Girardi Out as Yankees Manager

[Loosey]

I'm somewhat surprised by this, but Girardi and the Yankees have agreed to part ways.  They are spinning it as a mutual agreement.  

 

I assume this is the truth since the Yankees weren't supposed to make the next step competitively for a year or so and ended up making it to the ALCS this year.  Also, there really are no candidates known of yet.

 

But really think about this from a Twins fans perspective:  The team that won the AL EAST lets their manager go, and the Wild Card Team from the East and made it to the ALCS let their manager go.

 

The expectations for winning are much higher in Boston and New York than they are here.  The Twins fire their A+ manager after a winning a season and much of the fan base gets upset with the Front Office.  What would happen here if a manger of Girardi's pedigree left after an ALCS?  

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21166583/joe-girardi-not-returning-manager-new-york-yankees

 

[Vanimal46]

Wow, didn't expect this one to happen. 

[Mike Sixel]

I don't think Girardi was the "problem" there....but your point that MN sports' fans have much lower expectations is true. That's what the team has been saying for years, and if you say stuff long enough, people believe it.

[Thrylos]

He'd make an excellent bench coach for a team like the Twins while waiting for the new round of openings next season

[Vanimal46]

The Nationals job is still open. Though I'm not sure how appealing of a job that is anymore when Bryce Harper is on the way out, and several of their back-loaded contracts about to kick in.  

[Mike Sixel]

I will say, craig C on nbcsports has a good writeup on this.....and how you can look at both sides...

[Mike Sixel]

 

The Nationals job is still open. Though I'm not sure how appealing of a job that is anymore when Bryce Harper is on the way out, and several of their back-loaded contracts about to kick in.  

 

there are 30 managerial jobs......if you want to be a manager, they are all good jobs.

[Vanimal46]

 

there are 30 managerial jobs......if you want to be a manager, they are all good jobs.

 

True... But we both know there are certain jobs that are better than others in the MLB. He had the highest pressure for the most part dealing with the media, WS expectations, etc. He also benefited from a large market, large payroll, and a GM who isn't afraid to trade legit prospects for MLB help when they're in contention. 

 

I couldn't see him going to a small market team like Cincinnati for example. He may take the Washington job, or maybe he holds out for a year waiting for another big market job to open up. 

[Winston Smith]

 

The Nationals job is still open. Though I'm not sure how appealing of a job that is anymore when Bryce Harper is on the way out, and several of their back-loaded contracts about to kick in.  

I don't think the problem there is the players but it's the owner. Still a very good team even after Harper leaves, imo.

[Mike Sixel]

 

True... But we both know there are certain jobs that are better than others in the MLB. He had the highest pressure for the most part dealing with the media, WS expectations, etc. He also benefited from a large market, large payroll, and a GM who isn't afraid to trade legit prospects for MLB help when they're in contention. 

 

I couldn't see him going to a small market team like Cincinnati for example. He may take the Washington job, or maybe he holds out for a year waiting for another big market job to open up. 

 

Much of his tenure was with meh to bad old players, like Tex and others. And, the Yankees have largely not spent big to get back to great. So I think Joe is undersold in his work....

[Winston Smith]

I bet the Yankees are sorry they didn't snap up Gardy before the Tigers got him. 

[beckmt]

I think the Yankees take a step back next year in their effort to get under the luxury tax cap.  Their starting pitching could be bad and they may well lose a bullpen pitcher or two.  Joe might have felt that without more spending he would be out after next year and just got out now.

[gunnarthor]

I always thought he was a pretty bad manager considering what he was given.

 

And it's not like Boston fired their manager or NYY fired Girardi based on just one year. Both managers were given plum jobs with all the resources imaginable and underperformed repeatedly for years.  I don't like Molitor and I think we should have moved on but the situation here is not remotely comparable to the situations in NY and Boston and disingenuous to suggest Bos/NY are moving on when they don't win a WS.  Molitor was kept b/c his team overperformed by pretty much every possible measure. (Again, I want him gone). Girardi was fired because he was given over a billion dollars in payroll over the years and failed to win.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I always thought he was a pretty bad manager considering what he was given.

 

And it's not like Boston fired their manager or NYY fired Girardi based on just one year. Both managers were given plum jobs with all the resources imaginable and underperformed repeatedly for years.  I don't like Molitor and I think we should have moved on but the situation here is not remotely comparable to the situations in NY and Boston and disingenuous to suggest Bos/NY are moving on when they don't win a WS.  Molitor was kept b/c his team overperformed by pretty much every possible measure. (Again, I want him gone). Girardi was fired because he was given over a billion dollars in payroll over the years and failed to win.

 

You are arguing having Tex, who couldn't walk, ARod, who wasn't playing, Jeter who couldn't field or hit, and other dinosaurs was a good thing? I don't think the Yankees are who you think they are, anymore.

