Dozier Trade Discussion Thread

[TyTY23]

 

Sounds like the dodgers just don't have the depth to make a trade like this. If 5 guys are off limits because of depth concerns then I can't see it happen. They just can't match what we have to offer. Oh well

Again you misconstrued a post. Come on man! I even bolded it for you. Steward and JDL have more value to the Dodgers winning games than Dozier. I would still would trade both those guys for Dozier since I believe we do have more young pitchers coming up the ranks.   

[AZTwin]

Dodgers are really overplaying their hand in this one. The prospects they want to give up are burried right now. If at the break they have practically a 25 year old and 26 year old still in AAA, no one in their right mind is going to value that highly. Those players are going to lose a ton of value and not fetch much at the break. Dodgers need to make this trade now to get max value out of their prospects otherwise it's going to be the start of diminishing returns and soon enough they are stuck with nothing. If we don't make the trade at least we have an all star on our hands for another couple years

[CiabanItReal]

 

Dodgers are really overplaying their hand in this one. The prospects they want to give up are burried right now. If at the break they have practically a 25 year old and 26 year old still in AAA, no one in their right mind is going to value that highly. Those players are going to lose a ton of value and not fetch much at the break. Dodgers need to make this trade now to get max value out of their prospects otherwise it's going to be the start of diminishing returns and soon enough they are stuck with nothing. If we don't make the trade at least we have an all star on our hands for another couple years

Why because their a half year older, people still consistently call the dodgers about Austin Barnes and he's 27. Age doesn't matter as much to teams as talent, cost and years of control.

As long as they're still pitching well, teams will still value them highly.

[HitInAPinch]

 

I think I'll come back after the weekend.....

[Cory Engelhardt]

Does this mean it's happening?

 

Mlb trade rumors is now saying that the Dodgers are willing to give up more than just De Leon. I suppose it depends on what the "more" is.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/market-notes-jays-bruce-as-plouffe-dozier-bautista-trumbo-lefty-relievers-lewis.html?fv-home=true&post-id=81959

[AlwaysinModeration]

Here is what I don't get about this situation. Friedman is viewed as "stingy with his prospects." And from many accounts, the Dodgers have such a bounty of pitching prospects that they can fill up a whole rotation with excellence: Urias, De Leon, Buehler, Stewart, and in a while, and perhaps one of the best of all, Alvarez.

 

Yet when I look at the roster and the transactions, I keep seeing the Dodgers buying pitchers for their rotation: obviously they've locked up Kershaw on a mega-contract, but then you have Ryu, Kazmir and McCarthy all signed through 2018 at various points for hefty contracts, and it hasn't slowed down, with Hill just signed through 2019 for a boatload more cash. I'm probably forgetting some.

 

I've listed 10 pitchers, and of the first five, many are reportedly untouchable. They may be high on them and Friedman doesn't want to trade them, but are the Dodgers going to suddenly change gears, stopping signing veteran pitchers to big contracts?

 

All this is to say it seems like they have a surplus of pitching--especially since they can and have seemed to fill out their rotation with veteran signings. They can buy on free agency what other teams expect their prospects to become.

 

They can't buy a 2B like Dozier in free agency, though. So that is why they should pay a hefty price in pitching prospects to get him.

[nytwinsfan]

 

Does this mean it's happening?

Mlb trade rumors is now saying that the Dodgers are willing to give up more than just De Leon. I suppose it depends on what the "more" is.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/market-notes-jays-bruce-as-plouffe-dozier-bautista-trumbo-lefty-relievers-lewis.html?fv-home=true&post-id=81959

 

I think it just means that as many suspected, the earlier reporters who suggested the Dodgers were only offering a 1 for 1 deal were EITHER:  (1) being deliberately misinformed by one or more the teams involved, OR (2) were incredibly careless/sloppy in how they phrased their reports on the status of the trade negotiations. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Seems a stretch to say the Dodgers have overplayed their hand when the Twins haven't been able to generate any other interest in Dozier. He will still be available for the foreseeable future (even if they stop actively shopping him).

 

If your trade or FA target goes somewhere else, or a hard deadline like July 31st passes, then maybe you've overplayed your hand. At worst, the Dodgers and Twins would seem to just table discussions.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

I wouldn't say Turner has been declining.  He came off of an offseason knee surgery that led to a very slow start.  Remove the first 6 weeks and look at his numbers.  Turner is clutch too.  WAR has it's place and for the most part it does a good job, but as much as everyone wants to narrow a player down to one number, it doesn't do it for me.

