White Sox 4, Twins 3: Twins Lose Season Series to 2025 White Sox

[jmlease1]

1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

Now it's Buxton's fault that a leadoff triple and a leadoff double didn't lead to runs? Somehow that makes him "unclutch"?

Nothing like a disaster season with the most tone-deaf ownership in MN history to put Twins fans on tilt.

Buxton has been great all year and anyone who is turning on him at this point needs a nap.

[Swing Batter-Batter]

2 hours ago, David Maro said:

Here's a little timid bit it only took 8 years for Rocco to ask the team to run. The last time I looked he is the manager,you don't ask you tell them they need to run.

It's long past time to put Topa on the shelf,he has been bad all year and was unable to pitch last year as well.

Attendance looked like I was watching a Marlins game. Hopefully Polhad's were watching and get a hint that it is time to sell.

The Pohlad's don't watch the games. If they did, they would have sold the team immediately.

[mickster]

9 hours ago, JADBP said:

The 9th inning was a managing disaster.  Buxton leads off with a double and Larnach walks. Down by one, with no outs, a good place to be.  Keirsey comes in to run for Larnach.  Now, we have the middle of the order coming up in Keaschall, Wallner and Jeffers.  So far so good.  Then Keaschall pops out.   Ouch. So, what does the idiot do?  He again subs out Wallner for Outman!  Wait…WTF?  Outman is batting .134!!!! He’s not LH and neither is the Pitcher.  Wallner is and is batting .234 and has an OBP over 100 pts higher than Outman.  But alas OUTman lives up to his name.  Easy out.  I suspect the CWS coach is just laughing.  Jeffers comes in and is the final out.  
 

Why if why does the idiot keep subbing out Wallner?  It makes absolutely no sense.  It’s like last year with Margot.  Does Rocco understand that that he keeps making these “never works out well” decisions over and over?  Doesn’t Jayce Tingler ever tap him on the shoulder and say “Hey, how about we let him hit tonight.”  I would think that after watching Margot go 0-29, the Saber tool would say do NOT use him as a PH in big. Flashing red letters.  Same for PHing for Wallner with a far inferior hitter!  What is WRONG with Rocco?????

to be fair he was a defensive replacement earlier so was not sent up to PH

[ashbury]

1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

Nothing like a disaster season with the most tone-deaf ownership in MN history 

We've had a grand total of two ownerships, for all intents and purposes.  And the other owner has the name of the town of Waseca attached to his own tone-deaf legacy.

[sweetmusicviola16]

Fire Falvey and Balldelli. But since that's not going to happen the team will continue to go downward. Yes the hole can get deeper. 

[JADBP]

Sorry I missed that Outman came in in the 8th.  But there is still an issue.  At that point, Rocco should have been able to see that he would again come up in the 9th and with no bullpen, the CWS were likely to at least tie the game.  
 

in the end, I am soooo over Rocco.  He’s become a pathetic robot to stats. Like a robot, he is even emotionless.  

[Doctor Gast]

10 hours ago, JADBP said:

The 9th inning was a managing disaster.  Buxton leads off with a double and Larnach walks. Down by one, with no outs, a good place to be.  Keirsey comes in to run for Larnach.  Now, we have the middle of the order coming up in Keaschall, Wallner and Jeffers.  So far so good.  Then Keaschall pops out.   Ouch. So, what does the idiot do?  He again subs out Wallner for Outman!  Wait…WTF?  Outman is batting .134!!!! He’s not LH and neither is the Pitcher.  Wallner is and is batting .234 and has an OBP over 100 pts higher than Outman.  But alas OUTman lives up to his name.  Easy out.  I suspect the CWS coach is just laughing.  Jeffers comes in and is the final out.  
 

