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    Who Will Be the Unlucky Player That Makes Way for Royce Lewis?


    Matthew Taylor

    As Royce Lewis nears his much-anticipated return to the Minnesota Twins lineup, the team faces a difficult decision: who should be sent down to make room for the talented third baseman?

     

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    As the Twins decide who they will send down to make room for Royce Lewis, there are several factors to consider. First of all, they will almost certainly be sending down a hitter. In addition, there are a handful of key players on the team that are clearly not options. Ryan Jeffers, Carlos Correa, Max Kepler, Willi Castro, Christian Vasquez, Byron Buxton, and Carlos Santana are assuredly staying on the roster. That leaves six potential players on the hot seat. Here they are, each with their own set of pros and cons.

    Jose Miranda
    Sending down Jose Miranda would be the cleanest switch, as both he and Lewis are third basemen, and prior to his latest promotion, many had moved on from Miranda as a future hopeful for the Twins. However, Miranda has been playing well, making this move less appealing. On the season Miranda has a 116 OPS+ with decent defense at third base. His solid performance at the plate has been a boon for the Twins, and disrupting that could have negative repercussions for the team's momentum. In addition, after Royce comes back, Miranda can spell Lewis at third while also filling in at first base and designated hitter. 

    Trevor Larnach
    While Trevor Larnach has been hitting well, with a 118 OPS+ since his promotion in mid-April, he has often been the odd man out in the past when roster adjustments were needed. Larnach’s role has mostly been as a designated hitter over the past month, a position that could easily be filled by Miranda or Lewis after he returns this weekend. However, sending down a player performing well at the plate is always a tough call, and Larnach’s contributions shouldn't be underestimated.

    Alex Kirilloff
    Alex Kirilloff is in a similar situation to Larnach due to his nature of being a left-handed corner bat. The truth is, though, Kirilloff hasn’t been hitting well recently. In the month of May, Kirilloff is hitting just .164 with a 17/6 K/BB ratio. However, it’s hard to forget Kirilloff’s once-promising status as a star prospect. The Twins are going to need to decide soon if Kirilloff is going to have a future with this franchise, and sending him down to the minors wouldn’t be a move to help make that decision.

    Edouard Julien
    Edouard Julien has been struggling mightily offensively, making him a logical choice for a demotion. In the month of May, Juilen is hitting just .186 with a terribly concerning 29 strikeouts compared to just nine walks. Some time down in St. Paul to rightsize his swing wouldn’t be the worst thing. However, his strong defensive play and the Twins’ future plans for him complicate the decision. The team may be hesitant to send down a player they view as a key part of their long-term strategy despite his current hitting woes.

    Kyle Farmer
    Kyle Farmer is in the last year of his contract and has struggled at the plate. On the season, Farmer is sporting just a 52 OPS+. A mark in Farmer’s favor, though, is that he’s a clubhouse favorite, and his leadership qualities add intangible value. In addition, if he is taken off the roster, unlike the candidates above, sending down Farmer could mean the organization loses him completely. While sending him down could free up a roster spot, the Twins might be reluctant to disrupt team chemistry by moving a player so well-liked by his teammates.

    Manuel Margot
    Designating Manuel Margot for assignment (DFA) seems to be the most logical choice. Margot has been one of the team's worst hitters and can't play center field, limiting his utility. Additionally, the Twins have no plans to retain him for next year, making him the most straightforward choice to create space for Lewis. Furthermore, the Twins have other players like Willi Castro and Austin Martin, who can fill the same roles that Margot does, making him even more expendable.

    Ultimately, the decision will hinge on balancing short-term performance with long-term potential and team dynamics. Given Margot’s poor performance, lack of future commitment, and the presence of versatile players like Castro and Martin who can cover his role, he stands out as the most sensible option to be DFA’d. This move would create the necessary space for Lewis while minimally impacting the team's overall performance and future prospects.


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    9 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    As much as I complain about the plan to roster three short side guys and platoon heavy like they do. I don't believe it is wise to change plans in the middle of the season so... they should keep going on the planned path and hopefully try something else next year. 

    With that said... If Miranda is to stay... A right hander for a right hander would be eye for an eye. The players with options are all left handed with the exception of course being... Miranda.  

    The plan isn't working. Sticking with it is bad management. I have no idea why Margot should be on this roster at this point. Other than that was the plan

    4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    The plan isn't working. Sticking with it is bad management. I have no idea why Margot should be on this roster at this point. Other than that was the plan

    Agreed but it's hard to change when I'm sure they are playing the long game.

