26th Man Starter?

[IndianaTwin]

Has there been any announcement/discussion as to who will get the 26th-man job for the doubleheader June 5?

 

Here's what I'm seeing in Rochester:

• May 29: Gonsalves
• May 30: Slegers
• May 31: Enns
• June 1: May
• June 2: Littell
• June 3: Gonsalves
• June 4: Off day
• June 5: (Would be Slegers if staying in order, though Enns would be able to go on his normal five-day rotation.)

 

 

[jtkoupal]

Have to imagine that Slegers gets the call over Enns. 

 

In any case, that would be the perfect opportunity for bull-penning. I know Molitor won't do that, but calling up a minor league starter would be the perfect opportunity to join the revolution even if only for a day.

 

Start the game with Hildenberger. Then bring in your call-up to face NO MORE THAN 18 batters. Then mix & match from there. 

[Nine of twelve]

The doubleheader on June 5 means 7 games in 6 days. The team will need a sixth starter at some point so it makes sense to make the 26th player a starting pitcher. I'd bet $100 it will be Slegers unless other circumstances arise, such as injury or rain-out.

[lecroy24fan]

Enns is no longer on the 40 man so it won't be him.

[Squirrel]

I’m guessing Slegers. May isn’t ready, and besides, if he were they’d likely make a permanent spot for him. And I think they think it’s too soon for Gonsalves and it doesn’t work out with the rotation in Rochester anyway. So, Slegers it will be.

[Nine of twelve]

As has been pointed out, Enns is not on the 40-man. Neither is May, who is still on the 60-day DL. Castro is still on the 10-day DL so he could be moved to the 60-day to make room but I'd guess Falvine would rather hold off for now to make room for May later or to allow for another waiver acquisition if one comes along.

[nicksaviking]

I'd guess Slegers as well, but they did surprise us with Romero much earlier than we expected. Maybe they'd break the seal on Gonsalves.

 

I wouldn't think bullpenning would be the choice since there isn't a traditional long man in the pen.

[RatherBeGolfing]

 

 

I wouldn't think bullpenning would be the choice since there isn't a traditional long man in the pen.

 

Damn! We dealt Phil too early! 

[Nine of twelve]

If Rochester loses a game to a rain-out Gonsalves would be in line. Or they could hold him out of his start on Sunday. I'd like to see what he can do and it wouldn't hurt the rotation to have at least one lefty. Even though I think it will be Slegers I'm hoping for Gonsalves.

[ThejacKmp]

 

As has been pointed out, Enns is not on the 40-man. Neither is May, who is still on the 60-day DL. Castro is still on the 10-day DL so he could be moved to the 60-day to make room but I'd guess Falvine would rather hold off for now to make room for May later or to allow for another waiver acquisition if one comes along.

 

What is the benefit of not moving Castro to the 60-Day DL? He's not going to come back in 60 days. Do teams have to fill the 40 man in a set amount of time or can they carry 38 or 39 indefinitely?

[Mr. Brooks]

What is the benefit of not moving Castro to the 60-Day DL? He's not going to come back in 60 days. Do teams have to fill the 40 man in a set amount of time or can they carry 38 or 39 indefinitely?

40 is the maximum roster size.

There is no minimum.

[Mike Sixel]

I'm guessing Slegers also.But that is a guess.

[ThejacKmp]

 

40 is the maximum roster size.
There is no minimum.

 

So why not move Castro to the 60 day DL and free up a place? There's no incentive to waiting and its not like his knee is going to suddenly heal overnight. What reason for the delay?

[Mr. Brooks]

So why not move Castro to the 60 day DL and free up a place? There's no incentive to waiting and its not like his knee is going to suddenly heal overnight. What reason for the delay?

Because there is also no incentive to doing it before you need to.

Free up a place for what? Guys on the 40 man earn more money, so they aren't going to arbitrarily add someone just because they have an opening.

When they need to add someone, that's when they'll free up the spot.

[Sssuperdave]

 

Because there is also no incentive to doing it before you need to.
Free up a place for what? Guys on the 40 man earn more money, so they aren't going to arbitrarily add someone just because they have an opening.
When they need to add someone, that's when they'll free up the spot.