Why if why does the idiot keep subbing out Wallner?  It makes absolutely no sense.  It’s like last year with Margot.  Does Rocco understand that that he keeps making these “never works out well” decisions over and over?  Doesn’t Jayce Tingler ever tap him on the shoulder and say “Hey, how about we let him hit tonight.”  I would think that after watching Margot go 0-29, the Saber tool would say do NOT use him as a PH in big. Flashing red letters.  Same for PHing for Wallner with a far inferior hitter!  What is WRONG with Rocco?????

Tinler probably reminded him to PH Wallner with Outman.

[Doctor Gast]

IMO, Rocco doesn't care about the development of the players. Why does he have Keirsey up only to PR & defensive replacement? Is he more concerned about establishing his self-imposed image of a chessmaster than Keirsey getting his much-needed regular ABs to establish his hitting prowess he had in AAA? Baldelli's focus should be to develop every single one of our players to the fullest during the season, especially now when nothing matters..  

[USAFChief]

42 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

Tinler probably reminded him to PH Wallner with Outman.

As has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread, Baldelli didnt PH Outman for Wallner.

 

[NYCTK]

2 hours ago, ashbury said:

We've had a grand total of two ownerships, for all intents and purposes.  And the other owner has the name of the town of Waseca attached to his own tone-deaf legacy.

Exclusively terrible owners and THE franchise player turned out to be a huge POS. 

The entire franchise is cursed. 

[NYCTK]

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

IMO, Rocco doesn't care about the development of the players. Why does he have Keirsey up only to PR & defensive replacement?

Because he correctly recognizes that Keirsey has no future as a MLB player. 

 

[jmlease1]

2 hours ago, ashbury said:

We've had a grand total of two ownerships, for all intents and purposes.  And the other owner has the name of the town of Waseca attached to his own tone-deaf legacy.

I was referencing all MN pro sports owners, not just the Twins. I mean, Norm Green may have been a far bigger a$$hole, but I don't recall him screwing the fans and then acting like he was doing us a favor...

[Doctor Gast]

1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

Because he correctly recognizes that Keirsey has no future as a MLB player. 

Does he have a crystal ball? Because he definitely hasn't given him a chance. He probably goes by analytics that says 28-year-old rookies don't make the MLB. That is sooooooooooooo lame. Who are you to judge this injustice? Give him the same chance as Julien & others that don't deserve it & keep on giving them chances, then we can judge him as far as his hitting. That's all I'm asking. What he has done in the field, on the basepaths & at AAA justifies that chance.

[DJL44]

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Does he have a crystal ball? Because he definitely hasn't given him a chance. He probably goes by analytics that says 28-year-old rookies don't make the MLB.

I’m guessing he goes by the stat line that Keirsey is the worst hitter to ever play for the Twins (min 100 plate appearances). Plus, he’s at an age where players are more likely to get worse than better.

[JADBP]

3 hours ago, NYCTK said:

THE franchise player turned out to be a huge POS

Wait?  Which franchise player?  Killebrew? Olivia? Carew? Puckett?  Viola?  
 

Or are you trying to blame Correa?  I wouldn’t have laid that title  on him but yes he was a bust. Wasted $$. Like so many other trades and FA that the twins brought in, especially over the last 2-3 years!  What di we have for dumping 30-40% of the team a few weeks ago?  
 

And they think they are fooling us when they say it wasn’t about money….

[Doctor Gast]

35 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

I’m guessing he goes by the stat line that Keirsey is the worst hitter to ever play for the Twins (min 100 plate appearances). Plus, he’s at an age where players are more likely to get worse than better.

You throw a MiLB into MLB with no regular ABs, what do you expect? A couple of ABs here, a couple there, a rarity of 4 ABs per game, quickly pull him out of a game before he can get any rhythm. This just proves that stat lines are worthless, lies & a joke if taken w/o looking at the underlying conditions. If Baldelli threw Jenkins into the same situation, give him a couple of ABs here, a couple there with long periods in between, with the rarity of 4 ABs per game. I'd guarantee he'd have close to the same results. Let's not be biased here.

