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    What Harrison Bader Means to Matt Wallner: Anti-Platooners, Rejoice!


    Greggory Masterson

    If you’re among the crowd who prefers that the Twins let their young lefty hitters see lefty pitching, one Rocco Baldelli comment might be cause for optimism.

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    It’s no secret the Twins have liked to employ platoons. At times over the past handful of seasons, the Twins have run out full lineups of right-handed hitters against southpaw starters. It’s a strategy that’s given playing time to righties like Kyle Farmer, Manuel Margot, Donovan Solano, Kyle Garlick, and Jordan Luplow, often at the expense of younger lefty hitters (who aren't all that young anymore) whom many Twins fans have wished to see have a chance at some left-on-left action, like Matt Wallner or Trevor Larnach.

    Well, if that fan is you, then you’re in luck. You know, maybe. On Saturday, manager Rocco Baldelli commented on how he intends to use newly signed outfielder Harrison Bader.

    “He's going to play. We're going to get him a lot of work in left field to reintegrate him out there to left where he hasn't played a ton since college," Baldelli said. "But he has experience out there, so I think we're going to get him out there. At our ballpark, when you're talking about the corners, [that's] a much bigger playing surface than right field.

    "So I think putting one of the best outfielders in the game in left field as opposed to right makes some sense, and there will be times this year where he's going to play some center field, too. But Buck is going to remain our primary center fielder, and Harrison is going to fill that role.”

    Now, this may be reading a bit too deeply into a single quote, but there seems to be something notable here. Bader is going to be working on adapting to playing left field. He has not played outside of center field since 2018, so it might take some time for him to adjust to the different angles, and the Twins intend to first work him out in left, in addition to his work in center—a necessary step as he assumes the role of the team’s fourth outfielder.

    However, the team's choice of left field for him is peculiar. There is validity to preferring a rangy outfielder in left at Target Field, given its dimensions, but focusing on left field limits the Twins’ options a bit.
    Bader will play in one of the corners against lefties, assuming Buxton is also in the lineup. He’s not a prototypical lefty masher, but he’s held his own enough (121 OPS+) to feel fine if he’s giving Wallner or Larnach the day off against a left-handed starter.

    However, if Bader isn’t going to play much right field, the Twins don’t have many other options to start over the lefties.

    There are some questions about which of Brooks Lee, Edouard Julien, Ty France, and Austin Martin will make the team out of camp, but that doesn’t change the calculus. Outside of Bader, Wallner, and Larnach, the only other player on the team who has played an MLB inning in right field is Willi Castro. Castro made 40 appearances in right field in 2022 for the Tigers, four in 2023 for the Twins, and none last season. He’s got twice that number of appearances in center and three times as many in left.

    And let’s talk about Castro. Despite technically hitting right-handed as a switch-hitter, Castro has been a below-average hitter against lefties and has not had a season in which he’s been at least average from the right side of the plate since 2020. If the pitcher is left-handed, Bader is in left field, and Castro is in right, then the Twins are playing a below-average bat in a position where they’ve clearly been apprehensive about playing him. 

    Beyond Castro, the only other right-handed outfielder on the 40-man roster is Martin, who has played left and center field in the majors and has only one appearance in right at any level (2022 at Double-A). His arm troubles have rendered his throwing somewhere around “poor,” and he’s not a leading candidate for a right-field platoon role, if he even gets a roster spot.

    Every other outfielder on the 40-man roster (e.g., Emmanuel Rodriguez, DaShawn Keirsey Jr.) is left-handed. So what does this mean?

    I suppose, if Baldelli’s comments are meaningful and informative (which is a big if), then we might see Wallner or Larnach get the nod against lefties. Maybe it’s an every-other-game thing, but someone has to patrol right field.

