Trade Target: Ken Giles

[Jham]

It's pretty clear after the last 3 games that the Blue Jays don't really need a closer, like at all.

 

Giles is still under his rookie deal earning $6.3 mil this season and arb eligible for 2020, his age 29 season, as well. His whip is 1.1. 13k/9. 90% stand rate bolsters his 1.79 Fip. avg 97.4 on his fastball, 87 on slider per fangraphs.

 

Jays save money, and likely want prospects and or major league ready pitching. Romero plus seems reasonable to me.

 

What would Giles take? Should we be interested?

[PseudoSABR]

I wouldn't give up Romero for Giles.  But it'd be interested in acquiring him.

[Vanimal46]

I like this target as well. Not sure if Toronto thinks they're just starting the rebuild and want A ball players. Or if they want to retool and seek MLB-ready prospects for 2020.

 

If it's the former I'd offer Enlow + another prospect or 2.

 

If it's the latter I'd offer Thorpe + another prospect or 2.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Even a rebuilding Toronto will probably want MLB ready pitching. Those guys can get developed and then flipped for better prospects later on while taking their lumps helping a team tank. I'd definitely be willing to dangle some of our AAA pitching if they were interested. There's plenty of lower level guys I'd dangle as well.  

 

My guess though is that this would be a similar cost to what we got out of Pressly. Similar years/age/etc. 

[USAFChief]

 

Even a rebuilding Toronto will probably want MLB ready pitching. Those guys can get developed and then flipped for better prospects later on while taking their lumps helping a team tank. I'd definitely be willing to dangle some of our AAA pitching if they were interested. There's plenty of lower level guys I'd dangle as well.  

 

My guess though is that this would be a similar cost to what we got out of Pressly. Similar years/age/etc. 

OK. trade the two stiffs we got for Pressly.

[BK432]

 

I like this target as well. Not sure if Toronto thinks they're just starting the rebuild and want A ball players. Or if they want to retool and seek MLB-ready prospects for 2020.

If it's the former I'd offer Enlow + another prospect or 2.

If it's the latter I'd offer Thorpe + another prospect or 2.

 

This is about where I come in as well. Good target, the kind of guy I hope they add later this summer.

[prouster]

Here's a space where people can talk about the Pressley trade: http://twinsdaily.com/topic/33000-trades-from-previous-seasons/.

 

If this thread also gets taken over by that same old discussion I'm going to use every new thread to workshop portions of my screenplay.

[USAFChief]

 

Here's a space where people can talk about the Pressley trade: http://twinsdaily.com/topic/33000-trades-from-previous-seasons/.

 

If this thread also gets taken over by that same old discussion I'm going to use every new thread to workshop portions of my screenplay.

It's a serious post. I'm told we were blown away by the offer of the Pressly trade. Use that to acquire Giles.

[KirbyDome89]

It'd be poetic if the Twins traded Alcala and Celestino for Giles, as that was exactly what it cost Houston to replace him last summer. 

[Jham]

It's a serious post. I'm told we were blown away by the offer of the Pressly trade. Use that to acquire Giles.

Unfortunately, I think Giles is a bigger name with longer track record of success than Pres. I think he'd command a more expensive prospect package. A bitter pill since Presley is likely the better pitcher. I think you agree if I read your Presley thesis posted on the other thread correctly. Trades have consequences.

[Jham]

It'd be poetic if the Twins traded Alcala and Celestino for Giles, as that was exactly what it cost Houston to replace him last summer.

Well, they also gave up 2 toppish prospects to get Osuna. Quite the Carousel that would make...

[prouster]

 

It's a serious post. I'm told we were blown away by the offer of the Pressly trade. Use that to acquire Giles.

 

I don't doubt that you're being serious. My gripe is that it's the same point you and a few others have made many times on numerous threads. We already know your opinion. But the trade happened. There's a place to discuss it if you wish to do so without taking over every thread.

[TFRazor]

 

OK. trade the two stiffs we got for Pressly.

I second this motion. All in favor?

