Tyler Jay to Undergo Season-Ending Surgery for Thoracic Outlet Syndrome

[Minnesotatwins005]

http://www.twincities.com/2017/07/01/twins-prospect-tyler-jay-appears-headed-for-season-ending-thoracic-outlet-surgery/

 

 

The bullpen prospect hits just keep on coming.

[jimmer]

 

http://www.twincities.com/2017/07/01/twins-prospect-tyler-jay-appears-headed-for-season-ending-thoracic-outlet-surgery/


The bullpen prospect hits just keep on coming.

Poor Kid. I feel bad for him.

 

Having said that, picking him was already looking like a wasted high draft pick (like many said it was when he was picked) and now it looks even worse.

 

He and Stewart, wasted high draft picks.

[drjim]

Perhaps a good reminder of why Lewis was picked over the 4 pitchers.

 

4 high picks, 2 bats on pace to provide value, 2 arms looking like lost picks.

[h2oface]

Total bummer. At least he and Stewart got their bonus. Millions. I can't feel that sorry for them, but can identify with the disappointment. Let's hope that Falvey and Levine make better choices in the future than the Ryan regime. Our #1 last year, Alex Kirilloff, a first round high school bat...... out for at least the year with Tommy John and rehabbing.....not on pace to provide value......... another reminder to take the bat?

 

It is a crap shoot, that's for sure. I would still like to be talking about Hunter Greene.....

[drjim]

Perhaps a good reminder of why Lewis was picked over the 4 pitchers.

 

4 high picks, 2 bats on pace to provide value, 2 arms looking like lost picks.

Looking at the 2015 draft. First 9 picks were 6 bats and 3 arms. All the bats look like they're going to hit, all the arms have huge question marks.

 

Going back Stewart's draft in 2013, it's possible only one arm in the entire first round pans out (Gray picked 3rd overall). That draft overall was bad. I think JP Crawford bounces back, but at the moment there is no one between picks 3-32 that I really lament missing out on. A few bats might still end up decent, but unlikely to be really good.

[Darius]

He got lucky that it didn't progress to full blown BRW (Bilateral Rib Weakness).

[h2oface]

 

He got lucky that it didn't progress to full blown BRW (Bilateral Rib Weakness).

 

Now that is funny...

[h2oface]

 

Looking at the 2015 draft. First 9 picks were 6 bats and 3 arms. All the bats look like they're going to hit, all the arms have huge question marks.

 

 

But hit where, is the real question. If they don't make it to the show, and contribute, it is really not going to help the team. Blankenhorn, Cabbage, Paul, Kendrick, Wade (I count 5 bats and 4 arms)...... good luck to us all.

[drjim]

But hit where, is the real question. If they don't make it to the show, and contribute, it is really not going to help the team. Blankenhorn, Cabbage, Paul, Kendrick, Wade (I count 5 bats and 4 arms)...... good luck to us all.

I was unclear. I was referring to the draft overall. All 6 of the bats taken in the first 9 picks of the first round are looking really good right now. The 3 arms not so good.

 

More an observation on high draft picks as a whole. Arms are a crapshoot, bats generally have a much better return on investment.

 

Could be informative as we think of Royce Lewis compared to the 4 arms also considered.

[Monkeypaws]

Crap - given the results of recovering candidates from this, I'd have much preferred to hear he was getting Tommy John.

[jimmer]

Well, position player Buxton still can't hit, and he was drafted even high than SP Stewart and RP (let's pray we can convert him to SP, Oops we can't) Jay. Highly touted and highly regarded and so far, highly disappointing.

[Winston Smith]

 

I was unclear. I was referring to the draft overall. All 6 of the bats taken in the first 9 picks of the first round are looking really good right now. The 3 arms not so good.

More an observation on high draft picks as a whole. Arms are a crapshoot, bats generally have a much better return on investment.

Could be informative as we think of Royce Lewis compared to the 4 arms also considered.

I was little or a lot bored before the draft and looked back on top 10 picks. Position players were twice as likely to be decent over pitchers.

[gunnarthor]

That sucks.

[dgwills]

 

Crap - given the results of recovering candidates from this, I'd have much preferred to hear he was getting Tommy John.

Yep. His career is most likely done. Pretty tough blow for a team that needs pitching as bad as the Twins. I  feel bad for him, but he did make millions without ever pitching a major league inning. So, not too bad.

[bird]

Good pick, bad luck.

[Rosterman]

So, is he required to move to Ft. Myers and undergo rehab for a certain period of time, because of his status as a Twins prospect? Or will his career probably be done and over?