    They will not abandon this platoon model. As long as you need 3 short side bats to keep it going... you will need 3 short side replacements to jettison these short side guys off the roster. I just don't see that happening and switching mid-season is hard to do. 

     

    13 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

    I would give Kepler some starts against lefties sitting him no more than once a week. He would replace Farmer in the line up against some left handed pitching..

    I would play Kepler every day and that's why I choose Margot... Although... It is important to point out... that I would have cut Kepler last June. 😉

    Your model though... Absolutely renders Farmer next to useless. 

    15 minutes ago, Minderbinder said:

    If they cut Manny, Lewis can play left too, and Larnach also can play right.

    I'd love to see Lewis use his flexibility. It opens up a lot of doors.

    Rumors are that he would rather remain static and the Twins seem to agree.   

    8 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    The plan isn't working. Sticking with it is bad management. I have no idea why Margot should be on this roster at this point. Other than that was the plan

    The plan was to improve their line up against a left handed starter.

    In games started by a lefty few players on the roster have put up better numbers than Margot. He has a team best OBP of .370 in those games and OPS of .810. Castro and Miranda have better OPS. Kepler also has a better OPS often as a sub.

    39 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    I can't argue with your logic... which is solid as usual. 

    I just can't see them cutting Farmer and what's left of the 6 million. I actually don't see them cutting Margot either even though he gets my vote.

    I think it will end up being a player with options barring injury to anybody of course.  

     

    Agreed, while I think Farmer should be the one to go, and believe there to be a strong chance, I hear Larnach has been DHing almost exclusively because he’s fighting a foot injury, certainly likely/possible he gets the Il stint to recover from it, or one of Larnach/Kirilloff getting demoted

    4 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

    The plan was to improve their line up against a left handed starter.

    In games started by a lefty few players on the roster have put up better numbers than Margot. He has a team best OBP of .370 in those games and OPS of .810. Castro and Miranda have better OPS. Kepler also has a better OPS often as a sub.

    This is misleading at best. Margot is hitting .269/.328/.365 vs LH pitching this year. 

    An his OF defense has been bad as well.

    It's a wasted roster spot.

    2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

    This is misleading at best. Margot is hitting .269/.328/.365 vs LH pitching this year. 

    An his OF defense has been bad as well.

    It's a wasted roster spot.

    I didn’t intend to mislead. It is simply the data when the Twins have faced a left handed starter. He is 2/30 as a sub. 

    22 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

    Agreed, while I think Farmer should be the one to go, and believe there to be a strong chance, I hear Larnach has been DHing almost exclusively because he’s fighting a foot injury, certainly likely/possible he gets the Il stint to recover from it, or one of Larnach/Kirilloff getting demoted

    Kepler would return to every day... If Farmer is the choice: 

    RH/LH Multi Position

    DH - Kiriloff/Miranda

    C - Jeffers/Vazquez 

    1B - Miranda/Santana

    2B - Julien/Castro

    3B - Lewis

    SS - Correa

    LF - Larnach/Margot

    CF - Buxton

    RF - Kepler

    Julien or Kiriloff. And it’s not punishment like some people think. Both might be part of our future but both need to hit. I’m not sure letting their confidence get obliterated in the big leagues is helpful right now. One aspect of the platoon discussion is that it isn’t only the short side platoon players that have disappointed. Julien and Wallner have been really bad and Larnach only recently reviving himself. 

    Unfortunately, if I was the front office, I'd make a move that could easily be reversed because Lewis'' history shows it's highly unlikely he will be able to remain healthy.   I know Lewis can be an exceptional player (if healthy) and I'd love for him to be a long-term Twin, but so far his injury history is not on his side.

    It's a tough decision, because the Twins have 3 (Farmer, Margot, Santana) veterans that don't currently provide enough value for a team trying to win games in a surprisingly strong division.

    2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    My guess? A good young player so they can have bad depth. 

    My want? Margot, Farmer, or Santana. I mean, I'd do Margot and Farmer right now and bring up kiersey and Lewis. Once Wallner is right, bring him up and move on from Santana. 

    Kiersey just got put on the IL in AAA, so he can't be brought up right now.

