Game Thread: Twins v Detroit, 5/1 @ 1:10pm CT

Darius · May 1, 2016

YOUTH!!!

I think that's kind of a cop out. You should learn that long before you get to the bigs. Like, shortly after the coach stops being the full-time pitcher.

formerly33 · May 1, 2016

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Platoon · May 1, 2016

Back to the bunt. It's one thing to bunt with a plan. (Sorry Chief) but it's another to give up an out with a high SO guy up next. I am not sure what Detroit would have done, but I would have thought Nunez was an option there.

Riverbrian · May 1, 2016

I think that's kind of a cop out. You should learn that long before you get to the bigs. Like, shortly after the coach stops being the full-time pitcher.

I'm not just talking about the Sano Bonehead Base Running.

I'm talking about everything all year... the overall construction of this team. We are too Young!!! And part of that was the Sano finish to that game.

Sano going for a triple was straw number 4,589 and I've been told my limit is 4,600

Darius · May 1, 2016

Concur.

People will focus on Sano's gaffe--and it was a gaffe, a bad one--while ignoring Molitor made at least two worse decisions.

Can't totally disagree. But, at the end of the day, no matter what Molitor does, this team doesn't have the personnel to make Molitor look like a competent manager at this point.

You could also point to runners in 2nd and 3rd with one out, against Pelfrey, followed by two straight strike outs. Molitor can't do a darn thing about that.

Not saying Molitor is brilliant, either. This franchise is a disaster from Ryan, down to the bullpen catcher.

Riverbrian · May 1, 2016

Another point... the Veteran Miggy made two bonehead base running plays this weekend.

It isn't the Sano Adventure at the end of the game...

It's all of it.

YOUTH!!!

Winston Smith · May 1, 2016

Even Dick is having a hard time being positive, lucky Roy always has the lipstick.

bluechipper · May 1, 2016

Detroit can hit... 2016 AL Central champs.

Hosken Bombo Disco · May 1, 2016

Sano going for a triple was straw number 4,589 and I've been told my limit is 4,600

You are going to need a new camel!!!

(does that qualify as a bad joke?)

Danchat · May 1, 2016

So far this feels like a 90+ loss team, but there's so much more talent here. So I guess they'll likely end up being an 80+ loss team.

sampleSizeOfOne · May 1, 2016

Thanks for the company.

Maybe next time will be better?

jimmer · May 1, 2016

So far this feels like a 90+ loss team, but there's so much more talent here. So I guess they'll likely end up being an 80+ loss team.

Is there really more talent or are we just hoping there is?

sampleSizeOfOne · May 1, 2016

You are going to need a new camel!!!

(does that qualify as a bad joke?)

Or to consider a new construction material.

I hear good things about bricks.

Kwak · May 1, 2016

Too many of you fail to understand (accept) that the Twins are a developing team and not a contending team--they will make mistakes! Making them in 2016 is OK--so long as they stop making bonehead mistakes after this year!

jimmer · May 1, 2016

Too many of you fail to understand (accept) that the Twins are a developing team and not a contending team--they will make mistakes! Making them in 2016 is OK--so long as they stop making bonehead mistakes after this year!

Fine way to look at it as long as we can keep saying that while pushing back the year we are supposed to contend until it actually happens.

Darius · May 1, 2016

I cannot scapegoat Sano for that baserunning move. He is trying to make something happen. You can count on one hand the number of people in this dugout trying to make something happen.

Im not sure going from second to third, with two outs, down by one, in the bottom of the ninth, with a guy capable of winning the game with one swing on deck, is trying to make something happen. I would argue that it's the opposite.

There were a lot of mistakes today, again. But Sano's is one that would be unacceptable in beer league softball.

Danchat · May 1, 2016

Is there really more talent or are we just hoping there is?

The raw talent is clearly there for most of the players. They just haven't been able to extract most of it. Plenty of bad luck, too. But I'm getting the feeling that this terrible situational hitting / pitching is not just full of outliers.

USAFChief · May 1, 2016

Can't totally disagree. But, at the end of the day, no matter what Molitor does, this team doesn't have the personnel to make Molitor look like a competent manager at this point.

You could also point to runners in 2nd and 3rd with one out, against Pelfrey, followed by two straight strike outs. Molitor can't do a darn thing about that.

Not saying Molitor is brilliant, either. This franchise is a disaster from Ryan, down to the bullpen catcher.

I guess I would counter with: a competent manager makes good decisions regardless the personnel.

Or, maybe, the need for good decision making is amplified by a lack of personnel.

You can. not. let. Ricky. Nolasco. loose. the. lead. after. the. fifth. inning.

