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    Cody Pirkl

    Austin Martin’s time in the Twins organization has been difficult to say the least. Now with a potentially major injury this spring, what does it mean for the top prospect as well as the team that traded for him?

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    Austin Martin mysteriously disappeared from spring lineups for about a week before the Twins announced that he was shut down with the dreaded UCL sprain, an injury that often leads to Tommy John surgery in pitchers. The Twins have their own history of position players undergoing the surgery as well such as Miguel Sano and Alex Kirilloff. The severity is unknown at this time, but Martin will not return to action any time soon. How could this potentially devastating injury affect all parties involved?

    Austin Martin
    Martin is attempting to bounce back from his worst season as a professional, although his time in last year’s Arizona Fall League brought some hope. Any time missed would be difficult, as he still has to prove he can perform against Double-A pitching in order to be considered as an MLB option in 2023. If he were to miss an entire season, it would likely drop him significantly in the organizational depth chart.

    Martin dealt with injuries in 2022 as well which may have contributed to his below-league-average slash line in Double-A. Some call 2022 a “lost season” for Martin. If he were to have another in 2023, it may become difficult for the Twins to count on him being a legitimate future asset given his struggles to perform as well as his difficulties staying on the field. Other players who perform well will certainly pass him by, and it could create an uphill battle for him to establish himself on the Twins MLB roster.

    Young Prospects
    Martin missing significant time opens the door for other prospects. He had a legitimate shot to play himself onto the Twins this year with a bounce-back season. The Twins have enough players that could be expendable if a top prospect forces the issue. He had already been surpassed by Edouard Julien, and now many other young players will get an opportunity to capitalize.

    All eyes likely fall on Brooks Lee who, like Martin, was drafted as a shortstop but may settle in at second or third base down the line. Lee had already made it to Double-A just three months after being drafted by the Twins, and he’s likely to soak up Martin’s playing time in Wichita to begin 2023. Thus far, Lee has shown the skills to take hold of whatever position the Twins settle on, and Martin will have no ability to stave him off if he’s sidelined.

    If Martin’s injury turns out to be long-term, Royce Lewis could also beat him back to action. Lewis finds himself in the same boat as Lee and Martin. They may be looking for another position after the Twins gave Carlos Correa a six-year deal. If Martin were to play his way onto the big-league roster and establish himself at a position before Lewis returned this summer, it would’ve been hard to make a change. Instead, a long-term injury could lead to Lewis having a chance to establish himself first.

    There’s also the possibility of other infield prospects playing their way to Double-A in 2023 such as Jose Salas, Ben Ross, and Tanner Schobel. They would get every opportunity to cement themselves into whatever position they could, and if that position happened to be second or third base if Martin is still recovering, it would be their spot to lose.

    The Twins
    It would have been difficult to plan on Austin Martin making a significant impact on the 2023 Twins roster, but he was a part of their depth chart. With Jose Miranda having yet to prove himself as a passable defensive third baseman and Jorge Polanco’s injuries at second base, it’s likely the Twins utilize their minor-league infield depth at some point this season. While Julien is technically a second baseman, he has question marks defensively, and the Twins undoubtedly value a player’s glove work highly. Martin had flashed an ability to be a plus defender away from shortstop.

    With a good spring, the Twins could have seen added depth from Austin Martin, and if he performed well to start the season, they would have loved to bring him up with the right opportunity. Instead this likely leaves the recently-drafted Brooks Lee as the closest legitimate middle infield prospect to MLB action, and they’re still likely to be careful with him. As a result, it means players such as Kyle Farmer and Donovan Solano will likely hang around for a good while regardless of their performance. 

    Little is known of the extent of Martin’s UCL injury while he’s currently shut down. Some such injuries don’t require surgical intervention and it’s possible Martin is back on the field in a few weeks. Regardless, the best-case scenario is that an unfortunate injury will delay a very important season in the 2020 #5 overall pick’s career. The worst-case scenario is that Martin could endure his second consecutive lost season having never surpassed Double-A.

    In addition to his skillset raising significant red flags in 2022, injury has now become a legitimate concern as well. All the Twins and fans can do is wait to see how Martin’s elbow recovers with time off for now. The severity of his injury and the amount of time lost could have consequences across the organization.

     

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    If Martin misses the entire season (and do they figure that out half way through the season and possibly lose part of next season), so many guys pass him by (Lewis, Lee, Julien) that I think the Twins take a chance on the Rule 5 draft and don't put him on the 40 man. 