    Neither has had much success at all against lefties in their careers. Wallner has a career OPS of .510 (19 OPS+) against lefties, and Larnach isn’t much higher, at .570 (58 OPS+). They both stepped it up a bit last season, with Wallner reaching a .611 OPS (74 OPS+), and Larnach sitting at .579 (63 OPS+). Neither is exciting, and it would be nice to have a real platoon partner for them, but they’re not catastrophically far below Castro’s performance last season (.674 OPS; 89 OPS+).

    We saw Max Kepler get plenty of opportunities against lefties, and although he never mastered it, he eventually reached the point where he was average-ish (102 OPS+ in 2023 and 2024, across 179 plate appearances). He also had a valuable glove no matter whom he was facing, a luxury that Wallner and Larnach don’t have, but beggars can’t be choosers if you’re pining for them to get more opportunities.

    Playing one of the two of them in right field also reduces a little roster bloat. Margot and Farmer were primarily rostered to hit lefties last season. Farmer was a bit above average (112 OPS+) and Margot sat right at league average (101 OPS+). Of course, Twins fans would be ecstatic to see those numbers from Wallner or Larnach against lefties, but those numbers aren’t so high that they justify a platoon role, especially when neither Margot nor Farmer were plus defenders.

    If the Twins do indeed play Bader in left against southpaws and let Wallner and Larnach split time in right, that leaves a little more flexibility on the bench. It also allows the two lefties to acclimate to big-league left-handed pitchers more consistently. Everyone’s happy.

    This is all yarn being spun from a single quote, though. Don’t get your hopes too high. I’m just Greggory.


    John Bonnes contributed to this report.

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    41 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    Oh, you'd definitely put Bader in LF over Larnach if they're your 2 options. But is Bader in LF and France at 1B with Miranda on the bench better than Larnach in left and Miranda DH? Or is Bader in LF, Miranda at 1B, and Larnach at DH the best setup? 

    It's a whole lineup question to me. If Bader is your everyday LFer and France is your everyday 1B then either Larnach or Miranda are sitting. That's my fear with the comments Rocco has made early in camp. 

    I don't understand what they see in Ty France. I don't see him as a better 1B than Miranda or a better DH than Miranda or Larnach. I am hopeful that Zoll takes that toy away from Rocco at the end of spring training because it seems like he will play with it way too much.

    Just now, DJL44 said:

    I don't understand what they see in Ty France. I don't see him as a better 1B than Miranda or a better DH than Miranda or Larnach. I am hopeful that Zoll takes that toy away from Rocco at the end of spring training because it seems like he will play with it way too much.

    They're almost the exact same player. Both aggressive swingers who have questionable power for 1B, bad gloves, and no speed. I'll be incredibly surprised if France doesn't make this team, but hope he's sent packing by the end of April if he isn't performing. At least Bader brings speed and defense and isn't an older clone of a player the Twins already have. Even if I'm not a fan of him being an everyday player.

    France has quite a bit more raw power than Miranda, and it's not like there's no reason to believe France could rebound when you dig into the batted ball stuff compared to his history. He traded some line drives for grounders last year and his bat speed was down a tick which correlates to the reduced pull rate.

    That said, I don't bet on the rebound for a guy who is now in his 30s and clearly should be viewed as a DH, and I don't want him taking experience at 1B away from Miranda.

    2 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

    I guess the thing that makes me nervous is Rocco talking a lot this spring about how these recent veteran signings are going to "play a lot". I'd rather they play if they deserve it? Bader getting more PT in LF rather than just being a backup CF is fine, especially if he's getting starts against LHP over Larnach. But if he's getting a bunch of starts in LF against RHP over Larnach, he'd better be hitting the @&$*! out of the ball, and I'm afraid we'll get a bunch of Bee Ess about how much more valuable his defense is out there than it actually is.

    Last season Larnach had a higher OPS+ than Bader has ever had in his entire career (admittedly, only by a pt). Bader's OPS+ last season was lower than anything Larnach has ever had in any of his seasons in MLB (again, only by 2 pts, but that was also Larnach's rookie season). Bader will produce better defense, but Larnach will produce better offense. If Bader is getting more PT than Larnach, it had better be because of an injury, or the Twins will not be putting out their best lineups.