 

the sold last year, and almost made the wild card. They were not supposed to contend this year, as it was a youth movement year, and they beat the Twins in the playoffs.

[hybridbear]

Why couldn't Falvey & Levine have waited to make a decision on Molitor. I'd much rather have Girardi managing the Twins that Molitor! The Tigers may be kicking themselves right now, too, over having signed Gardy to a contract when Girardi becomes available a short time later.

[nicksaviking]

I don't think any of these firings necessarily indicate the organizations were dissatisfied with the managers, it could simply be that they think they can get a superior one. It's not like the Yankees were dissatisfied with John Wetland, Tino Martinez or Alphonso Soriano, they just saw upgrades available in Mariano Rivera, Jason Guambi and Alex Rodriguez.

 

I'd like to think the Twins look at the big picture and search for places to upgrade instead of narrowly focusing at their immediate situation and simply evaluate if someone deserves to keep their job.

[ericchri]

A 10-year run as manager of the Yankees is pretty impressive, honestly.  I could see why both he and the team would be ready to try something else, though.

[drjim]

It doesn't seem especially clear that the Yanks and Nats can do better than what they have. With the teams ready to roll going into the season, and the Nats seemingly especially desperate, these moves seem like a big risk with questionable upside.

[Mr. Brooks]

It doesn't seem especially clear that the Yanks and Nats can do better than what they have. With the teams ready to roll going into the season, and the Nats seemingly especially desperate, these moves seem like a big risk with questionable upside.

Not sure what the risk is for MY.

They have zero interest in regular season wins, it's WS or bust, which Girardi wasn't doing.

The worst that could happen is not much different than whats been happening.

[drjim]

Not sure what the risk is for MY.

They have zero interest in regular season wins, it's WS or bust, which Girardi wasn't doing.

The worst that could happen is not much different than whats been happening.

I could easily imagine a scenario where it goes sideways with the wrong manager.

[Mr. Brooks]

I could easily imagine a scenario where it goes sideways with the wrong manager.

But my point is, the net result wouldn't be much different.

I honestly believe that the Bronx is the one place where regular season success means nothing.

[drjim]

But my point is, the net result wouldn't be much different.

I honestly believe that the Bronx is the one place where regular season success means nothing.

That's true in the sense that it's basically taken for granted and there hasn't been a sub 500 season in 2 decades.

 

They likely have enough talent that it shouldn't be a problem next year.

[Mr. Brooks]

That's true in the sense that it's basically taken for granted and there hasn't been a sub 500 season in 2 decades.

 

They likely have enough talent that it shouldn't be a problem next year.

And with their resources, that's never going to change, no matter who the manager is.

They expect a WS title every 3 to 4 years.

May not be fair or realistic, but that's the expectation.

[Bark's Lounge]

I have a lot of respect for Girardi. He was at the helm in 2009 when the Yanks won the WS. The last handful of years I thought he did pretty well given that he had some flawed rosters and a lot of drama. For the most part, I thought he was able to fit a circle peg into a square hole. I thought his squad overachieved this year. Saying that, I don't know the NY state of mind baseball wise and maybe there are things behind the scenes that were dysfunctional.

 

He won't have any problem landing a managerial job again if one is open.

[old nurse]

 

But my point is, the net result wouldn't be much different.
I honestly believe that the Bronx is the one place where regular season success means nothing.

John Farrell and Dusty Baker would agree this year. Davey Johnson  Terry Collins, maybe even Ron Washington would think you are right  

[Old Twins Cap]

Strikes me that NY must have someone in mind before they would let Girardi go.

 

He was calm in a storm, and it storms a lot in NY City.

 

Who could they have in mind?

[Kwak]

...and then there is Girardi just wants a break. Change can be invigorating. Plus, how many years can go by with LA not winning the series before they make a change?

[Loosey]

Well news came out that the Yankees decided not to bring him back and it wasn't as mutual as first reported.  One rumor being that Girardi lacked a "human element".

 

 

[old nurse]

 

Well news came out that the Yankees decided not to bring him back and it wasn't as mutual as first reported.  One rumor being that Girardi lacked a "human element".

Baseball by analytics de-emphasizes a human element is involved in the game.

[gunnarthor]

 

You are arguing having Tex, who couldn't walk, ARod, who wasn't playing, Jeter who couldn't field or hit, and other dinosaurs was a good thing? I don't think the Yankees are who you think they are, anymore.

 

the sold last year, and almost made the wild card. They were not supposed to contend this year, as it was a youth movement year, and they beat the Twins in the playoffs.

All three of those guys were a lot better at the end than you remember. Tex gave them a 144 OPS+, 4 WAR season for them in his second to last year. I don't see how anyone can look at the last decade of Yankees baseball and not think they underachieved. He had the #1 or #2 payroll every year. Never had a payroll less than 216m(!) and won one world series.