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    Didn't someone do a comparative analysis of this?  I think BOM is right....we keep getting hit with these elbow issues!   Maybe it is "universal," .......but it seems to hit the Twins more often.....

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    Interesting and well done article.  It seems though that Martins injury effects on the entire roster is way overblown.  I feel sorry for the young man but his injury is what it is.  It's a potentially, for him especially,  a very significant and unfortunate injury.  To project it to all sorts of possible ramifications to the roster is really stretching logic to illogical proportions for a player to very unlikely crack the roster.  I hope Austin Martin recovers quickly and can return to the field in a fully recovered and healthy manner.

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    Results:

    There were 6135 professional baseball players who completed the survey (66% response rate). The prevalence of UCL reconstruction in all MLB and MiLB players was 13% (637/4928), while the prevalence in DSL players was 2% (20/1207) (P < .001). The prevalence in all MLB and MiLB players (13%) and pitchers (20%) both increased significantly from 2012 (P < .001). MLB pitchers reported a higher prevalence of UCL reconstruction than did MiLB pitchers (26% vs 19%, respectively; P < .001). In 2018, the prevalence of UCL reconstruction has increased significantly in MiLB pitchers (19% vs 15%, respectively; P < .001) and pitchers aged 21 to 30 years (22% vs 17%, respectively; P < .001) compared with 2012. Additionally, United States–born pitchers were more likely to have undergone UCL reconstruction compared with Latin America–born pitchers (23% vs 13%, respectively; P < .001).

    Conclusion:

    The prevalence of UCL reconstruction has increased significantly in professional baseball players over the past 6 years from 10% to 13%. Ultimately, the prevalence of UCL reconstruction has increased most significantly since 2012 in MiLB pitchers, pitchers aged 21 to 30 years, and pitchers born in the United States.

     

    This is from NIH from 2018  Take from it what you will

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    has anyone done a study on whether this is a result of throwing breaking balls much earlier in their career, maybe a early as junior high school.  I would be interested in a study like this, because these injuries did not happen back in my day (I am in my 70's).  Or maybe it was the development of the slider and other said sharp breaking balls that make a difference. 

    Still unfortunate, if he was to be out all season, it will be hard to see where he could fit with the Twins.  Then just get him healthy, hope he hits in AAA and use him in a trade for pitching, there are many clubs who need middle infielders or 3B. 

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    Martin has taken the same path as Lewis. And many like to put the kiss of death on them. Lewis found himself at the end of AA & excelled in AFL, got hurt & came back better than ever. Experimenting early in '22 Martin lost himself & returned to find himself at the end of AA, that followed him in the AFL & found success. Both entered the following season with very high expectations  but unfortunately both suffered set backs. The fact they found themselves before the accidents gives me hope.

    Martin played very well the short time in ST. IMO his best chance is in the OF (w/ Lewis, Lee & Miranda at 3B & 2B) & super utility mainly next year. So I'd like if he needs TJ, that he gets it now so he can be ready next year.

    IMO it'd be a super big mistake to trade or as mentioned be left unprotected in the Rule 5. Because he'll be very valuable to us with his glove, getting on base, potential for some pop & base running, to give him away for nothing.

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    There is a line in this story about the Twins "undoubtedly valuing glove work" [paraphrase by me].

    I don't know when you last watched the Twins  but this really hasn't the case since Falvey took over  as GM!  Gone are the days of Gardenhire's "piranhas" whose defining characteristic WAS stellar defense.  Nick Punto wasn't kept around simply to see if he could get over the Mendoza line...  Our last couple of years with Doug Meintkeiwitcz (sp? -forgot what  a bearcat that is to spell!) was  another example, and that at a pretty low-level priority as far as defense goes.

    Gary Sanchez (Mike Piazza without a bat - how does that work???).  Miguel Sano (the seeming attention span of a gnat negating any and all of his natural physical gifts).  Even beloved Luis Arrias (sp? -just can't make that look right!) was playing 1B pretty much because he was incapable of playing anywhere else, even without the new shift rules - no range or arm.

    These 3 (and they are just off the top of my head) were all being counted on one year ago to be major parts of the 2022 team.  Defense was obviously not a major part of any decision-making process for any of these players being counted on!  

    Any, and even all of them could be justified by optimistic projections (Sano/Sanchez) that weren't met (happens to all teams) or by the fact that you'll have one of baseball's best contact hitters regularly in the lineup (I won't butcher Luis's last name again!).  His batting title is a plus that you'd have to say covers for 'adequate' (at best) at 1B (granted, at a position that he pretty much learned on the fly at baseball's highest level).

