Phillies v Twins; 7/24 @ 12:10pm CT

[thelanges5]

Was there a 2nd half Kep sighting today?

[Jocko87]

This thread reads like a great Shakespearian tragedy.  

Some of you need to touch grass.

[Craig Arko]

1 minute ago, Jocko87 said:

This thread reads like a great Shakespearian tragedy.  

Some of you need to touch grass.

You give it way too much credit.

[Mike Sixel]

3 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

You give it way too much credit.

concur. 100 %. 

[Tlaker]

26 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

Glad they won.  Realistically they did it with a Philly misplayed flyball to LF to score to tie and an HBP with a WP chaser to get winning run.  Thats not negative its facts.

It was surprising to see Rocco employ the bunt in the 9th.  Hold that thought Rocco.

Especially in the bottom of the tenth!!

[jaimedude]

Any word on Buxton getting beaned? What extent of injury is? 

[Tlaker]

13 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

"Rocco sucks but at least his players want to win" when they win, "Rocco sucks" when they lose. Way to keep the players accountable!

Managerial decisions have consequences, no matter when they happen. 

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

16 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

"Rocco sucks but at least his players want to win" when they win, "Rocco sucks" when they lose. Way to keep the players accountable!

You're the master of hyperbole and creating false narratives. I never said Rocco sucks. But, his constant reliance on a pinch hitter that is now 0-25 in that role and before today his unwillingness to bunt a runner to 3B are things that should be called out. 

 

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

Just now, Tlaker said:

Managerial decisions have consequences, no matter when they happen. 

Right, but only the negative consequences are ever considered on his record. Guys failing to hit with the bases loaded becomes Rocco's fault by the end of the game, which is just funny to me. 

[KirbyHawk75]

Great game.  Hopefully Buxton is OK.    

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Does Rocco 'suck' - No.

Is Rocco a good manager - No.

Both of those statements can be true. Very rarely is anything going to fall entirely on one end of the spectrum. He's a mediocre to decent manager who makes questionable in-game decisions rooted in analytics rather than a feel for what's happening. Could the Twins do worse? Absolutely. But, could they have a better manager than Rocco? Yes, they could.

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

1 minute ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

You're the master of hyperbole and creating false narratives. I never said Rocco sucks. But, his constant reliance on a pinch hitter that is now 0-25 in that role and before today his unwillingness to bunt a runner to 3B are things that should be called out. 

Whatever you need to tell yourself!

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

1 minute ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Right, but only the negative consequences are ever considered on his record. Guys failing to hit with the bases loaded becomes Rocco's fault by the end of the game, which is just funny to me. 

Straw man argument at its finest.

[USAFChief]

41 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

"great points" I guess you mean all the posts trashing Rocco after he bunted the winning run to 3rd, doing exactly what those people wanted!

The hypocrisy is exhausting, so I thumbs down. I think you'll live!

Who trashed Rocco for bunting the winning run to 3rd??

Nobody.

Everyone was happy and surprised he did.

Pity he didn't do the same yesterday in the 10th.

Sheesh. At least attack people for what they actually said. 

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

Just now, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

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Right, but only the negative consequences are ever considered on his record. Guys failing to hit with the bases loaded becomes Rocco's fault by the end of the game, which is just funny to me. 

Straw man argument at its finest.

If you can't see that is exactly what happens around here, particularly with people seriously thinking he's cost the team upwards of 10 wins this year, I don't know what to tell you.

They had a bunch of chances to score runs before the Margot pinch hit, but that apparently was the game defining moment? Give me a break!

I'm viewed as some sort of Rocco defender, but the reality is that managers really don't have that much of an effect on the games - particularly regarding in-game moves. Creating a culture and the day-to-day refining and getting guys right is FAR more important.

I wouldn't really care if he got fired, but you can do a LOT worse than Rocco. And it's an undeniable fact that he's only criticized when a decision goes wrong and does not get anywhere near that amount of praise when a decision works out. 

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

Just now, USAFChief said:

Who trashed Rocco for bunting the winning run to 3rd??