    I have no patience for the team burying hitting talent behind these veterans this season. None. And frankly, this will be how Baldelli loses the locker room: sitting someone like Larnach if he's hitting like last season for Bader (if he's also hitting like last season) too often is going to cost the team runs and wins and will cause unrest and deserved dissatisfaction. For now, things are probably fine. But there's real danger here.

    Yep, that magical hidden talent that the Twins cannot seem to find.😄

    I'm not sure anyone is opposed to some platoons.... But at some point, you have to let players play thru difficulties. And if you are going to platoon, you need to have actually good partners. 

    As for this specific case, I'm with everyone else. I'll believe it when I see it. They showed how little patience they have last year when they sent Wallner down after his bad start. 

    1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

    Left field in Boston is pretty easy, but I agree with the general idea here. Will be interesting to see what Kepler's glove is like in LF in Philly. 

    Funny how Max is willing to switch positions when he needs a job.

    36 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

    Still BURNS me the Twins gave more opportunities to Kyle Garlick than they did Brent Rooker.

    Well, Rooker got more PA's than Garlick did with the Twins, even if Garlick got more games. but that was because Garlick was there for a limited role: smash LHP, which he did rather effectively the first 2 seasons he was here, when healthy. Unfortunately, he couldn't stay healthy and now his career is probably up unless he wants to keep chasing it in AAA for a while.

    Rooker was bad when he was with the Twins; except for his initial cup of coffee he hit poorly, was rotten defensively, and was out of options. Yes, Twins missed on him, but so did most of baseball: he flunked out for SD & KC (who desperately needed a RH slugger) too and was available for nothing (Oakland took him on waivers). 

    but I hope everyone who is mad about Rooker is backing Eddie Julien to get plenty of playing time this season to figure things out the same way we would have had to with Rooker. Julien's younger, had far more success than Rooker in MLB at the time we moved on from him, and even in his down season of 2024 he added more value (marginally, but it was there). Because you can't complain about the Twins not being more patient with Rooker and also be telling everyone to quit on Julien at the same time.

    I won’t speak for others but I’m guessing many of us would have far less angst about bringing in France, Bader etc. if it was truly best man wins the playing time.  The Twins seem to rely on what their analytics tell them over actual performance (at least sometimes) and it leads to head scratching decisions.

    10 minutes ago, Linus said:

    I won’t speak for others but I’m guessing many of us would have far less angst about bringing in France, Bader etc. if it was truly best man wins the playing time.  The Twins seem to rely on what their analytics tell them over actual performance (at least sometimes) and it leads to head scratching decisions.

    I don't think it's the analytics that are the problem. It's the preference for poorly performing veterans in hopes of a return to form vs younger players/prospects that has a lot of us having tsuris. I kind of doubt the Twins have some proprietary analytical formula that was telling them that Gallo was going to suddenly figure it out again or Margot was just terribly unlucky. they just seem more interested in giving vets a much longer rope.

    And I understand it to a point: when you cut the vet, they're almost always gone from the organization. When you send the prospect down to the minors you can call them back up later. but the risk analysis in letting the vet go seems to be skewed, at least to many of us. yes, losing control of an asset for nothing isn't great, but the asset has to be worth holding on to for it to matter. It really feels like the Twins are still so scarred from 2022 (when they were leading for most of the season, and still had a chance in September to take the division) when they simply ran out of functional players and it killed off the season that they've become very risk adverse to reducing their depth...even when it means keeping underperforming players.

    But that's playing not to lose, not playing to win. And the Twins have better depth in the farm system now than they did in 2022, IMHO, even with player graduating from prospect status. I'd rather they take the risk with guys like Miranda and Julien and Martin than keep throwing ABs at someone like France if they're not performing. I don't want Bader taking too many ABs away from Larnach or Miranda or Wallner, even if he is still a fine defender (and Bader will be taking ABs from Miranda if France get handed 1B and Larnach gets pushed to DH by Bader on the regular).