[Vanimal46]

I don't doubt that you're being serious. My gripe is that it's the same point you and a few others have made many times on numerous threads. We already know your opinion. But the trade happened. There's a place to discuss it if you wish to do so without taking over every thread.

Wait... Who's the moderator here?

 

[nicksaviking]

I'd guess Giles publicly known personality and attitude problems would have caused the prior regime to have no interest in him. I'm not sure if this new one puts as much stock into "chemistry" and what not.

 

I'd be interested in Giles, but with what appears to be significant inconsistency (on the mound, I care less about "chemistry") I don't know that I'm as head-over-heels for him as some are. More luke-warm; this guy's always been Jekyll and Hyde.

 

Call me crazy, but I'd probably be more interested in someone like Sean Doolittle, who has proven to be quite consistent across different teams and different leagues. Mark me down for Raisel Iglesias as well if the Reds throw in the towel.

[USAFChief]

 

I'd guess Giles publicly known personality and attitude problems would have caused the prior regime to have no interest in him. I'm not sure if this new one puts as much stock into "chemistry" and what not.

 

I'd be interested in Giles, but with what appears to be significant inconsistency (on the mound, I care less about "chemistry") I don't know that I'm as head-over-heels for him as some are. More luke-warm, this guy's always been Jekyll and Hyde.

 

Call me crazy, but I'd probably be more interested in someone like Sean Doolittle, who has proven to be quite consistent across different teams and different leagues. Mark me down for Raisel Iglesias as well if the Reds throw in the towel.

I don't think Giles has been inconsistent, other than ERA. And ERA isn't a great way to evaluate relievers, IMO.

 

He's got control, high K rates, low hit rates. Save conversion rate over 90 percent.

 

We could use him at the back end of the pen.

[prouster]

Wait... Who's the moderator here?

 

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Who moderates the moderators???

[ashbury]

I don't think Giles has been inconsistent, other than ERA. And ERA isn't a great way to evaluate relievers, IMO.

Is getting demoted to AAA after another bad outing, and then getting traded, a valid way to evaluate consistency?

[USAFChief]

 

Is getting demoted to AAA after another bad outing, and then getting traded, a valid way to evaluate consistency?

Well, maybe, but Giles went to AAA (and was traded) more for uttering a few choice words to AJ Hinch when being removed from a game than for performance.

 

Some might consider that a reason not to acquire him, which I can respect, but I disagree.

[ashbury]

Well, maybe, but Giles went to AAA (and was traded) more for uttering a few choice words to AJ Hinch

"Aw, ya shouldn't oughta have gone and called me inconsistent, Skip."

 

I didn't recall anything about him wearing out his welcome in Houston, but it's remarkable what Google sometimes turns up when you search a player's name and include "clubhouse cancer" in the string.

 

Hard pass, I think.

[nicksaviking]

 

"Aw, ya shouldn't oughta have gone and called me inconsistent, Skip."

 

I didn't recall anything about him wearing out his welcome in Houston, but it's remarkable what Google sometimes turns up when you search a player's name and include "clubhouse cancer" in the string.

 

Hard pass, I think.

 

Yeah, I threw quotation marks around the word chemistry in my above post. After doing a bit of Googling myself I retract them so as the word does not appear to be used sarcastically. 

 

As a guy who prefers production over clubhouse compatibility 95% of the time, Giles is getting that 5% exception. That perhaps should have been clear after recalling the Astros preferred a guy suspended for domestic abuse to Giles.

 

Though I don't wish him ill because some of the things I'm reading make it seem like he might legitimately need help.

[drivlikejehu]

One person with the wrong attitude can have a negative impact on the larger group, whether it's in an office environment or an MLB team. It's just not worth it.

[stringer bell]

I have a hard time passing judgment on a player based on their one worst moment. If there is a pattern, that is a different matter altogether.

[nicksaviking]

 

One person with the wrong attitude can have a negative impact on the larger group, whether it's in an office environment or an MLB team. It's just not worth it.

 

I'd like to think a large group with a right attitude would be able to absorb and alter the negative attitude. 

 

But the team is winning and Giles sounds like a particularly troublesome case study, so I wouldn't care to roll the dice on him. Maybe if I thought more of him as a player.