Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Eric Nordquist is the current producer for Paul Allen's show on KFAN. This morning, Nordquist presented his Top 10 Current Twins rankings... It's an interesting list. Maybe even listen to the segment to see how he voted/ranked, and then give is some thought. What would your Top 10 Current Twins rankings look like?
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted June 8, 2017 Author Posted June 8, 2017 My current rankings as of this moment: 1.) Miguel Sano2.) Ervin Santana3.) Brian Dozier4.) Max Kepler5.) Joe Mauer6.) Robbie Grossman7.) Jorge Polanco8.) Byron Buxton9.) Jose Berrios10.) Tyler Duffey What do you all think? Again, what would your rankings be?
Riverbrian Old-Timey Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I'd move Berrios to the #3 spot because his value is off the charts with our large need at the position. I can't imagine life without him right now. He is extremely vital to this club in 2017.
yarnivek1972 Verified Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 No love for the great framer, eh? I think I would have to put Castro in the top 10 instead of Berrios simply because Berrios has only been with the team for 4 weeks. If you are rewarding Buxton's defense with a top ten ranking, despite a negative offensive contribution (in terms of WAR), it seems only fair to reward Castro's defense and note that his offense has been quite a bit better than expected. I'd keep your top 7 and go Castro at 8, Buxton at 9 and Duffey at 10.
DocBauer Old-Timey Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Can't disagree with the names on your list, Seth, regardless of individual rankings. But I agree Castro has been a fine addition and needs some love. I'm just not sure where'd I rank him or who I would remove to place him there. Mauer is interesting, and not because of the #4 ranking. Before the season began, and through April, I'm not sure he would have made hardly anyone's top 10.
HitInAPinch Verified Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 I agree with RB on Berrios. What a change! I'd put Buxton at #10. I'm still leery about his offense. With his defense, yeah, he gets a break. Hoping he turns the corner soon. A .5 WAR is below scrub-level.
Brandon Warne Verified Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 A .5 WAR is below scrub-level. ....not 1/3 of the way into the season it isn't.
Winston Smith Verified Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Pitching is 15th in the AL, not sure how much Castro as helped.
jud6312 Verified Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 What's the list? I made 3 minutes and I had to turn it off. I can't believe how bad that show/station has got in the last couple of years.
jimmer Verified Member Posted June 8, 2017 Posted June 8, 2017 Mauer is interesting, and not because of the #4 ranking. Before the season began, and through April, I'm not sure he would have made hardly anyone's top 10.He's never left my top 5 Twins.
goulik Verified Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Ok, I will reply then read what everyone else said so that I am giving an opinion unbiased by TD. I will also not look at the roster or stats. Hmm... Sano (That one was easy...)SantanaDozierKeplerMauerBerriosBuxtonDuffeyKinzler Polanco Now to read what you all said and reassess my off the cuff list
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Here is the fWAR ranking SanoKeplerGrossmanCastroMauerDozierSantanaPolancoBerriosDuffey/Buxton (tie.) And the bWAR ranking: SantanaSanoKeplerCastroGrossmanBerriosPolancoBuxtonDozierMauer and the B/P WARP ranking: SanoSantanaKeplerBerriosDuffeyMejiaGrossmanCastroDozierBuxton 10 for the first and so and so and 1 for the tenth. The consensus of all 3 will be: 1. Sano (29)2. Kepler (25)3. Santana (23)4. Grossman (18)5. Castro (17)6. Berrios (14)7. Dozier (9)8. Mauer (7)- Polanco (7)- Duffey (7) As close to a quasi-objective ranking as possible. Survey says that Grossman and Castro have been more valuable than people's gut feelings...
goulik Verified Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Ok, I will reply then read what everyone else said so that I am giving an opinion unbiased by TD. I will also not look at the roster or stats. Hmm...Sano (That one was easy...)SantanaDozierKeplerMauerBerriosBuxtonDuffeyKinzler PolancoNow to read what you all said and reassess my off the cuff listDang it, I forgot about Grossman... I guess he goes between Berrios and Buxton. I believe Buxtons defense and the great need for Duffey and Kinzler are so important I move them up my list. I'm probably under rating Polanco still but I also had a hard time not putting Castro on the top 10 because of what he brings that does not include his bat...
goulik Verified Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Here is the fWAR ranking SanoKeplerGrossmanCastroMauerDozierSantanaPolancoBerriosDuffey/Buxton (tie.) And the bWAR ranking: SantanaSanoKeplerCastroGrossmanBerriosPolancoBuxtonDozierMauer and the B/P WARP ranking: SanoSantanaKeplerBerriosDuffeyMejiaGrossmanCastroDozierBuxton 10 for the first and so and so and 1 for the tenth. The consensus of all 3 will be: 1. Sano (29)2. Kepler (25)3. Santana (23)4. Grossman (18)5. Castro (17)6. Berrios (14)7. Dozier (9)8. Mauer (7)- Polanco (7)- Duffey (7) As close to a quasi-objective ranking as possible. Survey says that Grossman and Castro have been more valuable than people's gut feelings...And Kinzler is not on any of the lists. Does WAR in general rate relievers poorly or is this just the result of our RP corp?
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 And Kinzler is not on any of the lists. Does WAR in general rate relievers poorly or is this just the result of our RP corp? yes and yes. And Kinzler's BS hurt.
Brandon Warne Verified Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 And Kinzler is not on any of the lists. Does WAR in general rate relievers poorly or is this just the result of our RP corp? They don't play very many innings.
DocBauer Old-Timey Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Survey says that Grossman and Castro have been more valuable than people's gut feelings... Good call. And interesting analysis. Our pitching is not fixed by any stretch. But overall, it's been much better than last season...(yes, call me Captain Obvious)...and I think much better, overall, than expected. And I have to tell you, I'm a fan and believer in Vargas and his potential and want him to stick and play almost daily, I have become a believer and big fan of Grossman. I think we lucked in to a nice player there. I don't know if it is due to natural maturation or a change of scenery, but NICE.
bighat Verified Member Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 1) Sano2) Santana3) Dozier4) Berrios5) Mauer6) Kepler7) Grossman8) Duffey9) Buxton's glove10) Castro
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