[DJL44]

4 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

You throw a MiLB into MLB with no regular ABs, what do you expect? A couple of ABs here, a couple there, a rarity of 4 ABs per game, quickly pull him out of a game before he can get any rhythm. Just to prove that stat lines are worthless, lies & a joke if taken w/o looking at the underlying conditions.

Plenty of other players have been put into the same situation without becoming the worst hitter to ever play for the Twins. I don't know why anyone would want to give him any more plate appearances. He's been mediocre in AAA and horrible in MLB. I wouldn't even call him a quad-A player. He's a player who has never earned an MLB promotion but somehow has 99 plate appearances in MLB.

[NYCTK]

50 minutes ago, JADBP said:

Wait?  Which franchise player?  Killebrew? Olivia? Carew? Puckett?  Viola?  
 

Or are you trying to blame Correa?  I wouldn’t have laid that title  on him but yes he was a bust. Wasted $$. Like so many other trades and FA that the twins brought in, especially over the last 2-3 years!  What di we have for dumping 30-40% of the team a few weeks ago?  
 

And they think they are fooling us when they say it wasn’t about money….

Puckett. Absolute scumbag. 

[NYCTK]

46 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

You throw a MiLB into MLB with no regular ABs, what do you expect? A couple of ABs here, a couple there, a rarity of 4 ABs per game, quickly pull him out of a game before he can get any rhythm. This just proves that stat lines are worthless, lies & a joke if taken w/o looking at the underlying conditions. If Baldelli threw Jenkins into the same situation, give him a couple of ABs here, a couple there with long periods in between, with the rarity of 4 ABs per game. I'd guarantee he'd have close to the same results. Let's not be biased here.

You have to be DaShawn Sr. There's simply no other explanation for how hard you defend the guy. 

He's not been unlucky. His xwoba is just as bad as his wOBA. He's just been unplayable man. Come to understand this. 

[cheeseheadgophfan]

3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Does he have a crystal ball? Because he definitely hasn't given him a chance. He probably goes by analytics that says 28-year-old rookies don't make the MLB. That is sooooooooooooo lame. Who are you to judge this injustice? Give him the same chance as Julien & others that don't deserve it & keep on giving them chances, then we can judge him as far as his hitting. That's all I'm asking. What he has done in the field, on the basepaths & at AAA justifies that chance.

Kiersey had every opportunity earlier this season to show something....anything that would make him deserving of a roster spot.  He didn't.  Julien at least had a good run of sustained performance that looked like he MIGHT have a future.  Kiersey has the bat speed of a  slow-pitch softball player.....and he guesses constantly.  Not a good combo.

[cheeseheadgophfan]

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

You throw a MiLB into MLB with no regular ABs, what do you expect? A couple of ABs here, a couple there, a rarity of 4 ABs per game, quickly pull him out of a game before he can get any rhythm. This just proves that stat lines are worthless, lies & a joke if taken w/o looking at the underlying conditions. If Baldelli threw Jenkins into the same situation, give him a couple of ABs here, a couple there with long periods in between, with the rarity of 4 ABs per game. I'd guarantee he'd have close to the same results. Let's not be biased here.

You can't seriously be comparing the 20 year old Walker Jenkins with the 28 year old Deshawn Kiersey????  You can't.  SMH

[Doctor Gast]

13 hours ago, NYCTK said:

You have to be DaShawn Sr. There's simply no other explanation for how hard you defend the guy. 

He's not been unlucky. His xwoba is just as bad as his wOBA. He's just been unplayable man. Come to understand this. 

I'm just for giving everyone a fair shake. I don't expect someone like you will understand. But players especially a MLB green player, HAVE TO HAVE regular ABs to do anything. Most managers, if they can't give regular ABs to such a player they leave them at AAA to get needed regular ABs, if they have any interest in developing that player. What Baldelli has shown, he has no interest in developing Keirsey's hitting on the MLB level. Keirsey's glove, baserunning, AAA record & MLB walk-offs when given some semblance of regular ABs has shown he deserves that chance. Analytics don't tell the whole story; that's a big problem with the Twins & those who don't understand the game. It's not about luck, it's about getting a ton of regular ABs for an average MiLBer to adapt to MLB pitchers.