 

Remove the first 6 weeks of Dozier's seasons and his comp is some guy named Ruth... that's a bit of a joke, but at bats did happen (in both cases). I get what you're saying about WAR.  I've said the same, but if the argument is that Dozier is worth just De Leon and some change, I don't buy it.  The Dodgers need Dozier just as much as the Twins need those prospects. I get that that they will likely be a playoff team regardless, but having a 4-6 WAR 2B instead of the black hole that is there now gives them a much bigger margin for error and much better odds of a WS if things go right.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I don't think anyone here, on either side of the debate, feel Dozier is worth basically just De Leon. Almost everyone has proposed substantially more than that.

 

I don't even think the Dodgers feel that Dozier is only worth De Leon -- they just aren't comfortable committing the necessary second and third pieces to get it done right now.

[Cory Engelhardt]

Apparently we shouldn't rule out the Braves. Mike Berardino just tweeted this...

 

https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/817367828659654656

 

I really like Darren Wolfson, I know some people on this board for whatever reason need to take his reporting with a grain of salt. I have not seen Mike Berardino put out team names before now.

[diehardtwinsfan]

So just a question for the Dodger fans... I'm really curious what package(s) you would offer up for Dozier.  Instead of criticizing his value, let's have a fun exercise and see what you are willing to throw out.

[drjim]

 

 

Apparently we shouldn't rule out the Braves. Mike Berardino just tweeted this...

 

https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/817367828659654656

 

I really like Darren Wolfson, I know some people on this board for whatever reason need to take his reporting with a grain of salt. I have not seen Mike Berardino put out team names before now.

 

 

I suspect this is one last effort by the Twins front office to get the Dodgers to budge.

[nicksaviking]

 

The Twins are the ones who have kept Dozier on the market, it is sort of up to them to pull him back if they aren't getting what they want. Or do you expect the Dodgers to completely retract their offer while the Twins are still publicly shopping him to the Cardinals, etc.?

 

But again, the Twins likely have an offer also. Dozier is on the market, but then so too are the players that the Dodgers are offering. I'm saying if the Dodgers are unwilling to meet the Twins asking price, they should walk away, the Twins have already said they are done shopping and want this wrapped up.

[Trueblue222]

Life long Dodger fan (over 40 years) A trade between Minnesota and LA makes to much sense for both sides not to get done. Something Along the lines of De Leon, Sheffield and a wild card like Keibert Ruiz for Dozier and Brandon Kintzler.

[nicksaviking]

 

Life long Dodger fan (over 40 years) A trade between Minnesota and LA makes to much sense for both sides not to get done. Something Along the lines of De Leon, Sheffield and a wild card like Keibert Ruiz for Dozier and Brandon Kintzler.

 

Welcome to our board!

 

I'm guessing you're not going to find many posters here too amenable to your offer though.

[Cory Engelhardt]

http://www.talkingchop.com/2017/1/6/14189526/atlanta-braves-trade-rumors-brian-dozier-minnesota-twins

 

More smoke?

[Otto von Ballpark]

But again, the Twins likely have an offer also. Dozier is on the market, but then so too are the players that the Dodgers are offering. I'm saying if the Dodgers are unwilling to meet the Twins asking price, they should walk away, the Twins have already said they are done shopping and want this wrapped up.

Huh? As far as we know, the Dodgers aren't shopping De Leon around the league, they just said they would be willing to send him to the Twins in exchange for Dozier.

 

Dozier is the one being shopped. The Twins are even still talking about him to other teams. It's not up to the Dodgers to retract their offer in that case -- for all we know, De Leon might still be the best offer, why would they have to retract it?

 

I mean, I guess it is mostly semantics, but I really don't understand this attitude that the Dodgers are the ones responsible for dragging this out. Virtually every report has said they have had the same offer on the table for at least a month, and the Twins have been shopping that offer around in that time.

[mazeville]

 

http://www.talkingchop.com/2017/1/6/14189526/atlanta-braves-trade-rumors-brian-dozier-minnesota-twins

 

More smoke?

 

I've long thought the Braves as a strong potential landing spot because they're going to want to throw their fans a bone as they move into a new stadium. But any Braves trade STARTS with Ozzie Albies in my view and then you go from there.

 

Two years from now you'd have an infield of Nick Gordon (3B), Albies (SS), Jorge Polanco (2B) and Miguel Sano (1B).

