker is a vet and Gibson threw enough this season to be ready for next.
YourHouseIsMyHouse Provisional Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 1. Sign Shaun Marcum for 3 years/40 million (+13)2. Trade Denard Span for Something Cool (-4.75)3. Sign Kevin Youkilis 2 years/15 Million (+7.5)4. Sign Erik Bedard 1/3 Million (+3)5. Sign Rich Harden to incentives based deal (+4)6. Sign Scott Baker to incentives based deal (+4) Overall adding an estimated 26 3/4 million to the salary cap. I was somewhat generous with some of the salaries too. Because more or less, I expect that the Twins would have to overpay a little to have a chance at getting Youk, Marcum, and other FAs. I want to see a payroll in the 100-105 range since I think this is Joe Mauer's time and we have to get him a good team. I'm clearly in a win now mode. Depending upon how the 4 starting pitchers signed fare, one may be traded for middle infield or big power help if Gibson is knocking at the door at the deadline. They could be traded for prospects too if our record isn't good once again. I really value depth at starting pitching and it's obvious why. Morneau could also be traded at the deadline if we are failing to win in this situation for prospects. Hicks and Arcia brought in at their own pace by the way. Youkilis and Bedard have had really incredible careers, but have failed in 2012. These two are high risk, high reward players who have both played in the AL and can rebound here. I'd really like to try Plouffe at 2B again. Youk could also DH on occasion with Plouffe shifting back to third. Kevin is also right handed and might flourish in the way Willingham has. Quite a bit of versatility at the DH and in the infield. There is a ton of power and I LOVE IT!!! It will be even better if the aforementioned Hicks and Arcia can replace Revere in the everyday lineup and force Escobar off the 25 man. Note: The only free agent signed that might cost a draft pick would be Marcum if I'm correct. I'd say he's worth it. Ideal Lineup:Ben Revere CFJoe Mauer CJosh Willingham LFJustin Morneau 1BKevin Youkilis 3BRyan Doumit DHChris Parmelee RFTrevahhh Plouffe 2BJamey Carroll SS BE FlorimonBE MastroianniBE Escobar BE Herrmann SP MarcumSP DiamondSP BedardSP HardenSP Baker (In the wings) Kyle Gibson, Liam Hendriks, and Samuel Deduno RP DuensingRP FienRP BurtonRP Burnett* RP SwarzakRP RobertsonRP Perkins Note*: I favor both Oliveros and Devries over Burnett, but am unsure if he'd pass waivers until he inevitably sucks. (In the wings) Lester Oliveros, Pedro Hernandez, and Cole Devries Addition! I really wanted to do this. Estimated Dingers: 0 (BR11), 10 (JM7), 30 (JW), 25 (JM33), 20 (KY), 15 (RD18), 20 (CP27), 15 (TP24), 1 (JC8), 2 (DM19), 3 (PFJ25), 6 (CH23), 0 (EE5), 5 (Hicks/Arcia) Totaling...152HRs That puts the Twins at 18th by 2012 standards. Above the Braves at 149 and up from the 26th we actually saw.
johnnydakota Verified Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 my off season blue print....fire the 3 stooges,ok that aint happening , and unless ryan makes a splash landing a #1 or a #2 then no ones coming here unless there in witness protection program or over paid ...so its time to tear it down ..and maybe a few non roster invites with a st invite , say scott kazmir, brandon webb, jose veras and im sure there s a few more out there , liike brandon woods, as for targets i like a pair of pitchers out of pittsburg, cole and taillon , reds have cingriani and the speed freak hamilton, texas has some infield depth with profar and olt in waiting, also offering oswalty a decent incentive ladden contract to use as fodder come june or july might also pan out...basically with no splash or momentium , twins will find it hard to draw decent free agents so lets tear it down and rebuild including the no trade clause smokin joe camel
PseudoSABR Verified Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 1) Revere and Herrmann to Atlanta for Tommy Hanson. 2) Sign Chris Young to a two year 14 million deal, with a vesting option.3) Resign Scott Baker to a one year 6 million deal, with a vesting/team option.4) Sign Kelly Johnson to a two year 12 million dollar deal.5) Sign Mike Pelfry, Joey Devine, Randy Messenger, Casey McGehee and others to >2mil or minor league contracts. Rotation1) Hanson - 4.5?2) Young - 73) Baker - 64) Diamond - .55) Pelfry/Blackburn/Gibson/Hendricks -.5 Bullpen CL - Perkins - 2.5SU - Burton - 1SU - Duesing - 1RP - Devine - 1RP - Fien - .5RP - Guerra - .5RP - Burnett - .5RP - **** loads of minor league arms LineupCF - Span - 4.5C - Mauer - 23LF - Willingham - 71B - Morneau - 142B - Johnson - 6DH - Doumit - 33B - Plouffe - .5RF - Parmelee - .5SS - Florimon/Dozier - .5 BenchOF - Mastroianni - .5IF - Escobar - .5IF - Carroll - 3.75C - Drew - .5 ~90 million
Top Gun Provisional Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 No.1 signing Greinke to a 6 year deal,the only 20 game winner option out there. Why sign a 500 or less pitcher, it does not help theTwins future at all. Then build around your ace. Trading doesn't help, you just give up more than you get back and sets the team back farther.