    3 hours ago, bean5302 said:

    It's an obvious choice of Kirilloff to me. No defensive value. Limited value at the plate. Never had a good season in his entire career.
    2021 = 0.3 fWAR (Scrub)
    2022 = (0.5) fWAR (AA player caliber)
    2023 = 0.6 fWAR (Scrub)
    2024 = 0.1 fWAR (Scrub)

    Not sure how much more people need to see of Kirilloff to come to the conclusion he's a bust, but I've seen plenty. In fact, if the season ended today, I'd non-tender him.

    This is a defensible position. He has little left to learn in AAA but he's not doing enough to keep his MLB roster spot.

    1 hour ago, PaddyO said:

    Margot is the obvious choice but Julian needs to stop swinging for the fences with every swing and get back to who he was last year.  Let Larnach get a full season.  Go Twins!

     

     

    I agree whole heartedly.  I've been saying for weeks "Julian got a quick 7 homers to start the season and now seems to think he might be Joey Gallo".  He leads the team in strike-outs, and that just cannot be.  It is claimed that he knows the strike zone so well,  then he needs to start protecting the plate when he has two strikes on him.  And stop trying to hit the ball to Mars.  It may be necessary to send him to St. Paul with the idea of greatly improving his batting average.  Oh,  and by the way,  welcome to TD.

    7 hours ago, PaddyO said:

    Margot is the obvious choice but Julian needs to stop swinging for the fences with every swing and get back to who he was last year.  Let Larnach get a full season.  Go Twins!

     

     

    His hard hit rate is down, as is his pull rate, while his oppo rate is up. His fly ball rate is up, and he’s swinging at fewer pitches in the zone, while swinging at more pitches out of the zone.

    Usually when hitters are swing for the fences too much, they try to pull too many pitches and roll over the top. He’s going oppo more and getting more loft.

    he might benefit from trying to hit homers more

    I've lost count but I think this about the tenth article asking the same question.   The replies and arguments haven't changed and no one knows what the front office is going to do.  As my magic eight ball is telling me - "All will be revealed soon!".   And when it does happen, then the same thoughts will be revealed and argued in multiple articles.

    I've thought about this so long and hard the past couple of weeks it makes my brain cramp. But after a TON of thought and examination, the answer has become obvious, Margot needs to go, barring any sort of injury that changes the situation.

    1] Despite a sudden 7-10 games where he's actually produced a little offense, he's still barely league average in OPS against LHP. He's so far down against RHP that it embarrasses ME. He's got little power, his speed has greatly diminished, and his once valued defense has become average at best.

    2] The OF against LHP is obvious without Margot. Kepler in RF...having a surprising year against same side arms..Buxton in CF...and Castro in LF. This just isn't that hard. 

    2A] Don't talk to me about a Buxton inury. You can bring Martin back up...who's doing just fine after his demotion...OR, add Keirsey OR the often forgotten about Helman, raking after a slow start if you want a different and more versatile RH bat, to sub defensively. 

    3] Some have mentioned Farmer as a roster cut. So far, he's just not the same player he was in 2023. And ZERO disrespect to Margot as a person or teammate, but Farmer has team "credit" already built up. On top of that, the "next guy up" is either Lee or Anthony Prato. UNFORTUNATELY, one is still rehabbing, and one is having a surprisingly poor season at AAA so far. In a weird twist of fate, Helman is the "next man up" for the INF until Lee is ready. So Farmer is safe for now because he can play across the dirt effectively. 

    4] Julien is a TALENT. It's possible he knows the STIKE ZONE better than most umps. But he HAS to ADJUST. That means NOT just trusting what he thinks he knows, but adjusting his approach to look for something earlier in the zone. Larnach has made serious adjustments and keeps plugging along like a legitimate ML hitter. To send him down while adapting and productive would not only be a HUGE mistake...just look at the numbers...it might rob him of the confidence and approach he's built up now. Kirilloff started strong, went in to the tank, but has been coming out of his recent funk. His last 15 games mediocre, but his last 7 games are powerful and productive. 

    A few decent games notwithstanding, Margot has NOT produced, and is NOT part of the future. He's the easy choice!

    Farmer is, unfortunately, living on borrowed time. I can easily see Lee up around July 1st, playing all over, giving breaks to players, and establishing himself for 2025 and beyond.

    So much angst about who goes only because we've bought in to the depth idea the FO has sold us? And I'll admit, I generally LOVE the idea of depth EVERYWHERE for the Twins, the Vikings, or my beloved Huskers. I get and enjoy the idea of depth for the Twins to make sure we have the best team we can have season to season. But best laid plans don't aways work the way you want them to and you need to adjust.

    Margot is gone. You've got options.

    Farmer is probably next at some point.

