Dozier Trade Discussion Thread

[jimmer]

 

I honestly applaud your dedication to this at this point.  Call me a skeptic.  Mostly because I am a David and I have a natural distrust of anybody that chooses to go by Dave   .  

Maybe his real name is Dave, not David. :-)

 

I knew a guy whose parents actually named him Ricky (as if they never realized he'd grow up) 

[DodgerFan1234]

 

Alvarez and JDL were certainly on the table, the Twins wanted and remain to Want more.

If it was a JDL for Dozier swap the deal would have been rejected immediately (like months ago)

So much spin coming out from both camps.

The trade will happen.

 

Have you given thought to the possibility (and I limit it to possibility) that while you should be trusted that you do have a source (in the Dodger FO given the way you word things) that your friend may be playing you given the power of social media today.  Your position has definitely caught fire to the point that historically credible writers have had to address the possibility of Alvarez in a deal.

[Nick Nelson]

With due respect to Dave, I find this report more believable: 

 

[DaveW]

With due respect to Dave, I find this report more believable:

 

https://twitter.com/DustinNosler/status/819328745433538560

Believe what you want Nick. Seems weird though since I personally reached out to you and gave you info on my source (to prove it legit)

 

Dustin was one of the guys over here trying to call me out on TwinsDaily, and then bashing me on twitter (I had to block him)

 

Dustin works for a LAD blog and not a national reporter or real media member, so why is his word so much more believable then mine Nick?

[dnosler]

Dustin was one of the guys over here trying to call me out on TwinsDaily, and then bashing me on twitter (I had to block him)

I never "bashed" you on Twitter. I opined that your information re: Alvarez was untrue/unbelievable, and I was able to confirm that it was on my end. I never tweeted at you directly.

 

I have been following the threads, but this is only my third comment on this forum.

[Squirrel]

Moderator warning: Stop the back and forth and the accusations, please, before it gets caustic. One person's source said one thing, another's said another, another journalist says a third, and on and on ... until any of us knows exactly what's been said, not said, offered, not offered, please allow for everyone's RESPECTFUL speculation.

[DaveW]

I never "bashed" you on Twitter. I opined that your information re: Alvarez was untrue/unbelievable, and I was able to confirm that it was on my end. I never tweeted at you directly.

 

I have been following the threads, but this is only my third comment on this forum.

We will agree to disagree on your first paragraph, but you did tweet at me.

 

Maybe it wasn't you on this forum...but it was someone from the site. If it wasn't you I apologize.

 

Moving on we will see ultimately who was right when someone goes on the record or when the trade (likely) goes through.

[dnosler]

We will agree to disagree on your first paragraph, but you did tweet at me.

 

Maybe it wasn't you on this forum...but it was someone from the site. If it wasn't you I apologize.

 

Moving on we will see ultimately who was right when someone goes on the record or when the trade (likely) goes through.

Dave, I would admit if I ever interacted with you on Twitter. I did not. And I don't appreciate the accusations on Twitter (when I cannot reply because you blocked me).

 

And I know what you're referring to on this forum. Trust me, it wasn't anyone who writes for the site. If anything, it was a reader, a person over whom I have no control.

[DaveW]

Also to show there are no hard feelings:

 

I'm in LA for the next 36 hours, if you want to discuss our differing reports on what our sources have given us I will happily buy you a brew in Beverley Hills area to chat all things Dodgers Twins.

[DaveW]

Dave, I would admit if I ever interacted with you on Twitter. I did not. And I don't appreciate the accusations on Twitter (when I cannot reply because you blocked me).

 

And I know what you're referring to on this forum. Trust me, it wasn't anyone who writes for the site. If anything, it was a reader, a person over whom I have no control.

If it wasn't you then it was someone who tagged you on twitter, sorry I am new to twitter so sometimes it's hard to figure out the specifics. Plenty of people from

Your site were harassing and trolling me though, if you say it wasn't you I will give you benefit of the doubt.

