Twins Daily 2018 Top Prospects: #2 Fernando Romero

Wow.  Bullish on Romero.

Hasn't been to AAA level yet.  Fewer innings than many prospects.  Decent stats.  Better raw stuff. 

And,

Hope you are right.

I could see Romero getting a cup this September in a couple of relief appearances. I think he ends up around 150 innings in AA and AAA; thus, won't have enough gas in the tank to contribute as a Starter for the Twins this year. 2019 look out though! If this kid can consistently pitch 6-8 innings/game throughout the 1st half of 2019 he'll be on the Twins' staff after the All-Star Break. He's definitely one to watch this year. Just like with Berrios a couple years ago, he'll need to show consistency before joining The Show for good.

wow .330 BABIP.  Puts the last month in perspective.  He was great but had some bad luck.  Let's get him going strong.  Hope he can debut this year.

I absolutely agree turning out to be a top bullpen arm is nothing to sneeze at! But what just kills me at times is how little faith some have in him as a still developing SP option and want to see him move to the pen now or hope he can do that late in 2018. I get that he could help the club initially in that role. Others have before. And some want to look at IP the last couple of seasons and a late fade to proclaim him as a pen option.

He's only 23yo until late December 2018. He missed 2 FULL SEASONS due to injury and can sling it like he does! Developmentally, on the mound, he's a 21yo. We all hate the word "patience". In our daily lives, and also in regard to the Twins finding top rotation arms. But to be down on a 23yo still building up full season endurance and harnessing his change with the kind of dominance he's shown when healthy is just crazy. Let him continue to develop, start the season at Chattanooga maybe and promote him after a month or so. Let's just say he doesn't debut until 2019. You'd think a then 24yo with his arm arriving at some point that season would be slow or bad?

Love the potential of this kid!

I'm not hoping he ends up in the pen. I only suggested that he may have to shift to the pen at the end of next year if he gets a cup of coffee with the Twins due to innings limitations.

Okay, before Brusdar came along, Romero was my EXST/GCL buddy, during his rehab process of first TJS and then knee surgery, Fern was out there every single day watching the games (EXST, GCL, ST, Instructs, etc) something he didn't have to do.  If you listen closely you can hear him in countless videos of mine talking and talking or pulling out my leg hair followed by my screaming.  And nothing beats having Romero scream across the baseball fields "Dr. Jon you made it!"  

So with my stated bro-crush on Fernando, I'll say that I've always saw him as a late inning shut down reliever and that he could be doing right now.  I say that for other reasons that most point out, namely his bull like demeanor on the mound, his max effort delivery and that he's always been obsessed with the gun.  I can't count how many times during his rehab process he'd ask me between innings what his fastball was reading on the guns. Still if he can further develop the change and stay healthy, he's a top of the rotation starter so this year is good barometer for future usage.

Here are a few videos I took on Fernando "El Toro" Romero over the last year or so:

5/14/16 Pitching in Extended Spring Training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaPQ5AbVKvg

9/23/16 Pitching in Instructional League

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCTpUzL6pXo

4/1/17 Pitching in Spring Training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku7iISWMGu8

I absolutely agree turning out to be a top bullpen arm is nothing to sneeze at! But what just kills me at times is how little faith some have in him as a still developing SP option and want to see him move to the pen now or hope he can do that late in 2018. I get that he could help the club initially in that role. Others have before. And some want to look at IP the last couple of seasons and a late fade to proclaim him as a pen option.

 

He's only 23yo until late December 2018. He missed 2 FULL SEASONS due to injury and can sling it like he does! Developmentally, on the mound, he's a 21yo. We all hate the word "patience". In our daily lives, and also in regard to the Twins finding top rotation arms. But to be down on a 23yo still building up full season endurance and harnessing his change with the kind of dominance he's shown when healthy is just crazy. Let him continue to develop, start the season at Chattanooga maybe and promote him after a month or so. Let's just say he doesn't debut until 2019. You'd think a then 24yo with his arm arriving at some point that season would be slow or bad?

 

Love the potential of this kid!

No, it wouldn't be bad. The problem is that then you've used 2 options before he even debuts.

That's where the 2 years of lost development tempt you to try to push him up a little more aggressively.

Still like him as a starter, and the Twins need him as a starter.  After Romero next Twins starting batch will probably be ready at best in 2020, more likely 2021.  That is the end of the window for the current crop of hitters, not counting the ones the Twins extend.  I still feel the Twins will probably extend 2-3 and see how the rest fall out.

He's only 23yo until late December 2018. He missed 2 FULL SEASONS due to injury and can sling it like he does! Developmentally, on the mound, he's a 21yo. We all hate the word "patience". In our daily lives, and also in regard to the Twins finding top rotation arms. But to be down on a 23yo still building up full season endurance and harnessing his change with the kind of dominance he's shown when healthy is just crazy. Let him continue to develop, start the season at Chattanooga maybe and promote him after a month or so. Let's just say he doesn't debut until 2019. You'd think a then 24yo with his arm arriving at some point that season would be slow or bad?

Love the potential of this kid!

You had me at patience.