Nobody.

Everyone was happy and surprised he did.

Pity he didn't do the same yesterday in the 10th.

The comments immediately after the game were that they won the game in spite of Rocco.

[Tlaker]

6 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Right, but only the negative consequences are ever considered on his record. Guys failing to hit with the bases loaded becomes Rocco's fault by the end of the game, which is just funny to me. 

Serious question …. why not bunt earlier in the game and possibly score a run or two? Why is bunting not viable, whenever it is a possibility?

[Craig Arko]

8 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Right, but only the negative consequences are ever considered on his record. Guys failing to hit with the bases loaded becomes Rocco's fault by the end of the game, which is just funny to me. 

Fortunately not by the people that count. 

[Tlaker]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Who trashed Rocco for bunting the winning run to 3rd??

Nobody.

Everyone was happy and surprised he did.

Pity he didn't do the same yesterday in the 10th.

Or today earlier in the game??

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

1 minute ago, Tlaker said:

Serious question …. why not bunt earlier in the game and possibly score a run or two? Why is bunting not viable, whenever it is a possibility?

Giving away an out for free is bad unless you only need 1 run to win the game. Not bunting is not a "Rocco" thing, it's a "baseball in 2024" thing.

The team with the most sacrifice bunts in the league has 18 in 102 games. 

[Tlaker]

11 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Whatever you need to tell yourself!

Is it not fair to question Rocco’s decision to keep using 0-25 Margot in a ph role?

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

The comments immediately after the game were that they won the game in spite of Rocco.

LOL.

Just admit you created a strawman out of whole cloth, ferpetesakes. 

Nobody...NOBODY...said what you claimed.

And for the record, they DID manage to overcome several quite questionable managerial moves. 

Just because players sometimes fail doesn't mean managers can't also fail.

 

 

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

Just now, Tlaker said:

Is it not fair to question Rocco’s decision to keep using 0-25 Margot in a ph role?

Sure, that's a bad decision. But acting like every time he does it it's some sort of game losing decision, when they grounded out with a guy on 3rd to end the inning multiple times is obviously a bigger reason for not scoring a run. And the alternative is having a lefty who hits .100-something face a specialist designed to get them out is guaranteed to succeed. 

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Just because players sometimes fail doesn't mean managers can't also fail.

And, like I've been saying this whole time, just because a manager's decision fails doesn't mean that he's responsible for the loss when there are much more obvious reasons they didn't score enough to win. 

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

Funny how simply not blaming everything on Rocco is enough to rile up so many folks. 

[Tlaker]

3 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Funny how simply not blaming everything on Rocco is enough to rile up so many folks. 

Are you new here? Are you happy with at best a .500 manager? And a front office that is happy with a .500 team?

[Craig Arko]

2 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Funny how simply not blaming everything on Rocco is enough to rile up so many folks. 

Making regular use of the ‘ignore user’ feature of the site can greatly enhance the experience.

[Parfigliano]

6 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Sure, that's a bad decision. But acting like every time he does it it's some sort of game losing decision, when they grounded out with a guy on 3rd to end the inning multiple times is obviously a bigger reason for not scoring a run. And the alternative is having a lefty who hits .100-something face a specialist designed to get them out is guaranteed to succeed. 

Fact.  That .100 is better then Margot's PH results.

[USAFChief]

9 minutes ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

And, like I've been saying this whole time, just because a manager's decision fails doesn't mean that he's responsible for the loss when there are much more obvious reasons they didn't score enough to win. 

Players play. They can't chose when/if to succeed. 

Managers have 100 percent control over their own decisions. 

Youre comparing apples and oranges.

When a player repeatedly fails, he gets replaced. 

I ask for the manager to be held to the same standard.

And for the record, the only person who came on thr game thread AFTER a walk off win to slap down other posters was you.

 

[Tlaker]

5 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Making regular use of the ‘ignore user’ feature of the site can greatly enhance the experience.

Living in an echo chamber is quite boring, and a great way to not possibly learn something new….. 🤷‍♂️