    Keep the guys doing well, and who might be part of the future. It's just not that hard!

    Margot needs to be gone. He is--in no way--remotely close to being a deserving position player on this team. This should be obvious. Julien, Kirilloff, et al are not going to benefit from time back in the minors. Keep your best players playing with the team. It is simple.

    10 hours ago, DocBauer said:

    I've thought about this so long and hard the past couple of weeks it makes my brain cramp. But after a TON of thought and examination, the answer has become obvious, Margot needs to go, barring any sort of injury that changes the situation.

    1] Despite a sudden 7-10 games where he's actually produced a little offense, he's still barely league average in OPS against LHP. He's so far down against RHP that it embarrasses ME. He's got little power, his speed has greatly diminished, and his once valued defense has become average at best.

    2] The OF against LHP is obvious without Margot. Kepler in RF...having a surprising year against same side arms..Buxton in CF...and Castro in LF. This just isn't that hard. 

    2A] Don't talk to me about a Buxton inury. You can bring Martin back up...who's doing just fine after his demotion...OR, add Keirsey OR the often forgotten about Helman, raking after a slow start if you want a different and more versatile RH bat, to sub defensively. 

    3] Some have mentioned Farmer as a roster cut. So far, he's just not the same player he was in 2023. And ZERO disrespect to Margot as a person or teammate, but Farmer has team "credit" already built up. On top of that, the "next guy up" is either Lee or Anthony Prato. UNFORTUNATELY, one is still rehabbing, and one is having a surprisingly poor season at AAA so far. In a weird twist of fate, Helman is the "next man up" for the INF until Lee is ready. So Farmer is safe for now because he can play across the dirt effectively. 

    4] Julien is a TALENT. It's possible he knows the STIKE ZONE better than most umps. But he HAS to ADJUST. That means NOT just trusting what he thinks he knows, but adjusting his approach to look for something earlier in the zone. Larnach has made serious adjustments and keeps plugging along like a legitimate ML hitter. To send him down while adapting and productive would not only be a HUGE mistake...just look at the numbers...it might rob him of the confidence and approach he's built up now. Kirilloff started strong, went in to the tank, but has been coming out of his recent funk. His last 15 games mediocre, but his last 7 games are powerful and productive. 

    A few decent games notwithstanding, Margot has NOT produced, and is NOT part of the future. He's the easy choice!

    Farmer is, unfortunately, living on borrowed time. I can easily see Lee up around July 1st, playing all over, giving breaks to players, and establishing himself for 2025 and beyond.

    So much angst about who goes only because we've bought in to the depth idea the FO has sold us? And I'll admit, I generally LOVE the idea of depth EVERYWHERE for the Twins, the Vikings, or my beloved Huskers. I get and enjoy the idea of depth for the Twins to make sure we have the best team we can have season to season. But best laid plans don't aways work the way you want them to and you need to adjust.

    Margot is gone. You've got options.

    Farmer is probably next at some point.

    Keep the guys doing well, and who might be part of the future. It's just not that hard!

    I agree with everything you said, but you spelled "beloved Gophers" wrong.

    😂

    My vote would be to dump Margot.  But perhaps the geniuses in the FO will make it simple and "find"  a player to put on the I jury list.  As a side note:  I can't stand this platoon system especially with the younger players and prospects.  How are they going to develop when they wind up being part time players?  How do you judge Miranda, Kiriloff. Larnach, Julienne, etc al when they play so sporadically?  I think the Twins are hurting the development of their younger talent.  A good bench is fine but this strict adherence to platooning is ridiculous.  Most of your best teams play a regular lineup day in day out barring injuries.  Of course it's impossible to KNOW if the Twins would be better or not since they only play the way they do.  Anyway Go Twins.

    On 6/1/2024 at 11:20 AM, Riverbrian said:

    If it's Julien

    Right/Left - Multi-Position

    DH - Kirilloff/Miranda 

    C - Jeffers/Vazquez

    1B - Miranda/Santana

    2B - Castro/Farmer

    3B - Lewis

    SS - Correa

    LF - Larnach/Castro

    CF - Buxton

    RF - Kepler/Margot

     

    According to reports... It is Julien (probably) going down to make room for Lewis.  

    Right hander for the Yanks on Tuesday. Left hander on Wednesday so it'll only take two games to discover Rocco's platoon rotation.

    What I laid out above on Saturday seems to be the only platoon rotation that makes sense. 

