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I think if you are expecting Maeda to put up Cy Young award numbers then you need to be worried, but if you are looking for a 5th starter who should compete in many games I am not worried. In 2020 he was going into the year our number 2 pitcher. He ended up being our best. This year he is going into season as our number 5. If he ends up being our best, that means either he did amazing and we won the division, or we are last place. I doubt he will be what he was in 2020. If he struggles out the gate we can bring Ober back up and move Maeda to pen, or we can cut him if needed.
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Did the Twins Lose Money Last Year?
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
As for those complaining about ticket prices, I get it, you want to go back tot he days where you could get lower level tickets for under 10 bucks. Well that will never happen. You can get to games for not that much, if you do not care how good the seats are. Yes, if you want great seats, you need to pay a lot for them. Generally attendance is not driven by ticket cost, but product on the field. Yes, the cost may keep some away, but people are more put off by a bad product. I hate watching games where the team is striking out 15 times a game, getting 1 or 2 hits and losing by 5 plus runs. This is not entertaining and I would not pay any money for that, if that is the expectation. However, if I know there is a good chance of a good entertaining game, I will be willing to pay a little bit more for that, than a little less for a boring game. -
Did the Twins Lose Money Last Year?
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
For the people saying they do not trust the numbers and no way team is losing money, I believe that owners can lose on owing the team, but use that loss to counter the tax liability for other business. So it is fully possible they are losing money, but using the loss to offset profits in other businesses. I could be wrong about the ability to do that in taxes, but I think that is how it works. -
I will never underestimate a Terry Francona team. Cleveland has continued to retool and have winning teams. I am not big on the Josh Bell signing. He is bad on defense, really bad, so will only be DH. The issue with Bell is he is boom or bust. Over his history he will go on great runs looking like MVP candidate, then out of no where, he looks like he should not be in majors. He will be huge wild card for them, either puts them into great team, or holds them back. I also always worry when you had a ton of big season from rookies. Now, their biggest rookies on offense all had similar numbers in minors, so not like they did more than what they have in past, but sometimes rookie seasons are the best someone has, or takes a few years to adjust to how the league adjusted to them. I still think they will be the team fighting the Twins for the central.
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No one can make a player play. If Polanco said he could not go, like what eventually happened, he would have sat. Sure, could the team have overruled Polanco, yes. However, they do not know how bad the pain is. As someone who gets recuring different tendonitis each bout is its own thing. Sometimes the pain is not bad, sometimes it is terrible. I never really can see it coming on. Yes, the only way to get it better is rest, but sometimes it would go away in a day or two, sometimes it lingers for weeks. Sometimes the players need to be honest with themselves and the team. Polanco has played through many different injuries in his career. I am no medical doctor, but in my experience in tendonitis there is little you can do to prevent it in the future, other than just stop doing what you are doing. Which means, for Polanco retirement. It is fully possible the Twins shut him down earlier last year, and he is still here with same issue. I would not say we know it would have been avoided, I mean he has sat for nearly 8 months now. I would also not say this is negligence. If Polanco is not being honest on how bad things are, hard for any medical people to really give a good opinion.
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Ranking the Twins Top-5 Power Tool Prospects: 2023
Trov replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
The sad part about this is the top 2 guys will have limited time in MLB I expect. The bottom 3 have the hit tool to combine with the power tool. Power is all good, but if you can hardly make contact that does not mean much.- 16 replies
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The trash can situation was not just CC. Yes, he benefited from it, but he was not alone. The whole team benefited from it, and coaches were in on it too. Baseball has always tried to find ways to get an edge, the issue with that situation is they used tech that gave them an edge. However, Yankees and other teams were trying similar things, Houston just had the right guy behind the scenes to finally crack the signs. I would also point out that even if you know what is coming it does not mean you will get a hit, just allows you to have a better idea. In terms of CC's roll in the signs stealing, I do not know what roll he played, was he one of the instigators or more of the quite guys that did not want to speak out and just went along with it, or some where in between. I think fans are blowing it up bigger than it really should be.
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Could Bailey Ober Still Win A Rotation Spot?
