Correia's last day with the Twins...

[drjim]

Any predictions?

 

I say he gets DFAed after 7 starts next year. May 10.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Well, he has value for this year...every start helps the Twins improve their draft position.

[ThePuck]

Doubt it. If the April whisperer continues his trend, he'll have people thinking he's rebounded and is still a good signing till around August next when people will finally let reality set in...

[Thegrin]

Remember that thread last week about the quality of TR's 2013 off-season moves ? and Correia was considered a success ? It is still too early to judge. I wish Correia was gone already.

[drjim]

Remember that thread last week about the quality of TR's 2013 off-season moves ? and Correia was considered a success ? It is still too early to judge. I wish Correia was gone already.

 

Not that I want to go down that road again, but relative to a good chunk of the other free agent options, he was a success.

[Badsmerf]

At the time he had done pretty well. Problem is that his July was horrible and his August is starting where he left off.

[Kwak]

His last day? Isn't KC #2 in the rotation?

[snepp]

At the time he had done pretty well. Problem is that his July was horrible and his August is starting where he left off.

 

Or the 6+ ERA May.

[AlwaysinModeration]

At some point, in some thread, in May...I speculated on how long Correia would keep his ERA below 5. He's made it into August, but he's closing fast.

[jokin]

At the time he had done pretty well. Problem is that his July was horrible and his August is starting where he left off.

 

Correia's May and June weren't very good, either.

[jokin]

At some point, in some thread, in May...I speculated on how long Correia would keep his ERA below 5. He's made it into August, but he's closing fast.

 

He'll be comfortably over 5.00 in his next start.

[Guest USAFChief]

Back on topic: his last day will be Sep 1, 2017, after his extension runs out.

[jokin]

Not that I want to go down that road again, but relative to a good chunk of the other free agent options, he was a success.

 

There is a whole list of SP FAs that provide evidence to the contrary.

[Winston Smith]

But but he had a good bullpen!

[Brad Swanson]

He'll be comfortably over 5.00 in his next start.

 

But his xFIP could still be around 4.5.

[Badsmerf]

Yeah, his may was bad too. He also had a great April and did just fine in June. He is a mediocre pitcher and inconsistencies are to be expected. The problem is that the bad starts are becoming more and more common.

[jorgenswest]

If the Twins DFA'd Correia would anyone pick him up? It's worth a shot. I guess they can see if he gets through revocable waivers first. If anyone claims, they get to keep him.

 

I would rather see Swarzak get the starts and Tonkin in the pen. Correia is not part of the solution.

[jokin]

But his xFIP could still be around 4.5.

 

There is that.....Glass half-empty, glass half-full....

 

FIP is around 5.00 now... tERA will be close to 6.00, SIERA closing in on 5.00. Trends are not KC's friend right now.

[jokin]

Yeah, his may was bad too. He also had a great April and did just fine in June. He is a mediocre pitcher and inconsistencies are to be expected. The problem is that the bad starts are becoming more and more common.

 

4.29 ERA in June, w/ 1.40 WHIP and .775 oOPS. 6 starts against 6 bad... to very bad.... teams in June. Doesn't meet my own standard for "just fine", but that's just me- I see June as mediocre Kevin Correia, as usual- I pray for a return to KC "mediocrity".

[Kwak]

"We come not to bury [Correira], but to praise him." On a more serious note: when is the problem that caused the KC signing, solved?

[NoCal]

Are you willing to trade the top Twins prospect to acquire a solid, major league starting pitcher? That is what Kansas City did. Or be patient? Tough choice.....

[Thegrin]

"We come not to bury [Correira], but to praise him." On a more serious note: when is the problem that caused the KC signing, solved?

 

"The evil that men do, lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones." The sooner we bury Correia, the happier we would be. He does nothing for our record, but stands in the way of our search for a solid starter from amongst our relievers or AAAA players.

[Thrylos]

If the Twins DFA'd Correia would anyone pick him up? It's worth a shot. I guess they can see if he gets through revocable waivers first. If anyone claims, they get to keep him.

 

Or he can elect free agency.

 

It's not happening because of Ryan's ill-advised 2 -year contract. Another Blackburn and Capps vs a Marquis, Livan and Ponton situation.

[ThePuck]

Are you willing to trade the top Twins prospect to acquire a solid, major league starting pitcher? That is what Kansas City did. Or be patient? Tough choice.....

 

Why are we calling Shields just 'solid'? Two season prior to this year he averaged over 230 innings, an ERA around 3.20, a WHIP of about 1.100, 14 complete games with 6 that were shutouts...in the AL East.

 

Here's a good a article about the Royals. It talks about Shields' influence/affect on the players and why Moore made the trade.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130805&content_id=56018042&vkey=news_kc&c_id=kc

[Mike Sixel]

He's better than his numbers, and we have him for 2 years! In the words of KG, "We're comin".

[nicksaviking]

Or he can elect free agency.

 

It's not happening because of Ryan's ill-advised 2 -year contract. Another Blackburn and Capps vs a Marquis, Livan and Ponton situation.

 

Did you mean to type Ponson or pontoon? Just curious because it is at times hard to differentiate between Sydney Ponson and a pontoon

[Mike Sixel]

Pontoon's are way more fun.....

[JB_Iowa]

If only there were partial year big league contracts ..... like signing Correia for just April and May or Delmon Young for just August and September.

 

Too bad they want to be paid for the whole season.

[LaBombo]

Why are we calling Shields just 'solid'? Two season prior to this year he averaged over 230 innings, an ERA around 3.20, a WHIP of about 1.100, 14 complete games with 6 that were shutouts...in the AL East.

+ 1,000.

 

Here's a list of the AL pitching leaders in cumulative WAR since Shields' first full season, 2007:

 

Justin Verlander - 38.7

Felix Hernandez - 34.4

C.C. Sabathia - 33.5

Jered Weaver - 27.2

Jon Lester - 26.0

James Shields - 24.4

Josh Beckett - 23.8

Zack Greinke - 22.4

 

No other pitcher has a total higher than 20.

 

Verlander is in a class by himself, with Felix, CC and Greinke (if credited with his total WAR of 30.7 in both leagues) not far behind.

 

But Shields compares very favorably with the next group down. He threw more total innings than they did in that span, and trails only Felix and Verlander by about 20 innings in the group above him. His FIP and K rate match up well with Weaver and Lester too.

 

And contrary to the belief that he would see a decline in his numbers in a less pitcher-friendly home park, Shields has put up 2013 stats that are mostly either in line with or better than his career averages.

 

If the word "solid" is to be applied to Shields, it should be in the context of 'solid compared to the aces of AL playoff contenders' since his full-season debut.

 

Referring to him as "solid" compared to other pitchers in general either seriously undervaluing him, or deliberately understating his value to bolster an argument against the wisdom of the trade, which is controversial enough without giving Shields his due.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Did you mean to type Ponson or pontoon? Just curious because it is at times hard to differentiate between Sydney Ponson and a pontoon

 

Especially if you are a judge on the beach of his native Aruba.