    Play to win.

    1 hour ago, bean5302 said:

    Still BURNS me the Twins gave more opportunities to Kyle Garlick than they did Brent Rooker.

    Yeah, it sucks. Rooker was a casualty of MLB's reaction to the Bomba Squad. Rooker was likely drafted with that style of baseball in mind, then in 2020 with the deadened ball and the lackluster offensive results for the Twins, they shifted to signing and drafting up the middle contact hitters.

    This team is missing run producers at the moment though.

    2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it" crowd. The Twins have 2 lefties who, assuming health, we all know will make the roster. That's Larnach and Wallner. Julien is often named as a 3rd lefty, but I think that's far from a sure thing (although I saw some video of him swinging yesterday and he does look to have flattened that swing out a little). But there's no other lefty even really mentioned as possible for the opening day roster. You can platoon 3 lefties with no problem. Can really platoon 2 lefties. 

    I don't see how those statements from Rocco are a good thing for Wallner. Castro in right. Martin in the OF. Just because Rocco mentioned LF being bigger at Target Field doesn't mean he's going to put the lefties out there and sit righties when they face a lefty starter. They're going to play everyone. They always do. But those comments don't make me think "oh, he said left so obviously Wallner and Larnach are playing right against lefties." 

    What those statements make me think is that Larnach is going to DH and Bader will get real playing time in left against righties. Castro at 2B and Miranda and France fighting it out at 1B. Bader was on Hot Stove on MLB Network last week and when they asked him about signing with the Twins he mentioned that a big part of the decision was playing time. "The biggest thing is I want to play." He also talks about how in order to keep his career going and get paid he needs the opportunity to play. I think these statements are about far more than platooning in LF. I think Bader is the starting LFer more often than not.

    Its tough to compare Julien's swing this year to last. They were few and far between in 2024 with many AB's having the bat resting on his shoulders taking strike after strike. SWING THE BAT! 

    51 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

    I don't think it's the analytics that are the problem. It's the preference for poorly performing veterans in hopes of a return to form vs younger players/prospects that has a lot of us having tsuris. I kind of doubt the Twins have some proprietary analytical formula that was telling them that Gallo was going to suddenly figure it out again or Margot was just terribly unlucky. they just seem more interested in giving vets a much longer rope.

    And I understand it to a point: when you cut the vet, they're almost always gone from the organization. When you send the prospect down to the minors you can call them back up later. but the risk analysis in letting the vet go seems to be skewed, at least to many of us. yes, losing control of an asset for nothing isn't great, but the asset has to be worth holding on to for it to matter. It really feels like the Twins are still so scarred from 2022 (when they were leading for most of the season, and still had a chance in September to take the division) when they simply ran out of functional players and it killed off the season that they've become very risk adverse to reducing their depth...even when it means keeping underperforming players.

    But that's playing not to lose, not playing to win. And the Twins have better depth in the farm system now than they did in 2022, IMHO, even with player graduating from prospect status. I'd rather they take the risk with guys like Miranda and Julien and Martin than keep throwing ABs at someone like France if they're not performing. I don't want Bader taking too many ABs away from Larnach or Miranda or Wallner, even if he is still a fine defender (and Bader will be taking ABs from Miranda if France get handed 1B and Larnach gets pushed to DH by Bader on the regular).

    Play to win.

    To add to the fine point that you are making about veteran rope.  

    We rode Margot for the entire year last year.

    The result of his entire year with the Twins... his 2024 performance and his entire career has taken his off-season value to the level of? Still unsigned. 

    We hung on to a guy that nobody wants 1 month later. Yet we can't seem to develop major league talent and those developing players still have value to other clubs. 

    What are we doing? 

     

    2 hours ago, Possumlad said:

    Amen. Amazing how cumulative at-bats Rocco gives every year to true-blue scrubs. It's a problem of planning, wisdom, and perspective. He makes a lot of small platoon & playing time decisions that may be justifiable at the margin. But the net effect is that once we're 3-4 weeks in to the season, the Twins ALMOST NEVER run their best line-up out on any given night.