     

    No, I don't think the Twins (at least those responsible for putting the roster together) care a whit about defense.  If he doesn't have some ridiculously high ancillary defensive stat (don't get me started on that/those as a reliable barometer!!! - I remember reading that, statistically, Gary Gietti [sp?) was a consistently below-average glove over his career).

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    1 hour ago, old nurse said:

    Results:

    There were 6135 professional baseball players who completed the survey (66% response rate). The prevalence of UCL reconstruction in all MLB and MiLB players was 13% (637/4928), while the prevalence in DSL players was 2% (20/1207) (P < .001). The prevalence in all MLB and MiLB players (13%) and pitchers (20%) both increased significantly from 2012 (P < .001). MLB pitchers reported a higher prevalence of UCL reconstruction than did MiLB pitchers (26% vs 19%, respectively; P < .001). In 2018, the prevalence of UCL reconstruction has increased significantly in MiLB pitchers (19% vs 15%, respectively; P < .001) and pitchers aged 21 to 30 years (22% vs 17%, respectively; P < .001) compared with 2012. Additionally, United States–born pitchers were more likely to have undergone UCL reconstruction compared with Latin America–born pitchers (23% vs 13%, respectively; P < .001).

    Conclusion:

    The prevalence of UCL reconstruction has increased significantly in professional baseball players over the past 6 years from 10% to 13%. Ultimately, the prevalence of UCL reconstruction has increased most significantly since 2012 in MiLB pitchers, pitchers aged 21 to 30 years, and pitchers born in the United States.

     

    This is from NIH from 2018  Take from it what you will

    From your post I have to conclude I retained virtually nothing from my statistics classes (far too many years ago)...

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    51 minutes ago, beckmt said:

    has anyone done a study on whether this is a result of throwing breaking balls much earlier in their career, maybe a early as junior high school.  I would be interested in a study like this, because these injuries did not happen back in my day (I am in my 70's).  Or maybe it was the development of the slider and other said sharp breaking balls that make a difference. 

    Still unfortunate, if he was to be out all season, it will be hard to see where he could fit with the Twins.  Then just get him healthy, hope he hits in AAA and use him in a trade for pitching, there are many clubs who need middle infielders or 3B. 

    This is an interesting point. Mike Marshall (PHD in kinesiology), now deceased, stated numerous times and wrote concerning the correct way to throw a baseball and arm injuries. The problem is not whether a pitcher throws a breaking ball, curves, sliders, etc. Marshall focused on two specific issues. First, the lack of knowledge meant that most coaches have no idea how to teach much less analyze the correct methods of throwing a breaking ball. Note here - this information is from a period of time from roughly 1975-2000. The teaching and coaching is far superior today. Secondly, coaches paid little attention to stressful pitching situations and often asked maximum effort on every pitch. Thus, most injuries were actually from throwing the fastball. There is a marked difference between throwing 12-20 pitches per inning for a complete game than throwing 25-40 pitches in a difficult inning. Max effort pitching continues to be a problem.

    Arm injuries were quite common in the 1960s and 1970s. Poor coaching and the tough guy mentality ruined many arms. The best coaches protected their pitchers, the worst abused them badly. Still, even position players like Austin Martin can suffer arm injuries that set back their careers. 

    Austin Martin has had some misfortune but he still is athletic and young. He has earned a significant amount of money choosing baseball as a career and I'm betting that he will recover and get an opportunity to show his skills at the major league level. It may be 2024 or even later, but guys like Austin Martin have an understanding of how to deal with setbacks and focus on the future. Yes, Martin has seen others climb above him on depth charts but he will get his chance too.

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    1 hour ago, Bodie said:

    There is a line in this story about the Twins "undoubtedly valuing glove work" [paraphrase by me].

    I don't know when you last watched the Twins  but this really hasn't the case since Falvey took over  as GM!  Gone are the days of Gardenhire's "piranhas" whose defining characteristic WAS stellar defense.  Nick Punto wasn't kept around simply to see if he could get over the Mendoza line...  Our last couple of years with Doug Meintkeiwitcz (sp? -forgot what  a bearcat that is to spell!) was  another example, and that at a pretty low-level priority as far as defense goes.

    Gary Sanchez (Mike Piazza without a bat - how does that work???).  Miguel Sano (the seeming attention span of a gnat negating any and all of his natural physical gifts).  Even beloved Luis Arrias (sp? -just can't make that look right!) was playing 1B pretty much because he was incapable of playing anywhere else, even without the new shift rules - no range or arm.