Trov replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I honestly would not be surprised with a 6 man rotation to start the season. Then if there is injury or poor performance by any of the established guys ahead of Ober, then he may get a shot. I do not expect him to be a long man, they want to have him get starts and try to get innings that way, not through 2 to 3 every few days when there is a blow out one way or other.- 51 replies
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3 Twins Development Success Stories
Trov replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I would less say Gordon was a development success story. To me the 5th overall pick should be expected to make majors and contribute and not need a ton of development to be a success. Yes, he was slower to develop and would have issues with health and learning at each level, but to me a development success story is taking a guy no one expects much from, and turning them into a major league level player.- 22 replies
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The White Sox are not a team that I expect to have good year. They have some good hitters, but their defense is not good at all. Cease is one reason to feel good, he is legit Cy Young guy. Their offense should still scare people, if healthy, but that is big if with them. Roberts has the talent, but yet to grow from what he showed in 2020, and has really not been healthy much, I could be wrong but believe most have been muscle injuries which tend to linger. Using Vaughn at 1B may be a terrible idea, and should just keep him DH. He had OPS+ of 111 last year, but still a negative war because his defense was that bad. He had negative 2.6 bWAR. That is crazy for a first baseman. Baseball reference projects if he played a full 1200 innings at first he would have cost his team 19 runs. That is crazy for a first baseman. Outside of Cease I do not expect a ton from any of their staff. Giolito has been good but not great his career and is aging with a down year. Lynn is in his mid-30's and coming off of poor year, could he rebound, maybe but would not expect a ton from him. Unless the sox can score a ton of runs, they will not do well because their defense and pitching will not be holding teams down.
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Twins 2023 Position Analysis: Center Field
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I know he could play it, but after listening to Lewis' comments about his injury I would not want to put him back in CF. He sounds like he will be very risk adverse defending CF in the future. He basically said, I should have just let the double drop and save the risk of injury. Although I would agree in many situations do not risk hurting yourself, in that play he was just running after the ball and jumped for it. If he will not be willing to go all out and jump for balls without hitting walls, he will not be a good defender in CF. Not saying he should not have such a mind set, but can you think if Hunter had that thought process?- 32 replies
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Depending how this season goes, I would bet at least 2 get QO if not extensions. A one year deal is up the alley of what they would looking for Gray or Maeda if they have good years. I doubt many teams would be offering more than 3 years for either of them.
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5 Questions Facing the Twins Top 5 Prospects in 2023
Trov replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
For Lee my question is where will he play if he makes his debut. I believe this will be dictated on health. I only believe he will get called up under one of two situations. First, injuries and that will most likely decide where he plays. With SS locked up, he will most likely play either 3rd or 2nd when there are injuries. I do not think he will get called up to be a bench player though. The other way he gets called up is he just tears up AA and AAA and forces his way. This will only be if regulars struggle though, again he will not ride bench and be part time guy. Lewis, I have similar question, where will he play defense. I think he will be given a chance quickly, unless rehab games do not go well. However same thing with Lee, who does he take over for? I think injuries and performance will decide this, but assuming everyone healthy and no major struggles who gets the move to bench roll? E-Rod, as I am sure he will start being called, just want to know how does he bounce back from the big injury and missing so much time. He was looking like a guy that was going to move quickly last year. If he can come out the gate and repeat, will he be second half call up after injuries or trades of OF depth? I do not think Twins will feel they need to push him, but if he similar to Lee tries to force moves, and Twins need more pen guys do we trade some of our many OF guys and bring him up? Raya just can he pitch a full year. Until he shows he can pitch a full year I will not be big on him. Julien, just when does he make his debut. He will at some point, and will he slot into 1b, even out of camp? With reports AK is behind rehab, do we break with Julien as main 1b? I doubt we do, but if he forces his way on I think that is main path for him.- 31 replies
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Ryan Jeffers is Facing an Uphill Battle
