Chris Parmelee

[jorgenswest]

The Twins need to use this season to develop the pieces of their next team to win a playoff series. Both Parmelee and Arcia can be parts of that team.

 

Parmelee's OPS of 1102 in AAA last year indicates that he is ready to struggle at this level. His development will not move forward in AAA this year.

 

Assuming they want to start Arcia's service time clock and they decide that Arcia is ready to begin his struggle with major league pitching, it is time to reduce Doumit's role or trade Morneau. It doesn't have to be either Parmelee or Arcia.

[jorgenswest]

 

For the guy that said he'd "settle in" to an 800 OPS, that would have put him 33rd of qualifying OFers in all of baseball in 2012, that seems unlikely, and I'd hardly call that "settling in". I'm also not sure how that's "serviceable".

 

The slash line for AL play in RF in 2012

 

259/323/418

 

The OPS is 740. Three teams had an OPS of 800 or better in the AL. The White Sox(850), Indians (804) and Angels (802). The Twins were at the bottom of the list.

 

Is it enough to approach league average RF OPS this year knowing that he is very likely to grow over the following seasons?

[Mike Sixel]

If we assume that players struggle at first (not sure that is true, but ok), and you want to be competitive in 14/15, wouldn't you want Arcia up this year for sure?

 

Doumit isn't very good as a DH, but he's fine as a backup catcher.

[071063]

We've seen this act before from him. Gets to the majors, struggles, starts pressing and then struggles even more.

 

How long is his leash? His minus defense doesn't help his case and it's not like the Twins can afford another liability in the outfield with Chillingham in left. His throw to nab Torii at third was admittedly nice but that's not much in his favor.

 

I know we are only two games in but how long will the Twins put up Parm this year?

 

Oh my God! Really! It is 3 games. Go away!

[jorgenswest]

If we assume that players struggle at first (not sure that is true, but ok), and you want to be competitive in 14/15, wouldn't you want Arcia up this year for sure?

 

While Arcia projects to the better player, he has only played a half season above A-Ball. He will be able to develop in AAA for at least a half season.

 

Once they bring him up whether it is July or next year, he needs to play everyday and be allowed to work through his struggles.

[LaBombo]

Probably a lot less pop but still a serviceable player.

 

Restraint. Well done.

[Brock Beauchamp]

How much time, Brock, IF Arcia is ready? Let's say Arcia is ready June 1, and Parmalee is struggling, what do you do? Continue to punt on this year, and keep Arcia down to see if Parmalee can grow? Or bring up the guy that deserves to be up, and do whatever with Parmalee? It's not like the Twins had other options like Arcia sitting in the weeds when Cuddy and Kubes (see, I can be cool) were coming up.

 

Well, I think that entirely depends on where the Twins stand in the division. If they're bad, punt and give Chris one season to prove himself. If they're hanging on, field the best team possible and call up Arcia.

[diehardtwinsfan]

With the risk of also taking a beating, I have to say, despite the tone of the OP's first two paragraphs, his third seemed very hypothetical, and it actually is a good question. No one, including the OP is advocating a Parmelee demotion, but how long do you give him the job if he does end up struggling?

 

In the big picture, Parmelee may not be a huge piece of the puzzle, but his presence on the 25 man roster is balanced by two large and opposite variables. If star prospect Arcia deserves a promotion should the Twins block him be sticking with a hypothetically struggling Parmelee? On the other hand can you really resolve the Morneau delimma without a firm opinion of Parmelee's future abilities?

 

 

Unless the Twins are in contention, he gets the job all season long.

[LaBombo]

Seriously lay off Parm guys. The dude is from California and probably hasn't played much in 30 degree weather hence his terrible look at the plate for the first 3 games. Not saying that's for sure the issue but I've lived in Minnesota a long time and still cannot move regularly or in a loose fashion in the cold. Just saying some people really can't function at a high level if they're cold.

 

Absolutely. Correct.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/its-science-anchorman-150x150.gif

 

Bonus points for the use of the words "dude" and "California" in the same sentence. Kidding aside, there is truth in this point. As a Minnesotan who has lived in CA, that's spot on. That's a state full of people who can nonchalantly clip their toenails during a driveby or a 6.5 quake, but are reduced to shivering, helpless husks when the temperature dives below 50.

[Mike Sixel]

Well, I think that entirely depends on where the Twins stand in the division. If they're bad, punt and give Chris one season to prove himself. If they're hanging on, field the best team possible and call up Arcia.

 

Seeking to understand....are you saying if Arcia is ready, but the Twins suck, to keep him in AAA all year?

 

If so, ugh. Guys who are ready should be up, imo. Especially in a lost year, where you need to build for the future, especially if you think players need time to adjust to the majors.