Reading on how Molitor views Romero, it's pretty clear he'd like him in the bullpen.  He raves about his bullpen upside, then says, "...but they say he has potential as a starter."  Well, I'm glad to see he's willing to give him a shot.  This kid's getting close to the cusp of The Show.  Just see it through and do things right.  Haven't had a pitcher hyped like this since Liriano.  When he gets his shot, if he has a breakout season 1/2 as good as Liriano's short-lived '06, I'd be thrilled.  Keep that kid healthy.

The most encouraging thing for me as a Twins fan is to see 4 pitchers in the Top 10 who all have a change to be a 1, 2 or at least a #3 type pitcher in a rotation. Then to have Thorpe, Littell and Jorge not far behind is also encouraging. We have lacked starting pitching development for so long. It's nice to see the  next wave of starters will be home grown.

I've decided that, until they actually prove otherwise, I choose to believe our number 3 can play major league shortstop and our number 2 will be a starter.  Makes me happier.

We know how impossible it is to get #1 starters in Minnesota. We couldn't draft them; we couldn't develop them when we traded for them (Meyer and May); and we know we'll never pay the money for great free agents. That is why it is so important to give these young prospects as much time in the minors as they need to work on the pitches they haven't perfected yet. We may have rushed Berrios his first year.

If Romero's fastball and slider are plus pitches already, work on the changeup as much as needed in the minors to make that into a plus pitch. Don't be afraid to sacrifice minor league stats to better your chances of dominating at the ML level. If he comes up at the end of a season close to an innings limit, we can talk about being a reliever--at most for one season. It scares me when we turn guys like Meyer, May, and other top prospects into relievers after having failed at harvesting their potential as starters. Let's hope Falvine has better success than Terry Ryan had. I truly believe they will.

He can be our '16 Berrios candidate, though hopefully with better results.

If he can develop a reliable changeup, he's got a big future as a starter, I think. I'd love to see him get 150 innings or so between AA-AAA while working on that changeup and refining his control a little.

I don't want him to go to the bullpen unless he flames out as a starter. Sure, it's be nice to see him flinging that gas at people in the late innings and watching people flail at the slider to close things out, but I want to see what he can do as a starter. He's got two plus pitches and if he can make a little more out of that changeup he could be an ace. Let's give him the chance.

Can we just ignore the BA list now? It is such an outlier.....

As for Romero..... If they are in serious contention after the ASB, he should be in Minnesota in the bullpen. He can always be stretched back out. You only get so many years of good okaty, health, and luck. Continuing to always wait for next year gets you hope, with little to show for it.

If he's a shutdown bullpen arm, and they are a legit team, he should be here.

agreed, he needs to be in MN at some time this year. If not wouldn't it be his 3rd option?

I don’t see why he can’t start in AAA, especially because it’s been proven his last 4 starts we’re poor due to injury, not just poor performance by its self. If Romero has a 140-150 innings limit why should 40-60 innings be at AA? Shouldn’t we push him up faster? I mean I’d rather not see Romero in AA and Thorpe in A+ given their innings limits. I’d rather see by the end of the year Romero on the verge of pitching in the bigs and Thorpe in AAA. Also, I hope the Twins try to make Romero stick as a starter, with his arsenal he projects higher then most (save Graterol, Enlow, and possibly Thorpe). Just to give up and stick him in the bullpen seems sad and misguided when there is hope he can be a top of the line starter. And I am not worried if he only has an average change, you know who else has that? Carlos Martinez of the St Louis Cardinals and he is fairly close to what Romero can be as a starter.

Part of the reason he'd start in AA is the depth the Twins currently have at pitching.

Twins: Santana, Berrios, Gibson, Odorizzi and Mejia

AAA Starters:  Slegers, Gonsalves, Jorge, Enns and Huges/Littel/May

I hope he improves the timing between his arm and his back leg, which really lags in the Bob Sacamento videos. It’s hard to tell how much he’s using his core, but the sharp angles his shoulder goes through is what could lead to impingement.

I believe you are talking about his hip to shoulder separation which I do have concerns about (aka his torque). 

The way to assess hip-shoulder separation is to look at the pitcher just as he begins trunk rotation, which should take place just after foot strike for a well-timed delivery, to evaluate the position of the shoulder axis as it compares to angle of hip rotation. A pitcher who loads the upper body by twisting the torso will increase the angle of hip-shoulder separation, as will a pitcher who allows the hips to rotate further by delaying trunk rotation after foot strike.

 

Momentum and torque are the power grades, representing the kinetic energy that is flowing through the system, and pitchers who grade well on these two categories tend to fall into the “violent” bin. Part of the explanation for the assumed violence is that high-energy pitchers often struggle to stabilize the motion, resulting in issues with repetition and pitch command.

As a Chiropractor and Kinesiologist (not Applied Kinesiology that stuffs fake), I'm a big NPA/Tom House/Doug Thorburn fan, so when I look at pitching I look at six key factors: Torque, Momentum, Balance, Posture, Release and Repetition.  

Here's a great article Thorburn wrote (I quoted it above) with detailed explanations and videos on each that can help the layman understand:

Part One

Part Two

Twins may want to start him at AA so he pitches early on in warmer weather at Chattanooga rather than in Rochester. Especially for some of the Dominican players, early April in Rochester (not to mention Minnesota) will be very cold and tougher on their arms.