Trov replied to Ted Wiedmann's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Personally, I think both the areas he needs to improve on defense wise is because that is areas the Twins were willing to have less of to improve pitch framing. Much has been talked about the set up of having one knee on the ground. The idea of that set up is to allow for lower target to help with framing. The Twins have been teaching this set up for catchers for a few years now, even trying to get old school catchers to use it. The problem with that set up, is it will hurt both the blocking and throwing runner out. I mean if you are kneeling on the ground you will not be able to get to feet quickly to throw out a runner, so you throw from knees and use all arm to throw, normally getting less accurate and less power on throw. Back when no teams tried to steal, this was not an issue, but steals have been up, and with new rules expected to go even higher. Also, when blocking pitches it is hard to get out on edges of zone when you are on your knee already. The way the Twins want their catchers to set up, makes them less like to block pitches, and throw out runner. It was all done in hopes of increasing framing. I hope they start to change that up now that steals are up, and we will be moving to robo umps in next few years. Then framing will be pointless, and really the throwing out runner will be a key factor on defense. The issue is not specifically Jeffers, but Twins catchers generally. -
Twins Roster Built on Defense and Rule Changes
Trov replied to Alex Boxwell's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
For all the people attacking the lack of offense last year, I feel like they forget how our expect top offensive guys were hurt the second half of the season. Buck and Polanco were expected to be 2 of our best hitters, and both missed a lot of time. AK and Larnach who we had some counting on missed most of season. I think part of the hope is that just greater health should improve the offense.- 33 replies
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It’s Now or Never for Jordan Balazovic
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I would not say it is now or never for him. As pointed out he is only 24. Everyone's favorite ace from Brewers Mr. Burnes, did not breakout at MLB level until 25. Many other top pitchers for a few years do not break out until 25 to 27. Some burn out by 29, but some go well into 30's. Of course if he does not make progress and falls further down depth chart his time with Twins will be near an end, but I am sure many teams will be willing to take a chance on him if we ever release him. -
Can Edouard Julien Hit Enough to Stick at Second?
Trov replied to Greggory Masterson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The whole article is much of what I have stated for years. You can deal with poor defense if your offense is good, and you can deal with poor offense if your defense is good enough. Rarely will you ever get elite at both, and the ones that are are very highly valued. I am more of a fan of better defense and pitching and would prefer average hitting, over elite hitting and below average defense. Mainly because great pitching and defense can stifle great hitting normally. However, I would agree if Julien can hit at high enough level we could live with him at 2nd, if he needed to. However, will we need him to? We have no set 1B in our system. AK will most likely fill that roll, as long as his wrist can hold up, but I am at the point, I am assuming he will never reach his potential because of the wrist, I hope I am wrong. If he cannot fill in 1B, then really that is wide open for whoever can hit at MLB level. I would also point, if you can upgrade the overall team by pushing Julien to 1B, because you can have similar hitter, but better defender at 2b you should do that. -
Pros and Cons of a Jhoan Duran Extension
Trov replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Every time I read one of these it always seems to be on the side of the should the team do it. I rarely get much of the should the player do it? Normally these early extensions work out much better for the team, or at least we do not hear much about it working out great for the player. Dobnak so far is one that has worked out better for him than team. The only reason Duran should agree to anything is if he is worried about his own health. Provided he stays healthy, he should earn top dollar as a FA. I bet he will get some high level pay in arbitration even if he pitches as well as we expect.- 30 replies
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Twins 2023 Position Analysis: First Base
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The current FO has treated 1B as a not needed defender there. They will throw anyone over there. This has been a clear plan that outside of Sabato, who has not been good in minors overall, they have no one you would slot into 1B in minors. Over the last few years we have rotated several different people there. Personally, I do not like this plan, as a good defending 1B will save your team a ton of errors and extra bases. It is not so much about the stops they make, but the way they field bad throws from other guys. Sure, if a throw is good, just about any MLB talent should be able to play the position. However, when you have a bad defender there you notice it. However, clearly this FO feels you can live with a bad defender there in the long run as they have had no plan to address it. I would not be surprised at all if they give Julian some time there if he hits his way onto the roster and AK is not ready to play.- 41 replies
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I personally have little interest in the WBC. I also wish it was not during spring training. I am not concerned about injuries, they are not any more likely to happen than any other games, other than maybe a pitcher trying to throw more than arm is ready for. I would hope the pitcher would identify that issue before it becomes one. Unless the manager for the team does not care about that. However, there is really no good time to fit this in. Before season, you run risk of too much too soon. During the season, players will opt out to get rest normally to be ready for team. Post-season, you run into players being banged up and just ready for a break, so they will either opt out or not be healthy. I am glad it is only every 4 years.