    These 3 (and they are just off the top of my head) were all being counted on one year ago to be major parts of the 2022 team.  Defense was obviously not a major part of any decision-making process for any of these players being counted on!  

    Any, and even all of them could be justified by optimistic projections (Sano/Sanchez) that weren't met (happens to all teams) or by the fact that you'll have one of baseball's best contact hitters regularly in the lineup (I won't butcher Luis's last name again!).  His batting title is a plus that you'd have to say covers for 'adequate' (at best) at 1B (granted, at a position that he pretty much learned on the fly at baseball's highest level).

     

    No, I don't think the Twins (at least those responsible for putting the roster together) care a whit about defense.  If he doesn't have some ridiculously high ancillary defensive stat (don't get me started on that/those as a reliable barometer!!! - I remember reading that, statistically, Gary Gietti [sp?) was a consistently below-average glove over his career).

    I hesitate to speak for Cody, but possibly the Twins interest in "glove work" is not due to the players from the past that you mentioned, but the players that were added this year (e.g. Vasquez, Gallo, Taylor, etc.)  It appears to me that the Twins have turned the corner and have acquired, via FA, trade, and the draft, players with good "glove work" although I do agree that that was not a past practice.

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    3 hours ago, Whitey333 said:

    Interesting and well done article.  It seems though that Martins injury effects on the entire roster is way overblown.  I feel sorry for the young man but his injury is what it is.  It's a potentially, for him especially,  a very significant and unfortunate injury.  To project it to all sorts of possible ramifications to the roster is really stretching logic to illogical proportions for a player to very unlikely crack the roster.  I hope Austin Martin recovers quickly and can return to the field in a fully recovered and healthy manner.

    Agreed!

    I’m sure many of us felt like Martin was a real stretch for any roster time this year since he didn’t fair well in AA last year. I get the fall ball push but he was going back to AA this Spring to try & reach some higher level of consistency.

    I’m not so sure that if he doesn’t hurt his elbow & had been playing this spring that Julien is ahead of him at all at this point. Julien hit 2HRs in one game……one game. He’s borderline AA/AAA to start the year. Nice upside but green!

    Lee/Lewis have always been ahead of Martin so not sure how the injury plays into that at all……..your point, his injury’s impact on ‘23 roster is overblown. Good luck to him - hoping no surgery!

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    1 hour ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

    I hesitate to speak for Cody, but possibly the Twins interest in "glove work" is not due to the players from the past that you mentioned, but the players that were added this year (e.g. Vasquez, Gallo, Taylor, etc.)  It appears to me that the Twins have turned the corner and have acquired, via FA, trade, and the draft, players with good "glove work" although I do agree that that was not a past practice.

    Fair point, and I agree that the "new" guys for this year DO look to be defensive upgrades.  

    I will also admit to having nearly screamed when I saw they signed Joey Gallo, not realizing that he is apparently a more than an adequate corner OF (we'll see about 1B).  Hopefully he doesn't need to play often enough for his myriad of other weaknesses to really become a real problem for the Twins...  I 'll go nuts if he is regularly playing and roaring past 200 K's!

     

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    It will be interesting to see how they manage Martin and this potential injury problem. It's a very different situation than a pitcher having UCL problems. It's entirely possible Martin plays some to start this year with the injury still there and gets TJ later on. Or they could do the surgery now and plan/hope for a late season, and AFL, return. He couldn't play the field in these scenarios, but he could DH. I'm sure they're having a lot of conversations with him and trying to find a way to get something out of this season without sacrificing much, if any, of next season. Will be interesting to see what they decide to do.

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    1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

    Agreed!

    I’m sure many of us felt like Martin was a real stretch for any roster time this year since he didn’t fair well in AA last year. I get the fall ball push but he was going back to AA this Spring to try & reach some higher level of consistency.

    I’m not so sure that if he doesn’t hurt his elbow & had been playing this spring that Julien is ahead of him at all at this point. Julien hit 2HRs in one game……one game. He’s borderline AA/AAA to start the year. Nice upside but green!

    Lee/Lewis have always been ahead of Martin so not sure how the injury plays into that at all……..your point, his injury’s impact on ‘23 roster is overblown. Good luck to him - hoping no surgery!

    Julien can't play OF, and it isn't certain he can even play second. I don't think he and Martin are in competition. Gotta feel bad for Martin. They'll wait as long as possible to do surgery, you try hard not to cut into the human body. 

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    1 hour ago, Bodie said:

    Fair point, and I agree that the "new" guys for this year DO look to be defensive upgrades.  