    You could solve a lot by making an explicit goal (not suggesting you message this externally) of playing your top line-up ~65-75% of all games. Tinker with the other 25-35%. Match-ups matters, but so do consistency, trust, predictability, and playing your best players. On any given night, there should be at least a 65% chance the Twins are starting their best 9 healthy players... In reality, it's probably 20-30%.

    You could solve a lot by dumping Rocco when he does what we all know he will do which is play poor lineups to satisfy his LH-RH fetish.

    1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

    Well, Rooker got more PA's than Garlick did with the Twins, even if Garlick got more games. but that was because Garlick was there for a limited role: smash LHP, which he did rather effectively the first 2 seasons he was here, when healthy. Unfortunately, he couldn't stay healthy and now his career is probably up unless he wants to keep chasing it in AAA for a while.

    Rooker was bad when he was with the Twins; except for his initial cup of coffee he hit poorly, was rotten defensively, and was out of options. Yes, Twins missed on him, but so did most of baseball: he flunked out for SD & KC (who desperately needed a RH slugger) too and was available for nothing (Oakland took him on waivers). 

    but I hope everyone who is mad about Rooker is backing Eddie Julien to get plenty of playing time this season to figure things out the same way we would have had to with Rooker. Julien's younger, had far more success than Rooker in MLB at the time we moved on from him, and even in his down season of 2024 he added more value (marginally, but it was there). Because you can't complain about the Twins not being more patient with Rooker and also be telling everyone to quit on Julien at the same time.

    I'm all in on Julien.  Play him.

    3 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

    Yup.  Weird.  More then a couple times TC should have told him if you want to play it's CF.

    We sure we want to blame the Bear for this?

    2 minutes ago, Greggory Masterson said:

    We sure we want to blame the Bear for this?

    Figured it was safe.  Holding the manager responsible for lineups riles some people.

    1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

    but I hope everyone who is mad about Rooker is backing Eddie Julien to get plenty of playing time this season to figure things out the same way we would have had to with Rooker. Julien's younger, had far more success than Rooker in MLB at the time we moved on from him, and even in his down season of 2024 he added more value (marginally, but it was there). Because you can't complain about the Twins not being more patient with Rooker and also be telling everyone to quit on Julien at the same time.

    While I don't find moving on from Rooker to be a big blunder on our front office compared to others, I'm down for giving Julien more chances to see if he can rebound rather than France can get back to being a replacement level player to maybe a little more. The situations are different too as Rooker couldn't shift to 1B/DH with Sano/Cruz filling those and he was a butcher in the outfield and actively hurt the team when he was out there. Meanwhile the current competition at 2B and 1B is very lackluster and there is absolutely going to be PAs for Julien to prove himself if they let him.

    58 minutes ago, Danchat said:

    While I don't find moving on from Rooker to be a big blunder on our front office compared to others, I'm down for giving Julien more chances to see if he can rebound rather than France can get back to being a replacement level player to maybe a little more. The situations are different too as Rooker couldn't shift to 1B/DH with Sano/Cruz filling those and he was a butcher in the outfield and actively hurt the team when he was out there. Meanwhile the current competition at 2B and 1B is very lackluster and there is absolutely going to be PAs for Julien to prove himself if they let him.

    I think it would be a mistake to declare Julien done. 

    Not to turn this into a Rooker discussion but... Rooker got 213 PA's in 2021. Those 213 PA's were pretty much his first 213 PA's in the majors. He produced a .688 OPS to start his career which is a number that a string of vets have not reached in subsequent years. The Majority of his time in 2021 was spent in AAA producing a .937 OPS over 267 PA's and it should be pointed out that Cruz was traded at the 2021 deadline because the team was out of contention so we could take some time to provide opportunity to younger players without a pennant chase hanging over their heads. 

