The Front Office's Investments in Veteran Depth Are Not Paying Off

[KirbyDome89]

4 hours ago, bean5302 said:

The Mariners did not want Desclafani, but the Giants needed to purge payroll in order to absorb Robbie Ray.
The Mariners had no plans to use Desclafani in the rotation
The Mariners didn't want to add to their payroll after making so many offseason transactions.

About 29 MLB teams were interested in the Mariners cost controlled rotation arms. There's no doubt the Twins were one of them. I'm sure Seattle pitched Desclafani to all 29 of them, but obviously nobody was interested because he had poor results and has been injured. As a free agent, he was a MiLB contract kinda guy. I just cannot imagine Falvey being so incompetent he actually asked for Desclafani when the Twins did not need another back end rotation arm and there were so many other options going for cheap on the market. But faced with the option of having nobody else interested in Polanco's contract, Falvey accepted Desclafani and cash with the hopes it would work out in the rotation. This to me is the most likely scenario. 
 

Whether Falvey asked or was offered it doesn't really matter, he accepted. 

We'll just disagree that 28 other teams had such little interest in a 2B with a solidly above average bat on a 1/$10M deal to the point where the Twins where eating nearly half his salary to give him away.   

[Mike Sixel]

13 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Whether Falvey asked or was offered it doesn't really matter, he accepted. 

We'll just disagree that 28 other teams had such little interest in a 2B with a solidly above average bat on a 1/$10M deal to the point where the Twins where eating nearly half his salary to give him away.   

They got other players too ... They didn't give him away. Not saying I liked the idea, but they got more value back, theoretically, than they gave up, by value of prospects. 

[KirbyDome89]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

They got other players too ... They didn't give him away. Not saying I liked the idea, but they got more value back, theoretically, than they gave up, by value of prospects. 

So Polanco had value and the Twins were forced to eat DeSclafani's salary in the deal. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, KirbyDome89 said:

So Polanco had value and the Twins were forced to eat DeSclafani's salary in the deal. 

Yes and no. I think they also rolled the dice on descafalini, for some reason I can't understand. 

[KirbyDome89]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Yes and no. I think they also rolled the dice on descafalini, for some reason I can't understand. 

Weren't**

Yeah, there's zero chance this FO begrudgingly ate $4M for somebody they had no interest in.

IMO the Polanco deal wasn't about shedding salary, it was about turning him into spare parts. It looked bad at the time, it looks even worse now. The narrative that DeSclafani was a throw in, or the Twins had to take on his salary just to move Polanco, ect is just cope. 

[DJL44]

FYI - Cubs are giving away a cheap 1B who looks about as good as Jose Miranda

[RpR]

58 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

FYI - Cubs are giving away a cheap 1B who looks about as good as Jose Miranda

Blechhh.

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

FYI - Cubs are giving away a cheap 1B who looks about as good as Jose Miranda

The Cubs also just designated veteran Garrett Cooper for assignment despite a rather productive 41 plate appearances to begin his season (.270/.341/.432, 118 wRC+). Cooper has punched out in more than 30% of his plate appearances and benefited from a .391 BABIP, which could be red flags for the Sox and other interested parties, however.

[Riverbrian]

10 hours ago, DJL44 said:

FYI - Cubs are giving away a cheap 1B who looks about as good as Jose Miranda

 

9 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

The Cubs also just designated veteran Garrett Cooper for assignment 

[Mike Sixel]

16 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

 

There was a lot more to my quote....

[Riverbrian]

9 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

There was a lot more to my quote....

There was but the rest wasn't as funny. 

[Brandon]

Nick you make some good points like Margot not being trusted in CF and Farmer not being trusted at SS but have you ever seen the Angels play?  They are a team that goes and signs the big name and doesn’t have money left in the budget for depth.  Comparing the two teams the Twins made the right call.  The bench is performing at the far and wrong end of their bell curve of possible outcomes.  I sure hope that evens out some. Last week it seems to against less good competition.  On the good news side of things, Correa should be back any day as is Duran and Topa.  Farmer will get a little more time to make a splash to keep his roster spot until LEwis comes back.  Miranda is hitting like he wants to stay here.  Santana should also be on notice with Miranda playing well.  But I think things are evening out and it’s a matter of time before Cleveland’s offense slows and our picks it up a notch.  We are back to 4th in the league in HRs.  

[Brandon]

Nick you make some good points like Margot not being trusted in CF and Farmer not being trusted at SS but have you ever seen the Angels play?  They are a team that goes and signs the big name and doesn’t have money left in the budget for depth.  Comparing the two teams the Twins made the right call.  The bench is performing at the far and wrong end of their bell curve of possible outcomes.  I sure hope that evens out some. Last week it seems to against less good competition.  On the good news side of things, Correa should be back any day as is Duran and Topa.  Farmer will get a little more time to make a splash to keep his roster spot until LEwis comes back.  Miranda is hitting like he wants to stay here.  Santana should also be on notice with Miranda playing well.  But I think things are evening out and it’s a matter of time before Cleveland’s offense slows and our picks it up a notch.  We are back to 4th in the league in HRs.  

[Brandon]

Nick you make some good points like Margot not being trusted in CF and Farmer not being trusted at SS but have you ever seen the Angels play?  They are a team that goes and signs the big name and doesn’t have money left in the budget for depth.  Comparing the two teams the Twins made the right call.  The bench is performing at the far and wrong end of their bell curve of possible outcomes.  I sure hope that evens out some. Last week it seems to against less good competition.  On the good news side of things, Correa should be back any day as is Duran and Topa.  Farmer will get a little more time to make a splash to keep his roster spot until LEwis comes back.  Miranda is hitting like he wants to stay here.  Santana should also be on notice with Miranda playing well.  But I think things are evening out and it’s a matter of time before Cleveland’s offense slows and our picks it up a notch.  We are back to 4th in the league in HRs.  

[Brandon]

Nick you make some good points like Margot not being trusted in CF and Farmer not being trusted at SS but have you ever seen the Angels play?  They are a team that goes and signs the big name and doesn’t have money left in the budget for depth.  Comparing the two teams the Twins made the right call.  The bench is performing at the far and wrong end of their bell curve of possible outcomes.  I sure hope that evens out some. Last week it seems to against less good competition.  On the good news side of things, Correa should be back any day as is Duran and Topa.  Farmer will get a little more time to make a splash to keep his roster spot until LEwis comes back.  Miranda is hitting like he wants to stay here.  Santana should also be on notice with Miranda playing well.  But I think things are evening out and it’s a matter of time before Cleveland’s offense slows and our picks it up a notch.  We are back to 4th in the league in HRs.