Yes, and they will also need 2 spots on the 40 man in the somewhat near future for each of May and Santana.  If you put someone else on the 40 like Enns you might need to turn around and waive them to get May or Santana on the roster.

[ThejacKmp]

 

Because there is also no incentive to doing it before you need to.
Free up a place for what? Guys on the 40 man earn more money, so they aren't going to arbitrarily add someone just because they have an opening.
When they need to add someone, that's when they'll free up the spot.

 

But there's also no incentive not to. They don't have to add someone. They can move Castro to the 60 Day DL and then wait until they need that spot. I don't get waiting on it, you know you're going to need it eventually. I'd get it if it was a guy who might be back in 45 days if something crazy happens but Castro 100% will not play this year. Why not move him and get the spot open? I keep thinking there must be some reason not to but I don't know.

[ThejacKmp]

 

Yes, and they will also need 2 spots on the 40 man in the somewhat near future for each of May and Santana.  If you put someone else on the 40 like Enns you might need to turn around and waive them to get May or Santana on the roster.

But again, they don't have to add someone. They can move Castro and leave it at 39, waiting for May/Santana.

[Otto von Ballpark]

What is the benefit of not moving Castro to the 60-Day DL? He's not going to come back in 60 days. Do teams have to fill the 40 man in a set amount of time or can they carry 38 or 39 indefinitely?

What is the benefit of putting him on the 60-day DL before you need the spot? It is not like there is a processing delay, they can 60-day DL immediately when the need arises.

 

I know you can't put a player on the 60-day DL unless the 40-man roster is otherwise full. I think that is the only applicable retriction here. (Also, after August 31, a player placed on the 60-day DL must be replaced immediately.)

 

https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3538

 

I guess it could come up if, say, a pitcher got hurt tomorrow, and insurance would kick in if the pitcher went on the 60-day DL. But if the Twins already had Castro on the 60-day DL, and the roster was no longer full at 39, they couldn't 60-day DL the pitcher unless they added someone else to roster first, which they may not be prepared to do. (I suppose they could add some random guy just to take a spot for a while.)

 

I don't know if that is a reason, but in any case, teams don't seem to use the 60-day DL unless they have a corresponding transaction ready.

[Doomtints]

It doesn't matter.  They can call someone up if he's on the 10-day DL too, right?

[ThejacKmp]

 

What is the benefit of putting him on the 60-day DL before you need the spot? It is not like there is a processing delay, they can 60-day DL immediately when the need arises.

I know you can't put a player on the 60-day DL unless the 40-man roster is otherwise full. I think that is the only applicable retriction here. (Also, after August 31, a player placed on the 60-day DL must be replaced immediately.)

https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3538

I guess it could come up if, say, a pitcher got hurt tomorrow, and insurance would kick in if the pitcher went on the 60-day DL. But if the Twins already had Castro on the 60-day DL, and the roster was no longer full at 39, they couldn't 60-day DL the pitcher unless they added someone else to roster first, which they may not be prepared to do. (I suppose they could add some random guy just to take a spot for a while.)

I don't know if that is a reason, but in any case, teams don't seem to use the 60-day DL unless they have a corresponding transaction ready.

 

This makes some sense. Though I wonder what Twins pitchers have insurance. I'd think only Santana and not even then. Maybe Mauer?

 

It does seem, like you said, that if that unlikely situation arose you could just get some organizational fodder, add them to the 40 for a day (nice bonus for them), get up to 40 and then do the necessary moves before dropping that guy no other organization would want. And who cares about his options or whatever.

 

I think you're right that it comes down to a style thing: Why Do It Until Forced To? vs. Why Create Work Later When Its Obvious What You Do Now? I just wondered if there was some larger concept at play that I don't get.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I think you're right that it comes down to a style thing: Why Do It Until Forced To? vs. Why Create Work Later When Its Obvious What You Do Now? I just wondered if there was some larger concept at play that I don't get.

It's not really any more work later. Heck, maybe they can activate May and put Castro on the 60-day DL in a single fax!

 

Could be showing your hand too. If you 60-day DL Castro now, and your roster sits at 39, maybe it looks like you're more willing to claim a guy off waivers in the meantime and another team might be less likely to try sneaking someone through? As opposed to, if you leave your roster at 40, other teams might just assume Castro is holding a spot for Trevor May.