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Not sure why you wish him ill will. It is not his fault he was left to the rule 5 a couple of years ago. Even if he does well, it has no effect on the Twins at this point. Now, if you are wishing this so you can defend the choice to leave him on rule 5, I personally do not think that choice needs defending at this point. Once in a great while a team will leave the wrong guy unprotected, but generally, they know what they are doing. In Baddoo's situation, he was young, not played above A ball, and had a lot of holes in game. In our organization he was ranked like 5th or 6th OF, and most likely would still be in minors for us, only making some games due to injuries from guys above. Unless you can go back and point to someone you would have left off the 40 man that year for Baddoo, there is no point in complaining he was left off it. It was him or someone else. I am sure every team wishes they could keep every player they wanted without worrying about 40 man rosters, years in organization, and service time. But those times are gone.
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The Twins Dark Horse Designated Hitter
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Very few teams want to slot a guy of his age into just DH roll. Twins even more since trading Cruz away have used DH as a way to give a normal starter a break in the field for the day while keeping bat in line up. I doubt Julien breaks camp to be a regular DH. Also, teams are unlikely to call up top prospects to ride bench. Unless they will be using Julien almost every day he will not break camp with Twins. As health continues to impact team he could break camp for that reason, but I find it very unlikely he breaks to DH. I know he is not a major defender, but I would bet if they wanted Julien to break camp, he would start at 2nd over Polanco and Polanco would DH more often.- 34 replies
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The problem with this model is Buck generally does not get hurt from fielding, but from hitting and running bases. Yes, he has had a few injuries from fielding, but over the years most of his injuries come from hitting and running. Look at last year, the knee came from the slide at second, DH would not stop that, only sitting, but if he is sitting he is not helping. Then later in year he hurt his hip again. The year prior he missed most of his time with hip issue after running bases. He has missed time from being hit by pitches, foul balls of foot, slides, and just running bases. No amount of DH will help that.
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Be Prepared for a New Look Twins Team
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The overall success of this team will come mainly down to the pen. However, timely hitting will be important too. Last year we did not have great timely hitting most of the year. Rocco leans on his pen a ton, mainly not allowing any starters, unless there is a huge lead, to go a full third time through order. This means he is normally asking minimum 3 but normally 4 innings from his pen every game. He also normally is only asking they do 1 inning at a time. So really looking at about 4 to 5 pitchers each game. If anyone struggles in a game it can blow up the whole game. Personally, not a fan of this plan, but they work the plan. That is why I believe it will come down to pen. It seems even if a guy is doing well, the second they allow 1 runner the third trip through the line up, they get the hook, unless the lead is huge. I am sure there is a little more to it, but sure seems to be the deciding factor.- 44 replies
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Meet The New Ball. Same as the Old Ball?
Trov replied to Peter Labuza's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I say build a team that can hit line drives and hit them hard. The rest will take care of themselves. There will be power hitters always, but after 2019, everyone had power. Records were falling all over the place. Then yes, the ball became dead, and players were expecting same results. I remember a few balls early in year last year I thought were crushed, to be caught on the track. I agree MLB needs to stop changing it up and go with 1 type every game every year. It is hard to judge a player year to year when one year the ball is a super ball flying out, then next year it is like hitting a pillow. Guys like Mitch Garver get the years of but what if they hit like 2019. Outside of 2019, Mitch has done little at the plate power wise. He has had health issues, but even if you stretch out the games he has never been close to what he did in 2019. He was not alone, and it messed with many fans. We were thinking we had a huge HR hitting team, and doubled down on it, only to having wall scrapers. Players had to adjust.