 

[DocBauer]

https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE

 

Another One Bites the Dust

[Minnesotatwins005]

Reading up on TOS and seeing the past cases on it doesn't give me much hope. I think the only Pitcher that came back and was as successful post surgery as they were pre surgery was Chris Young. Hopefully he beats the odds and can become a serviceable MLB reliever down the line. TOS only affects about 1% of the population so of course we have two pitchers in the Twins organization that have had the procedure done now.

[Seth Stohs]

 

Reading up on TOS and seeing the past cases on it doesn't give me much hope. I think the only Pitcher that came back and was as successful post surgery as they were pre surgery was Chris Young. Hopefully he beats the odds and can become a serviceable MLB reliever down the line. TOS only affects about 1% of the population so of course we have two pitchers in the Twins organization that have had the procedure done now.

 

Chattanooga RP Alex Muren had the surgery last April.

Kyle Waldrop had it back in his playing career.

Rochester RP John Curtiss had it in college. 

 

Certainly not the numbers compared to Tommy John, but there's no reason to think players can't come back. 

[Jacksson]

Shouldn't a doctor somewhere come up with a test or with an evaluation protocol based upon MRI or Xray to Identify players with a potential to experience TOS???

[The Wise One]

 

I was unclear. I was referring to the draft overall. All 6 of the bats taken in the first 9 picks of the first round are looking really good right now. The 3 arms not so good.

More an observation on high draft picks as a whole. Arms are a crapshoot, bats generally have a much better return on investment.

Could be informative as we think of Royce Lewis compared to the 4 arms also considered.

Early career success does not necessarily mean long term success.  Of the 2009 top 10 draft picks Strasburg and Leake  have accumulated 10 war, 2010 harvey, Harper and Machado, 2011 Cole Rendon and Lindor.  2008 Hosmer, Posey and Castro, 2008 Bumgartner, Weiters,  Moustakis and Price.   A few more hitters than Pitchers, a lot more misses than hits. Scouting may have improved as the cost of a mistake is so much more so that in 5-10 years you can look back and judge that hitters should be taken over pitchers.

[glunn]

I feel bad for the kid and hope that he is one of the ones who comes back.

 

[The Wise One]

 

Shouldn't a doctor somewhere come up with a test or with an evaluation protocol based upon MRI or Xray to Identify players with a potential to experience TOS???

A repetitive use injury would be hard to pre diagnose who will get it and who will not.  I am not sure as I have niot heard of anyone having essentially a birth  defect  having TOS

[Bob Sacamento]

 

A repetitive use injury would be hard to pre diagnose who will get it and who will not.  I am not sure as I have niot heard of anyone having essentially a birth  defect  having TOS

Cervical ribs (a birth defect) can and will cause TOS.

[The Wise One]

 

Cervical ribs (a birth defect) can and will cause TOS.

You are correct. That condition  has not been mentioned as a cause of TOS for any of the Twins pitchers.  More common is the muscle compressing the nerves over time. The rib is removed to create more space and relieve the compression. Articles have mentioned the difficulty in initially diagnosing TOS so I would suspect radiology testing would not lead to red flags . 

[glunn]

Here is an article from the Mayo Clinic. They make it sound like it can be congenital or be caused by repetitive movement, such as pitching.

 

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/thoracic-outlet-syndrome/symptoms-causes/dxc-20237890

[HitInAPinch]

 

Here is an article from the Mayo Clinic. They make it sound like it can be congenital or be caused by repetitive movement, such as pitching.

 

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/thoracic-outlet-syndrome/symptoms-causes/dxc-20237890

THANKS!  

[Vanimal46]

Really unfortunate. He was supposed to be on the fast track to the majors after switching back to the bullpen. Good luck to him on his recovery. 

[Mike Sixel]

Good luck to him in his recovery. Those saying pretty much "never pick a pitcher", where do they come from if you don't pick them? And, if you say trade....who is trading away cost controlled pitchers?

[drjim]

 

Good luck to him in his recovery. Those saying pretty much "never pick a pitcher", where do they come from if you don't pick them? And, if you say trade....who is trading away cost controlled pitchers?

 

Not in top 10 overall picks, track record is brutal. Later in first round if they drop, otherwise load up in rounds 2 and beyond.

 

This year was actually a really good model. 2012 was another good example, not surprising it was their best draft in a long time, and the 3rd and 4th best players from that draft were pitchers in the 5th and 11th rounds. Pitchers pop from unexpected places.