    In 2022... Arraez, Buxton and Sanchez spent the majority of time at DH. Sano was toast. Our primary OF was Celestino, Kepler and Gordon. 2022 is another season out of contention that could be used to look at younger players. 

    Rooker also not getting opportunity with San Diego and Kansas City despite producing a 1.044 OPS in AAA. He signs with Oakland for 2023 and only gets opportunity because the A's opened up the season with some injuries.

    They notice that he can all of sudden coming out of nowhere hit when his name is put in the lineup card. 

    The Twins flat out missed. So did the Padres and Royals... but mostly the Twins because they were working with him the longest and they couldn't see what he could become. 

    Rooker is a lesson in what we are still talking about today. Develop or Die! Brent Rooker was paid the minimum by the A's for .817 OPS and .927 OPS. 

     

    39 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

    Definitely feel worse after hearing it confirmed that Bader is going to "get a lot of work," in LF. Hopefully we can drop the "4th OF," charade at this point. 

    Just because you guys don't understand how much a major league 4th OF works, doesn't mean Bader isn't a 4th OF. 

    The Yankees 4th OF, with probably the best OF in all of baseball last year, still played 69 games in the OF. 

    36 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    Just because you guys don't understand how much a major league 4th OF works, doesn't mean Bader isn't a 4th OF. 

    The Yankees 4th OF, with probably the best OF in all of baseball last year, still played 69 games in the OF. 

    Last season Margot received nearly 2x the number of PAs as your Yankee comp, and that was without playing CF. Tell me again this organization is committed to keeping Bader in a limited role....

    3 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

    Last season Margot received nearly 2x the number of PAs as your Yankee comp, and that was without playing CF. Tell me again this organization is committed to keeping Bader in a limited role....

    That'll happen when your starting CF perpetually misses half the season and the second best outfielder forgot how to approach a major league at bat and struck out in half his PAs to start the year. 

    Harrison Bader will likely play 100+ games, and have 350-400 PAs. None of that changes the fact that he's almost certainly starting the season as the 4th OF. 

    4 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    That'll happen when your starting CF perpetually misses half the season and the second best outfielder forgot how to approach a major league at bat and struck out in half his PAs to start the year. 

    Harrison Bader will likely play 100+ games, and have 350-400 PAs. None of that changes the fact that he's almost certainly starting the season as the 4th OF. 

    Nope, try again. Nobody from the corners slid into CF. Margot's run was entirely independent of Buxton's availability in CF. 

    I'll say it again, that would tie Bader for the 5th most PAs on the team last season. The Twins don't do "4th OF," types. They signed Bader with the intention of giving him a starter workload. Baldelli has now come out and confirmed it. You can continue to bury your head in the sand, but Harrison Bader, for all intents and purposes, is a starting OF for the Minnesota Twins. Whether he hangs onto that role is yet to be seen. 

    12 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

    That'll happen when your starting CF perpetually misses half the season and the second best outfielder forgot how to approach a major league at bat and struck out in half his PAs to start the year. 

    Harrison Bader will likely play 100+ games, and have 350-400 PAs. None of that changes the fact that he's almost certainly starting the season as the 4th OF. 

    I concur that Bader will be fine as a 4th OFer this year, but he damn well better not get 100+ games and 400 ABs.

     

    That's Buxton numbers. 

    1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

    I concur that Bader will be fine as a 4th OFer this year, but he damn well better not get 100+ games and 400 ABs.

     

    That's Buxton numbers. 

    It's not Bader's fault that Buxton is going to go down for half the season.

    Unless it is, but that would make for a really good 30 for 30 documentary. 

    Wallner has less than 100 PA's against LHP in his Twins career. Yet we are convinced that he can never hit one. Wallner will sit and continue to not develop in place of a guy who makes every effort he can at the plate to get himself out.

    RF Castro

    LF Bader

    C Vazquez

    1B Julien

    2B Gasper

    Yes I can see Rocco doing this.

     




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