kab21 Verified Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 2) Sign Chris Young to a two year 14 million deal, with a vesting option. Yikes!
Thegrin Verified Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Don't trade Morneau, Span, Willingham or anyone else. Sign Marcum and Haren. Twins win! Twins win!
PseudoSABR Verified Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 2) Sign Chris Young to a two year 14 million deal, with a vesting option. Yikes!I was trying to be realistic. The Twins would totally make a deal like this.
Badsmerf Verified Member Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 No.1 signing Greinke to a 6 year deal,the only 20 game winner option out there. Why sign a 500 or less pitcher, it does not help theTwins future at all. Then build around your ace. Trading doesn't help, you just give up more than you get back and sets the team back farther.I think Haren is a good option to Greinke. The Angels are going to overpay him so I'm going for the next best guy.
johnnydakota Verified Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 personally i dont think straddeling the fence like the twins do is the answer , it olny gives you a case of blue balls, why spend 100 million to be the 2nd worst team in the american leaque(hustons coming)so either kick up payroll 33%or or cut it downs to about 50 and start rebuilding,id trade ham for a couple of pitching prospects then replace some of his power by letting the angels pay us to let wells play her for the next 2 years , basically ushering in our next crop of outfielders,then id trade mauer and morneau to texas for profar or elvis and olt then trade span,florimon,hernandez and hermsen to the reds for cingriani and hamilton,id also look into offering 4 pitchers invites to s.t as non roster invitees brandon webb, scott kazmir, jaokim soria, and jose veras, hoping to find 1 or 2 of them can step back into there old selfs and become july trade bait to help restoke a very sad upper minor leaque
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 2) Sign Chris Young to a two year 14 million deal, with a vesting option. Yikes!I was trying to be realistic. The Twins would totally make a deal like this. Christopher Ryan Young or Christopher Brandon Young?
YourHouseIsMyHouse Provisional Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Pretty sure it's Ryan since he appears in the rotation. I wouldn't spend that much on a 33 year old in a pitcher's market.
YourHouseIsMyHouse Provisional Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 1. Sign Mark DeRosa to a minor league contract.2. Trade Rosario+another prospect or two to the Marlins for Josh Johnson, sign Johnson to a 4 year/ 75 mil extension.3. Sign Kelly Johnson 2 years/11 mil4. Sign Eric Chavez 1 year, 1.25 mil.5. Sign Scott Baker 1 year, 3 mil base, up to 2.5 mil in incentives for IP6. Trade Denard Span+ Hendriks+ C+ prospect to TB for James Shields.7. Sign Liriano to a 1 year 4.2 mil deal Rotation:ShieldsJohnsonBakerDiamondGibson/Liriano Roster:C: Mauer1B: Morneau2B: JohnsonSS: Dozier/Carroll3B: Plouffe Chavez as a back upLF: WillinghamCF: RevereRF:ParmeleeDH: Doumit Bullpen:CL: PerkinsSU: BurtonLOOGY: DuensingMRP: FienMRP: GuerraMRP: Liriano? Kelly Johnson is going to pitch AND play 2nd base? Now that's what I call value! That rotation makes me a little nauseated by the way.
SDTwinsFan Provisional Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I really like the idea of bringing in Ryan Roberts and Stephen Drew. Neither are huge moves, but could really bolster the IF situation. I'm holding out hope that Terry Ryan finds somebody of value for some of our outfield talent, but I am realistic, too, and realize that Scott Baker will probably be the best SP we get this offseason.