[Otto von Ballpark]

Life long Dodger fan (over 40 years) A trade between Minnesota and LA makes to much sense for both sides not to get done. Something Along the lines of De Leon, Sheffield and a wild card like Keibert Ruiz for Dozier and Brandon Kintzler.

That's definitely one of the lower offers we've seen here, even from Dodger fans -- but it likely matches up pretty well with what the Dodgers are willing to part with at the present moment.

[Trueblue222]

Thanks for the welcome. My thoughts are De Leon the center piece who I see as a #2/3 SP followed by a player like 2. Sheffield(upside) or Stewart(#4 SP) followed by a high upside top #20 prospect. What to you see as a realistic trade composition? I see the Dodgers using De Leon to acquire a 2nd baseman shortly wether it's Dozier, Kinsler or Forsythe. I been enjoy your board over the last few weeks!

[beckmt]

 

I suspect this is one last effort by the Twins front office to get the Dodgers to budge.

It was reported on mlbtraderumors that Brandon Phillips invoked his no trade clause against the Braves in November.  Braves are looking for a one or two year player at reasonable price.  No reason the Braves might not circle back on Dozier.

[beckmt]

 

Thanks for the welcome. My thoughts are De Leon the center piece who I see as a #2/3 SP followed by a player like 2. Sheffield(upside) or Stewart(#4 SP) followed by a high upside top #20 prospect. What to you see as a realistic trade composition? I see the Dodgers using De Leon to acquire a 2nd baseman shortly wether it's Dozier, Kinsler or Forsythe. I been enjoy your board over the last few weeks!

 

TB does not need pitching.  Their needs begins and ends with Bellinger.  End of discussion for the Dodgers.

[Steve Lein]

 

As someone already mentioned Pederson is a good comp. too. Grandal is not a bad 2way player either. 

 

That was also me.

[Trueblue222]

Agreed, I see Kinsler as the Dodgers target if the deal for Dozier doesn't work out even if they have to extend him a year to get it done.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Thanks for the welcome. My thoughts are De Leon the center piece who I see as a #2/3 SP followed by a player like 2. Sheffield(upside) or Stewart(#4 SP) followed by a high upside top #20 prospect. What to you see as a realistic trade composition? I see the Dodgers using De Leon to acquire a 2nd baseman shortly wether it's Dozier, Kinsler or Forsythe. I been enjoy your board over the last few weeks!

 

I'd probably want one more piece.  I'm pretty high on Ruiz to be honest, so I love that idea, but I'd want Stewart or Alvarez, especially if Kintzler is being added... now to be clear, I'd trade Kintzler in a heart beat if that was the difference between no trade and De Leon, Stewart or Alvarez, Ruiz, and Sheffield.

[jimmer]

Kinsler won't approve the trade without an extension.  Dodgers' don't want that.  Kinsler isn't a good fit.

[AZTwin]

Why because their a half year older, people still consistently call the dodgers about Austin Barnes and he's 27. Age doesn't matter as much to teams as talent, cost and years of control.

As long as they're still pitching well, teams will still value them highly.

Age matters. If your 25 or older with no meaningful MLB experience and 7 on depth chart then you are no longer a top prospect. You are more like a journeyman type. Still have value? Sure. Just nobody is fooling themselves thinking that they have a future ace or even number 2 on their hands

[ppearson50]

Braves do seem to make a lot of sense. Ozzie Albies is the 12th ranked prospect in baseball, according to MLB, and can play multiple infield positions. Those two pitchers Blair and Wisler were both once highly regarded top 50/60 prospects in baseball who have had some innings in the big leagues. All three would seem to be too much, though, for two years of Dozier. 

 

 

 

 

[nicksaviking]

 

Braves do seem to make a lot of sense. Ozzie Albies is the 12th ranked prospect in baseball, according to MLB, and can play multiple infield positions. Those two pitchers Blair and Wisler were both once highly regarded top 50/60 prospects in baseball who have had some innings in the big leagues. All three would seem to be too much, though, for two years of Dozier. 

 

Does anyone know why Albies is thought so highly of? He's a tiny slap hitter and almost certainly won't develop power, he has some speed but doesn't have the biggest arm. It sounds like he can play SS but 2B might be his best bet. Is he only ranked high because the Braves pushed him so hard and he's a 19-year-old in AAA with a decent batting average?

 

I know I'm the only one who's in the dark, but what is it about this guy that everyone seems to love?