    I will also admit to having nearly screamed when I saw they signed Joey Gallo, not realizing that he is apparently a more than an adequate corner OF (we'll see about 1B).  Hopefully he doesn't need to play often enough for his myriad of other weaknesses to really become a real problem for the Twins...  I 'll go nuts if he is regularly playing and roaring past 200 K's!

     

    Gallo is the starting LF. He's going to play all year. 

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    4 hours ago, Bodie said:

    statistically, Gary Gietti [sp?) was a consistently below-average glove over his career).

    If stats say that Gary Gaetti's glove was below average with MN. Then the stats are lying. Gaetti had a great glove.

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    59 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Gallo is the starting LF. He's going to play all year. 

    Over/Under 1.5 strikeouts per game played for  Gallo.

    I'll pray for  under, but no money to back that up!

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    4 hours ago, Bodie said:

    Over/Under 1.5 strikeouts per game played for  Gallo.

    I'll pray for  under, but no money to back that up!

    Gallo will be compared to our former kkkking Sano, if he is even close to Sano numbers, then to me he better hit 40 or better H.R., And a average at least 230 and a high walk rate. Otherwise all he is doing is holding up the Younger talent. 

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    16 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

    If stats say that Gary Gaetti's glove was below average with MN. Then the stats are lying. Gaetti had a great glove.

    They don't. Gaetti's Gold Gloves don't exactly line up with his best seasons defensively but the stats show that he was excellent defensively in MN.

    It's a shame about Martin's injury: he's a talented guy and looked like he was figuring out his approach at the plate again, and had gotten himself healthy after a wrist injury and COVID. His AFL performance was overshadowed by Julien a bit, but he played very well and looked to be using that to launch into his season. It's a shame to have that interrupted again.

    Someone suggested if he has surgery that we leave him exposed to the Rule 5: that's a pretty bad idea, and I doubt it will happen. Another team, especially one that's rebuilding would snap him up in a heartbeat. They'd be able to stash him on the injured list for a chunk of the season, but even if they had to activate him he could be useful on a major league roster even if it was too early for him to be ready with his defense in the OF and flexibility to roam around. There's pretty much no chance the Twins will risk it.

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    11 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

    It means we're nearly two years into the Berrios trade with no return.

    We could still have Berrios - the Blue Jay from last year (&Puerto Rico pitcher from last night) say that the Twins might still be ahead...

    He is nowhere near the guy the Twins had.  Just an utter mess - no control, vrlo down and less movement on seemingly all his pitches.  And now he's blonde.

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    4 hours ago, Bodie said:

    We could still have Berrios - the Blue Jay from last year (&Puerto Rico pitcher from last night) say that the Twins might still be ahead...

    He is nowhere near the guy the Twins had.  Just an utter mess - no control, vrlo down and less movement on seemingly all his pitches.  And now he's blonde.

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    None of which are any indication of what he would be if he were still here.  And as terrible as you might want to believe he was last year, he still would have been better than any Twins starter not named Joe Ryan and by the end of this year will most likely be better than any Twins starter not named Pablo Lopez.

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    12 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

    None of which are any indication of what he would be if he were still here.  And as terrible as you might want to believe he was last year, he still would have been better than any Twins starter not named Joe Ryan and by the end of this year will most likely be better than any Twins starter not named Pablo Lopez.

    How is this relevant at this point? He wasn't signing here. He's gone. The only reason they have nothing to show is that they've gone out and acquired 4 SPs in addition to SWR......or SWR (who is 22/3) would be in MN. He'll be there eventually, zero doubt of that.

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    5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    How is this relevant at this point? He wasn't signing here. He's gone. The only reason they have nothing to show is that they've gone out and acquired 4 SPs in addition to SWR......or SWR (who is 22/3) would be in MN. He'll be there eventually, zero doubt of that.

    No reason to believe he wouldn't have signed the same deal here that he did in Toronto.  If there is than there is also a need for some serious organization introspection.  If I had a nickel for every zero doubt guy who never got there, I'D have been able to sign Berrios.

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    55 minutes ago, dxpavelka said:

    No reason to believe he wouldn't have signed the same deal here that he did in Toronto.  If there is than there is also a need for some serious organization introspection.  If I had a nickel for every zero doubt guy who never got there, I'D have been able to sign Berrios.

    It's time to move on. It's over. Or not, to to you... But this thread is about Martin, not the trade

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    2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    It's time to move on. It's over. Or not, to to you... But this thread is about Martin, not the trade

    Any thread about Martin IS about the trade.  At least until one of them does something to make the trade look worthwhile.  Like it or not.

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