[Squirrel]

While this camaraderie is nice, please move this to PM's.

[DaveW]

Fwiw: just sent that tweet and message to source, they replied "alvarez definitely was in the offer and remains in offer along with JDL, issue has and remains Twins insistence on a third asset"

 

Not trying to start an argument, just passing on the info.

[Halsey Hall]

 

I honestly applaud your dedication to this at this point.  Call me a skeptic.  Mostly because I am a David and I have a natural distrust of anybody that chooses to go by Dave   .  

So do I now!

[nicksaviking]

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/11/minnesota-twins-have-set-no-deadlines-regarding-brian-dozier/

 

Berardino says talks are tabled, not dead. Though the Dodgers will have to come calling if they want Dozier because the Twins are done calling and won't accept their current offer which did not include Alvarez, Buehler or Stewart.

 

Unless some way it instead included Bellinger who wasn't mentioned but assumed off limits, yeah, the Twins should walk.

[Squirrel]

 

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/11/minnesota-twins-have-set-no-deadlines-regarding-brian-dozier/

Berardino says talks are tabled, not dead. Though the Dodgers will have to come calling if they want Dozier because the Twins are done calling and won't accept their current offer which did not include Alvarez, Buehler or Stewart.

Unless some way it instead included Bellinger who wasn't mentioned but assumed off limits, yeah, the Twins should walk.

Very nice article.

[DaveW]

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/11/minnesota-twins-have-set-no-deadlines-regarding-brian-dozier/

 

Berardino says talks are tabled, not dead. Though the Dodgers will have to come calling if they want Dozier because the Twins are done calling and won't accept their current offer which did not include Alvarez, Buehler or Stewart.

 

Unless some way it instead included Bellinger who wasn't mentioned but assumed off limits, yeah, the Twins should walk.

To be fair Beradino never said they didn't offer Alvarez etc, the article states "other reports state that" Alvarez wasn't included. Those other reports are dubious IMO

[TyTY23]

 

To be fair Beradino never said they didn't offer Alvarez etc, the article states "other reports state that" Alvarez wasn't included. Those other reports are dubious IMO

Actually he did, Beradino's sources informed him that Alvarez was never offered. He is referencing his source in his report.   

 

"The Dodgers, according to sources familiar with the talks, were willing to part with right-hander Jose De Leon, their top-rated pitching prospect, but steadfastly refused to include a second high-end pitching prospect such as Yadier Alvarez, Walker Buehler or even Brock Stewart."

 

[ShouldaCouldaWoulda]

 

While this camaraderie is nice, please move this to PM's.

Nah, I think it is good for us all to see things play out in a positive way now and then.

[AZTwin]

Actually he did, Beradino's sources informed him that Alvarez was never offered. He is referencing his source in his report.

 

"The Dodgers, according to sources familiar with the talks, were willing to part with right-hander Jose De Leon, their top-rated pitching prospect, but steadfastly refused to include a second high-end pitching prospect such as Yadier Alvarez, Walker Buehler or even Brock Stewart."

I think that's surprising because none of those offers would have been overly strong. Just goes to show they think they can win without Dozier. If it blows up in their face, they could face a lot of criticism for not having a stronger commitment of winning during their prime opportunity years

[CiabanItReal]

 

I'm then sure he brought up his small market concerns when reporting on trades or free agent moves involving CC Sabbathia, Cliff Lee, Victor Martinez, Carlos Beltran, Yoenis Cespedes, Johnny Cueto, Aroldis Chapman, David Price and Matt Holiday as well.

That could have been speculation on his part, or it could have been a concern the dodgers really have with him and his source brought it up. Either way it doesn't make him a shill.

Don't shoot the messenger.

[CiabanItReal]

 

I think that's surprising because none of those offers would have been overly strong. Just goes to show they think they can win without Dozier. If it blows up in their face, they could face a lot of criticism for not having a stronger commitment of winning during their prime opportunity years

Or just get a different 2nd basemen at some point next year.