Molitor can do a lot about that.

jimmer · May 1, 2016

I cannot scapegoat Sano for that baserunning move. He is trying to make something happen. You can count on one hand the number of people in this dugout trying to make something happen.

Make something happen? Making the last out at 3B, down one run when he was already in scoring position? That's boneheaded.

Bark's Lounge · May 1, 2016

I usually don't get too worried about slow starts and all that, but what I am watching is very troubling. It's a sloppy mess. I am buckling my seat belt for a rough ride of a season.

I think we will probably suck when it is all said and done at the end of the season record wise, but they need to suck in the right way. PLAY the kids, let them take there lumps. Sure this post can be looked as a pessimistic poster letting off some steam, but I don't feel too good about this year, it's going to take a whole hell of a lot to turn this thing around. I still believe there will some fun moments for this team this year, they are young, but very talented. From a realistic stand point, it has started out about as bad as it can get.

Last year looks to be some kind fluke, but, I know most of you believe this is a talented nucleus we have on this team. Who knows, maybe they turn it around, but if they don't, I still have some hope for this group of guys in the future.

Speaking for myself, I think I got carried away with my expectations. It certainly should not be this bad, but what do you do? This is the reality.

jimmer · May 1, 2016

The raw talent is clearly there for most of the players. They just haven't been able to extract most of it. Plenty of bad luck, too. But I'm getting the feeling that this terrible situational hitting / pitching is not just full of outliers.

Yeah as I look around the diamond and on the bench, along with the rotation and bullpen, I have a real hard time agreeing.

Catcher? Nah.

2B? Not really. He is who he is, his talent is extracted.

SS? See 2B

3B? see 2B

CF? Not on the current team.

LF? no.

Rotation? No, We know who Hughes, Nolasco, Milone, Gibson and Santana are.

Bullpen? Please.

Aggies7 · May 1, 2016

I was hoping we'd reached this point already, but it keeps getting worse.

Hosken Bombo Disco · May 1, 2016

Im not sure going from second to third, with two outs, down by one, in the bottom of the ninth, with a guy capable of winning the game with one swing on deck, is trying to make something happen. I would argue that it's the opposite.
There were a lot of mistakes today, again. But Sano's is one that would be unacceptable in beer league softball.

We can disagree. He is trying to be aggressive and makes a mistake. I can live with that in this case.

Circus Boy · May 1, 2016

I'm not just talking about the Sano Bonehead Base Running.

I'm talking about everything all year... the overall construction of this team. We are too Young!!! And part of that was the Sano finish to that game.

Sano going for a triple was straw number 4,589 and I've been told my limit is 4,600

Yeah, but now the pressure's off. Time to enjoy come what may. We may even improve.

Primetime82 · May 1, 2016

What happened to DaveW?

hybridbear · May 1, 2016

I guess I would counter with: a competent manager makes good decisions regardless the personnel.

Why couldn't the Twins have hired someone like Joe Maddon a couple years ago?? He is absolutely worth his salary. Molitor, not so much...

Danchat · May 1, 2016

Why couldn't the Twins have hired someone like Joe Maddon a couple years ago?? He is absolutely worth his salary. Molitor, not so much...

I'm pretty sure I remember that Joe Maddon had no interest in managing with the Twins' current front office in place.

Kwak · May 1, 2016

I guess I would counter with: a competent manager makes good decisions regardless the personnel.

Or, maybe, the need for good decision making is amplified by a lack of personnel.

You can. not. let. Ricky. Nolasco. loose. the. lead. after. the. fifth. inning.

Molitor can do a lot about that.

I must disagree! It's only the 6th, plus Nolaso has been the most successful of the rotation and the bullpen is suspect! Your comment is based totally on the fact that he failed and not that leaving Nolasco in the game a poor option.

Platoon · May 1, 2016

Today was a cumulative effort. A bad route by Rosario on the triple. The requisite 2 SO's with a guy on third and no out. A IF in CF going back on a short pop up, and an AS second baseman lollygaggimg the catch, and another flip to 1B. Sano the base runner. Esco dropping the relay, and the flip for the line drive DP. And I might have missed a few. Toss in the Twins seeming proclivity for giving up runs almost immediately after getting some, and the result was inevitable. I am not a huge Nunez fan, but he sure as hell would have hit for Suzuki. And bunting to Rosario is stupid, if he does get a hit, it's after an extra base one. Dozier keeps making one out after the other in front of our best hitter(s). There does not seem a cohesive plan for any aspect of the game, SP, BP, or daily lineup.

Riverbrian · May 2, 2016

Is there really more talent or are we just hoping there is?

There is a great peach here... you just got to put it back on the tree for a bit and surround it with some other fruit.

Can't live on the peach alone

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