ThePuck Provisional Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 'Kelly Johnson is going to pitch AND play 2nd base? Now that's what I call value! That rotation makes me a little nauseated by the way. ' That Johnson in the rotation is the one from Miami...Josh Johnson. It's stated in move #2. Reading is fundamental
Lonestar Verified Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I see that a few people have posted their own blueprints for the Twins' offseason, either on the forum or in a blog post, and that's great. But I thought it would create a thread where we can collect everyone's takes in one place and get a look at the various directions people think the club should go this winter. Please feel free to post your suggested course for the Terry Ryan and the front office below, whether it's aimed at getting the team back to contention in 2013 or starting a more long-term rebuilding effort. Include any moves you'd make, your projected 25-man Opening Day roster and a projected payroll. If you have one, use your Offseason Handbook to identify free agents and trade targets, and fill in financial details.There are a lot of great ideas here. The problem is that don't generate as much commenting as they would if each had their own thread. Also, it makes referring to a plan problematical. Is there a way to systematize this next year -- like have each thread in the forum styled something like:2013 Off-Season Blueprint - Lonestar
johnnydakota Verified Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 first off aint no free agent of quality coming to twinkietown unless ryan makes a bold move first..if the twins traded for shields or johnson , or better yet both, then targeted anibal sanchez ,even to the point of over paying him we have the making of a very decent rotation ,why target sanchez? well we take away from the tigers and add to the twins a two fold gain...
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I see that a few people have posted their own blueprints for the Twins' offseason, either on the forum or in a blog post, and that's great. But I thought it would create a thread where we can collect everyone's takes in one place and get a look at the various directions people think the club should go this winter. Please feel free to post your suggested course for the Terry Ryan and the front office below, whether it's aimed at getting the team back to contention in 2013 or starting a more long-term rebuilding effort. Include any moves you'd make, your projected 25-man Opening Day roster and a projected payroll. If you have one, use your Offseason Handbook to identify free agents and trade targets, and fill in financial details.There are a lot of great ideas here. The problem is that don't generate as much commenting as they would if each had their own thread. Also, it makes referring to a plan problematical. Is there a way to systematize this next year -- like have each thread in the forum styled something like:2013 Off-Season Blueprint - Lonestar We've talked about something like this and it is up for consideration next offseason. We could do some pretty cool stuff with the idea depending on how the site framework lets me manipulate that sort of thing and auto-generate the blueprints.
YourHouseIsMyHouse Provisional Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 'Kelly Johnson is going to pitch AND play 2nd base? Now that's what I call value! That rotation makes me a little nauseated by the way. ' That Johnson in the rotation is the one from Miami...Josh Johnson. It's stated in move #2. Reading is fundamental *sarcasm
Han Joelo Verified Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Keep in mind I'm wearing rose tinted glasses and drinking Kool-Aid. 1. Trade Revere and Parmalee for Shields. If you could fuse the two of them together, they'd make a great player. Nonetheless, I'd wager that combined they'll be worth more than double the Career War of Aaron Hicks...2. Trade Hicks for Elvis Andrus. With Maestro and Benson near ready as at least defensive CFers, and Buxton and maybe Rosario in the pipeline, trade high on Hicks.3. Sign Haren for 3/33$ or something4. Bring back Baker. 5. Spread a wide net for veteran SP on the rebound, starting with Pavano, Bedard, et. al.Done and done. Haren and Shields seem to profile as classic Morris/Radke/Pavano type bulldog/gritty/workhorse guys. Lineup intact with a solid addition of Andrus. Rotation bolstered.
DAM DC Twins Fans Provisional Member Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I believe the Twins can contend in 2014 and that is what I am working towards... First--go after Grienke or Haren (odds are we wont get them) but try--3 years $50-60 million.Second--trade Span/revere (and whatever else you need) for Hansen/Shields (may overpay but we need top starter)Third--avoid rest of free agents (Maholm, Jackson, etc. no better than what we have) unless they agree to one-year deal less than $8 million.Fourth--sign Baker/Pavano (only one) to cheap contract with incentives.Fifth--give spring training shots to Dozier, Florimon, Hicks, Arcia, Gibson, Hendricks, etc. Let them grow in majors.Sixth--trade Morneau, Willingham for prospects and put Parmalee at 1B
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