 

Not a significant advantage at all, everyone and his dog knows that Castro could go on the 60-day DL at any time, but in a sport where batters believe they gain control by adjusting their batting gloves between every pitch, it doesn't have to be a significant advantage to convince someone to do it!

[Squirrel]

We’re getting a bit off topic here. Starting a thread discussing these issues of when to move/add players would make for a separate thread. For now the primary discussion here is who we think will be the 26th man for the double header on June 5.

[ThejacKmp]

 

It's not really any more work later. Heck, maybe they can activate May and put Castro on the 60-day DL in a single fax!

Could be showing your hand too. If you 60-day DL Castro now, and your roster sits at 39, maybe it looks like you're more willing to claim a guy off waivers in the meantime and another team might be less likely to try sneaking someone through? As opposed to, if you leave your roster at 40, other teams might just assume Castro is holding a spot for Trevor May.

Not a significant advantage at all, everyone and his dog knows that Castro could go on the 60-day DL at any time, but in a sport where batters believe they gain control by adjusting their batting gloves between every pitch, it doesn't have to be a significant advantage to convince someone to do it!

 

I like that idea. Agreed that everyone and his dog knows you have an empty spot but the idea someone might forget is enough of a reason to delay. well done.

[ThejacKmp]

 

We’re getting a bit off topic here. Starting a thread discussing these issues of when to move/add players would make for a separate thread. For now the primary discussion here is who we think will be the 26th man for the double header on June 5.

 

Yeah but that 26th man topic was over pretty quick. Not a lot to debate:

 

Almost certainly Slegers, Gonsalves is a possibility if Rochester gets rained out at some point. Most people wish it was Gonsalves but are not upset about Slegers because he's pitching well and its one game.

Sometimes the journey off topic changes the thread in a good way. This one seems a welcome change and not at all acrimonious. Just online friends sharing ideas. God bless the internet.

 

[Nine of twelve]

It doesn't matter.  They can call someone up if he's on the 10-day DL too, right?

It matters if that someone is not currently on the 40-man.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

It matters if that someone is not currently on the 40-man.

minor league DL is 7 days. 10 day DL has to be on 40 man

[IndianaTwin]

I posted a version of this question in the Game Thread, but it was in the middle of the frivolity of the comeback and nobody answered. Anybody know the answer?

 

There is general agreement that with being originally scheduled in Rochester, Slegers was the likely call-up for the DH next Tuesday.

 

Until last night's marathon, however. Instead, Slegers got called up and pitched well tonight. So here's my question: 

 

If Mauer was activated and Slegers sent down in the next couple days, Slegers would normally have to be down 10 days. But didn't I read somewhere that a player in his situation CAN be used as the 26th man, sent back down, and have his 10-day requirement picked up from that spot?

 

If so, this seems like a brilliant move. 

[Tuba]

 

I posted a version of this question in the Game Thread, but it was in the middle of the frivolity of the comeback and nobody answered. Anybody know the answer?

 

There is general agreement that with being originally scheduled in Rochester, Slegers was the likely call-up for the DH next Tuesday.

 

Until last night's marathon, however. Instead, Slegers got called up and pitched well tonight. So here's my question: 

 

If Mauer was activated and Slegers sent down in the next couple days, Slegers would normally have to be down 10 days. But didn't I read somewhere that a player in his situation CAN be used as the 26th man, sent back down, and have his 10-day requirement picked up from that spot?

 

If so, this seems like a brilliant move. 

 

Better yet the ten day clock doesn't even reset, the days before the call up still count:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/26th_Man_Rule

 

[IndianaTwin]

 

Better yet the ten day clock doesn't even reset, the days before the call up still count:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/26th_Man_Rule

 

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say with "picked up from that spot." Thanks for confirming. 

 

It will be interesting to see if that's where they end up. 

[Oldgoat_MN]

 

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There is general agreement that with being originally scheduled in Rochester, Slegers was the likely call-up for the DH next Tuesday.

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I doubt very much that Slegers will be called upon to be the Designated Hitter next Tuesday.