Edouard Julien and the Very Hard Game

[Patzky]

37 minutes ago, Rod Carews Birthday said:

"The questions for Eddie Julien continue. Can his swing be fixed in the minors at all?  Maybe?  Or it might take MLB pitching to make the appropriate adjustments."

 

"Is this the end of his time with the Twins?  I also honestly think this is also the answer. "

 

Let us lock Alcala and Julien in a batting cage overnight and see who comes out victorious..

[mickster]

3 minutes ago, Patzky said:

Let us lock Alcala and Julien in a batting cage overnight and see who comes out victorious..

Nothing would happen.  Alcala would be throwing balls all over the place and even when it was a strike Eddie would just watch it.

[Patzky]

4 minutes ago, mickster said:

Nothing would happen.  Alcala would be throwing balls all over the place and even when it was a strike Eddie would just watch it.

Announcers always say Something's Gotta Give. No?

[amjgt]

1 hour ago, Road trip said:

So at first glance it appears the Twins are giving up on Julien (age 26) so they can keep journeymen infielders Bride (age 29) and Clemens (age 29).  Yup, that's standard operating procedure for a FO that values veteran mediocrity for their position players.  For all his many flaws, Julien has accumulated far more career WAR than either Clemens or Bride.

 

I completely disagree with this assessment of what's happening.

They don't care if the journeymen sit on the bench and get 2-6 plate appearances per week. They don't care about developing them. They've developed, and are what they are.

They don't want Julien sitting on the bench, which is what he'd be doing if they kept him on the 26 man roster right now. They want him playing every day. That will happen at AAA.

[mnfireman]

In regards to the KOC quote, the NFL doesn't have minor leagues like MLB does, "talented" players wash out of the NFL all the time.

Talented or not, good eye or not, he strikes out 32% of the time over his career, quite often looking. He needs to be aggressive earlier in the count; hitting at the major league level is tough enough, but hitting with 2 strikes is even tougher and is not something that all players can do.

[Blyleven2011]

2 hours ago, Road trip said:

So at first glance it appears the Twins are giving up on Julien (age 26) so they can keep journeymen infielders Bride (age 29) and Clemens (age 29).  Yup, that's standard operating procedure for a FO that values veteran mediocrity for their position players.  For all his many flaws, Julien has accumulated far more career WAR than either Clemens or Bride.

 

But with the small sample size Bride and Clemens has with the twins , the front office likes what they see for the time being ...

I too would have to agree with management this time , the defense should be better with Bride and Clemens on the team and any offense from them is a plus   ...

[Bad News TC Bears]

Edward Julian is another guy who shows flashes of good things.... Hopefully he'll get it all worked out. 

The Twins have had a decent number of guys that are trying to figure things out... Miranda, Martin, Festa, and other former players. Usually these guys leave and become stars elsewhere.... I.E Rooker, David Ortiz,.. etc.

Hopefully things will eventually trend up... Right? Law of averages......

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[RpR]

2 hours ago, Road trip said:

So at first glance it appears the Twins are giving up on Julien (age 26) so they can keep journeymen infielders Bride (age 29) and Clemens (age 29).  Yup, that's standard operating procedure for a FO that values veteran mediocrity for their position players.  For all his many flaws, Julien has accumulated far more career WAR than either Clemens or Bride.

 

On their worst days , their gloves far exceed Julien; he is where he belongs.

[bean5302]

2 hours ago, Rod Carews Birthday said:

The questions for Eddie Julien continue. . . 

1.  Can his swing be fixed in the minors at all?  Maybe?  Or it might take MLB pitching to make the appropriate adjustments...

I don't think his swing is the problem. I think the problem is he doesn't use it.

[Western SD Fan]

Julien is an example of a complete systems organizational failure.  Julien was an 18th round draft pick, which in of itself hard enough task to make the majors.  Julien basically had one tool, OBS with an incredible eye at the plate.  They didn't prepare him for non-ABS umps where strikes can be called 2-3 inches outside the zone, especially for a rookie or young player.  As we are starting to see with our other "stars" (Lewis, Miranda for example), that development didn't spend hardly any time in the minors on fielding.  Part of the reason that Correa or Buxton continue to get a pass is their impressive defense.  Bader keeps getting opportunities due to his defense.  Even Wallner or Larnach (when not injured) have decent enough defense to stay in the lineup even when their bat is scuffling, which happens to all hitters at some point during the year.  

I agree with @amjgt that Julien still has some developmental hope vs Clemens or Bride.  Julien just needs to get reps, either for a future trade or to come back to the club.  The other part, whether the numbers prove it out or not, is that on appearance, both Clemens and Bride provide better defense than Julien.  If all hitting at the moment is similarly bad, you take the players with the better defense.  

[Rod Carews Birthday]

1 hour ago, bean5302 said:

I don't think his swing is the problem. I think the problem is he doesn't use it.

Agreed, but I do question whether he can be fixed at AAA.  I have a feeling he's going to go there and dominate but not change anything meaningful in his approach.  I almost feel like he would be better off if he were traded to a truly terrible team like the White Sox that would just let him play everyday because they had no other options.  I think given enough time to sink or swim, he might just swim. 

He's not a budding all-star, but I think he could be a serviceable big leaguer somewhere. 

[arby58]

10 hours ago, twinstalker said:

LOL.  Yeah, he has time to figure something out over the next several years.  It's not a Twins thing, though.  It always amuses me when people don't want to move on from players who clearly don't get it and excuse them based on age, as if they're going to figure it out.  Basically you are who you are.  Andrew Wiggins was who he was, and it was obvious in his second year he wasn't going to get better for the Wolves.  The things that were missing were not a part of his mindset or character.  Yet "he's young" was the constant refrain.  No, he was just talented and bad at basketball, a combo that will only tease.

Andrew Wiggins is not 'bad at basketball.' He's been in the NBA for 10 years and has a player efficiency rating of 14.7, where 15.0 is average. That's not great, but it's not bad, either. Granted, he hasn't performed like the first pick in the NBA draft, but he has been an All Star and has been a starter on multiple play-off teams.

A better comparison would be, say, Delmon Young. Young had one very good year with the Twins, where he generated a 1.9 WAR. He had a negative WAR in 5 of the next 6 years, and his career WAR, over 10 years, was 3.2.

[JD-TWINS]

17 hours ago, Trov said:

I have not watched much this year.  I would say for sure last year it would get frustrating to see him take a pitch well out of the zone that gets called a strike.  I did see an at bat the other day were a pitch way out of zone is called a strike on him.  It was not a strike 3, but it makes the hitter think well now I need to try to hit something I cannot hit or I will get rung up. 

Didn’t seem to bother him in ‘24 as he lead baseball in backward K’s………guy in 2nd had 100 less PA’s. That, to me is telling. He’s mentally locked up in the box.