[NYCTK]

55 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

I'm just for giving everyone a fair shake. I don't expect someone like you will understand. But players especially a MLB green player, HAVE TO HAVE regular ABs to do anything. Most managers, if they can't give regular ABs to such a player they leave them at AAA to get needed regular ABs, if they have any interest in developing that player. What Baldelli has shown, he has no interest in developing Keirsey's hitting on the MLB level. Keirsey's glove, baserunning, AAA record & MLB walk-offs when given some semblance of regular ABs has shown he deserves that chance. Analytics don't tell the whole story; that's a big problem with the Twins & those who don't understand the game.

Sure, DaShawn. 

He is a bad player and has received more playing time than he actually deserves. I don't expect someone like you to understand. One day you might actually understand the game. 

 

[Doctor Gast]

12 hours ago, cheeseheadgophfan said:

You can't seriously be comparing the 20 year old Walker Jenkins with the 28 year old Deshawn Kiersey????  You can't.  SMH

I'm not comparing. I'm saying most everyone has to have a ton of regular ABs to adapt to MLB pitching. 82 ABs spread out a whole season won't cut it. Even for Jenkins.

[Doctor Gast]

6 hours ago, NYCTK said:

Sure, DaShawn. 

He is a bad player and has received more playing time than he actually deserves. I don't expect someone like you to understand. One day you might actually understand the game. 

 

Why don't you apply to be a coach for Baldelli? You'd fit right in. I'm for the way MIL's way of evaluating & developing their players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QETdzLaXjVM

 

[USAFChief]

43 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

. I'm for the way MIL's way of evaluating & developing their players.

You mean like 26 YO infielder Andruw Monasterio, who's been up with Milwaukee all year and has 113 PAs?

Like that?

[Doctor Gast]

15 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

You mean like 26 YO infielder Andruw Monasterio, who's been up with Milwaukee all year and has 113 PAs?

Like that?

Yes, Monasterio, who they gave 315 PAs his 1st year up with MIL while still giving him regular ABs with 178 PA in AAA. Leave it up to you, Chief, for trying to go after the exception rather than the rule.

[NYCTK]

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

I'm not comparing. I'm saying most everyone has to have a ton of regular ABs to adapt to MLB pitching. 82 ABs spread out a whole season won't cut it. Even for Jenkins.

You seem to not fully grasp just how awful DaShawn has been in his opportunities. 

And there's LITERALLY no reason to think he'll ever get any better. You can go back to all of my comments making fun of people for thinking Keirsey could do the same job as Bader for further evidence why this was very obviously wrong. 

He has a 109 RC+ in AAA and you seem to think as though that is meaningful, whereas anyone that actually knows baseball knows that is pretty mediocre and not indicative of someone that will hit in the majors at all. It's the exact same as Gilberto Celestino actually. Should the Twins call up Celestino and give him another chance? He's still 2 years younger than Keirsey and only got 400 PAs. 

[Doctor Gast]

6 hours ago, NYCTK said:

You seem to not fully grasp just how awful DaShawn has been in his opportunities. 

And there's LITERALLY no reason to think he'll ever get any better. You can go back to all of my comments making fun of people for thinking Keirsey could do the same job as Bader for further evidence why this was very obviously wrong. 

He has a 109 RC+ in AAA and you seem to think as though that is meaningful, whereas anyone that actually knows baseball knows that is pretty mediocre and not indicative of someone that will hit in the majors at all. It's the exact same as Gilberto Celestino actually. Should the Twins call up Celestino and give him another chance? He's still 2 years younger than Keirsey and only got 400 PAs. 

You haven't been paying attention, thanks to Baldelli this year is wasted. With so few regular ABs this season combined with his short time in AAA, a 109 RC+ is not bad.

[USAFChief]

Keirsey back to AAA. I'm sure he's thrilled.