[HitInAPinch]

 

I honestly applaud your dedication to this at this point.  Call me a skeptic.  Mostly because I am a David and I have a natural distrust of anybody that chooses to go by Dave   .  

Just don't call us 'Davey' ......

[Craig Arko]

Just don't call us 'Davey' ......

Goliath will be bummed...

[Otto von Ballpark]

Dave, does your source say that negotiations are still going on?  And if so, what could they possibly be talking about after a month of discussions?

[Mike Sixel]

Well, this would be disappointing. Lots of losses on the way with this "pitching" staff. 

 

Hard to believe no one wants to pay a decent price to get Dozier, who could play 2B or 1B or DH, given his bat/glove.

[Otto von Ballpark]

So once they found common ground on De Leon, clearly an exchange of names for the second piece happened.  We pretty much know the Twins asked for Alvarez, Buehler, or Stewart (or possibly Bellinger, if he wasn't defined as off limits yet) -- is anyone going to step up to report what the Dodgers actually offered?  They have a deep enough prospect list that it defies logic to assume they only offered AAAA guys or non-prospects beyond De Leon (especially given that discussions remained open for some time afterward -- if the gulf was really that wide, I expect they would have shut down immediately at that point).

 

Did they offer Calhoun?  Sheffield?  Ruiz?  Someone else in the Dodgers top 15? Top 20?  Top 30?

[drjim]

 

So once they found common ground on De Leon, clearly an exchange of names for the second piece happened.  We pretty much know the Twins asked for Alvarez, Buehler, or Stewart (or possibly Bellinger, if he wasn't defined as off limits yet) -- is anyone going to step up to report what the Dodgers actually offered?  They have a deep enough prospect list that it defies logic to assume they only offered AAAA guys or non-prospects beyond De Leon (especially given that discussions remained open for some time afterward -- if the gulf was really that wide, I expect they would have shut down immediately at that point).

 

Did they offer Calhoun?  Sheffield?  Ruiz?  Someone else in the Dodgers top 15? Top 20?  Top 30?

 

My assumption was that is was some of the names you mentioned in the second paragraph and it wasn't enough for the Twins.

 

And with your other point earlier, it seems the impasse is there but the door isn't closed. But does seem it will have to be the Dodgers who call. Just takes one phone call. Maybe it's good for them to look around and explore the other options.

[TyTY23]

 

I think that's surprising because none of those offers would have been overly strong. Just goes to show they think they can win without Dozier. If it blows up in their face, they could face a lot of criticism for not having a stronger commitment of winning during their prime opportunity years

You mean the same criticism they faced when they didn't sign Greinke last year? The same year where they were just 2 wins away from the WS? One player doesn't ruin your season. Even when the best pitcher in the league went down, Kershaw, the Dodger managed to take first place in their division. 

[drjim]

 

Well, this would be disappointing. Lots of losses on the way with this "pitching" staff. 

 

Hard to believe no one wants to pay a decent price to get Dozier, who could play 2B or 1B or DH, given his bat/glove.

 

You talk like this trade wouldn't result in more losses the next two years.

 

Also, it's not like De Leon is a sure thing. I like him, good prospect, accept him as the headliner, but if it is just him as the significant prospect, that is a huge risk. Probably a better chance it is a step back for the franchise than a step forward.

 

Up to the leadership to find other ways to add pitching.

[nicksaviking]

 

That could have been speculation on his part, or it could have been a concern the dodgers really have with him and his source brought it up. Either way it doesn't make him a shill.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

If he was told that it was the Dodgers who had concerns about the small market he should feel obligated to say so instead of insinuating that it was his idea.

 

If it was his idea, it's a brand new bargaining platform that only serves to benefit the leverage of large market clubs and has no basis for concern.

 

If it wasn't his idea but the Dodgers wanted him to pretend it was, he's a shill.

 

Regardless of who actually floated the idea it was bad journalism at the very least in the way it was presented.