    1. Castro will have to assume Julien's Role at 2B against right handers. Farmer remains short side 2B as Castro moves to LF against the lefties. 

    2. Correa, Buxton, Lewis, Castro and Miranda are the 5 players who will play against both hands. 

    3. Farmer's playing time will increase because Castro will have to abandon his 2B post to play CF and SS when Buxton and Correa need maintenance days and they will get maintenance days.  

    4. Castro becomes very difficult to take out of the lineup. Farmer will also face the right hander at 2B if Castro ever gets a day off. 

    5. Miranda, Kirilloff and Larnach can rotate the DH spot against right handers. With Kirilloff playing some 1B and LF.

    6. Rocco does have the option of throwing Jeffers into the DH vs Right Handers mix to get him some extra playing time on those Vazquez starts. Jeffers was locking down the DH spot vs left handers. His DH time if it happens... will now happen when Right Handers are on the mound. Otherwise We shouldn't see Jeffers in the DH spot against lefties and this should knock down Vazquez's playing time down from 50% to 33%. Jeffers two out of three is my guess. 

    7. When a left hander is on the mound. Miranda should lock into DH and Santana should be a lock at 1B. 

    8. The platooned lefties: Kepler, Kirilloff and Larnach.

    9.  The short siders: Farmer, Margot and Santana. 

    10. What happened to that log jam?

     

     

     

     

    The above post and all the time posting about platoons by @Riverbrianhas brought me to a conclusion. It is established that right handers hit same side pitchers better than left handers do, probably due to repetition and familiarity. This front office acknowledges this by their intense platooning of left handed batters. They also tend to stock the farm with leftys. Why? If rightys are more versatile and platoon proof, why have more than 3 maybe 4 leftys in your regular lineup? Wouldn't right handed bats be more coveted? 

    54 minutes ago, wabene said:

    The above post and all the time posting about platoons by @Riverbrianhas brought me to a conclusion. It is established that right handers hit same side pitchers better than left handers do, probably due to repetition and familiarity. This front office acknowledges this by their intense platooning of left handed batters. They also tend to stock the farm with leftys. Why? If rightys are more versatile and platoon proof, why have more than 3 maybe 4 leftys in your regular lineup? Wouldn't right handed bats be more coveted? 

    It's a good question.

    Which brings us back to the bigger issue. Righties may be more platoon proof but 75% of pitchers are right handed and there is still a platoon disparity. 

    With Julien sent down. If health remains... it won't... but if health remains. 

    The Roster is now: 

    3 left handed hitters

    8 right handed hitters

    2 switch hitters

    Starting lineups against lefties will be 9 in the right handed batter's box with one extra. The extra will be the catcher spot. They are loaded up to the hilt against left handed pitching. 

    Starting lineups against righties will be 4 in the right handed batter's box with two extra (Margot and Farmer) plus the catcher spot for the 3rd extra and 5 in the left handed batters box with one extra (Santana). 

    I'll continue to claim that this is backwards since 75% of the pitching is right handed. Yes... the platoon split is larger lefty against lefty but if the Twins really want to play the platoon split... they need more left handers because of all the right handed pitching. The split may not be as big righty against righty but the platoon advantage is still there.  

    Replacing Farmer and Margot with left handed bats will balance things better against the primary hand.  

    Let's say they bring Julien back to replace Farmer. Or Brooks Lee for those who really really want that. And just for fun... Let's call up Keirsey. Or... ERod for those who really really really want that. We could even put Wallner into consideration. 

    Here is your starting lineup against those 75% right handers

    DH - Larnach

    C- Jeffers

    1B - Kirilloff 

    2B - Julien or Lee

    3B - Lewis

    SS - Correa

    LF - (Keirsey or Erod or Wallner)

    CF - Buxton

    RF - Kepler

    Extras - Miranda, Castro and Santana and Vazquez.

    These extras will provide better cover against the 75% of right handed pitchers that they will face... when injuries occur. We have options to turn to when players struggle against the primary hand. As it stands right now Farmer, Margot and Santana will have to provide the cover and they are below average against right handers and therefore... not decent cover.    

    Against those 25% left handers. 

    DH - Miranda

    C - Jeffers

    1B - Santana 

    2B - (Julien or Lee)

    3B - Lewis

    SS - Buxton

    LF - Castro

    CF - Buxton

    RF - Kepler

    Extras - Larnach, Kirilloff, (Keirsey or Erod or Wallner) and Vazquez. All you have to do is let a couple of lefties hit against left handers and that will occur 25% of the time. 




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