[ThePuck]

Absolutely. Correct.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/its-science-anchorman-150x150.gif

 

Bonus points for the use of the words "dude" and "California" in the same sentence. Kidding aside, there is truth in this point. As a Minnesotan who has lived in CA, that's spot on. That's a state full of people who can nonchalantly clip their toenails during a driveby or a 6.5 quake, but are reduced to shivering, helpless husks when the temperature dives below 50.

 

I grew up in California...was at school during a 4.2 quake...it happened at lunchtime and no one even noticed we had a quake...

 

As far as the below 50 comment...that's more of a Southern California thing...

[stringer bell]

If Parmelee goes 4-4 today, do we forget this thread? I am on record as believing Morneau is gone, either at the trade deadline or at the end of the season and I see CP as the only viable replacement at first base. It does help his case that he plays a serviceable RF, but he is the Twins' near future as the first baseman.

[snepp]

Parmelee could go 0-5 with 5 k's and I'd still forget this thread.

[jorgenswest]

Seeking to understand....are you saying if Arcia is ready, but the Twins suck, to keep him in AAA all year?

 

If so, ugh. Guys who are ready should be up, imo. Especially in a lost year, where you need to build for the future, especially if you think players need time to adjust to the majors.

 

What is the definition of ready? How is it measured?

 

Parmelee crushed AAA pitching last year. It doesn't mean he is ready to crush major league pitching.

[Ultima Ratio]

Maybe a good comparison would be Garrett Jones and a similar position for the Twins with 1B belonging to Morneau (for a couple more months anyway). If Parm turns into a Jone-type MLB player at 1B, is that enough? Jones has a career MLB OPS of .785

[Brock Beauchamp]

Absolutely. Correct.

 

Bonus points for the use of the words "dude" and "California" in the same sentence. Kidding aside, there is truth in this point. As a Minnesotan who has lived in CA, that's spot on. That's a state full of people who can nonchalantly clip their toenails during a driveby or a 6.5 quake, but are reduced to shivering, helpless husks when the temperature dives below 50.

 

Yep. Spent 17 years in SD and LA. Cold weather is not something those people are prepared to face.

 

And by cold, I really mean "55 degrees".

[snepp]

And by cold, I really mean "55 degrees".

 

Aka, shorts weather.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Seeking to understand....are you saying if Arcia is ready, but the Twins suck, to keep him in AAA all year?

 

If so, ugh. Guys who are ready should be up, imo. Especially in a lost year, where you need to build for the future, especially if you think players need time to adjust to the majors.

 

If Arcia can't be fit on the roster without benching Parmelee then yes, keep him in AAA.

 

I want to see Oswaldo up as much as anybody but the Twins need to figure out their current roster before piling on with more question marks.

 

Of course, this could all be solved with a trade of Morneau and/or Willingham.

[Riverbrian]

If Parmelee goes 4-4 today, do we forget this thread? I am on record as believing Morneau is gone, either at the trade deadline or at the end of the season and I see CP as the only viable replacement at first base. It does help his case that he plays a serviceable RF, but he is the Twins' near future as the first baseman.

 

I agree Stringer... Parmelee will be alright... its a little soon for the concern...

 

I believe that Parmelee will be fine as the days roll on... I also believe that Arcia will be called up this year and also do well and I also believe that Morneau is going to do very well and sign a new contract with the Twins for 2014 despite rumors of his availability at the trade deadline.

 

I also believe that Gardy or the new Manager will figure it out and give everyone decent playing time in 2014 and the Twins wii be stronger in 2014 because of it.

 

I also believe that the Primanti Sandwich will taste incredible even if I've never had one.

[Mike Sixel]

"ready" is whatever Terry Ryan thinks it is, imo.

 

edit: and, I think Parmalee has a chance to be a legit MLB player, so I'd prefer they not give up on him. But I also don't want legit MLB players sitting in AAA while other guys get to play that are not ready. It's kind of a conundrum, frankly.

[Brock Beauchamp]

"ready" is whatever Terry Ryan thinks it is, imo.

 

edit: and, I think Parmalee has a chance to be a legit MLB player, so I'd prefer they not give up on him. But I also don't want legit MLB players sitting in AAA while other guys get to play that are not ready. It's kind of a conundrum, frankly.

 

It is. And depending on how things play out this season, there may be no good answers.

[ThePuck]

Yep. Spent 17 years in SD and LA. Cold weather is not something those people are prepared to face.

 

And by cold, I really mean "55 degrees".

 

When I was in the Air Force, I got sent down to Biloxi to the NCO Academy. One of the things we get evaluated on towards the end of the course is outdoor marching drills. Thing is, they have a regulation at that base that says if it's below 50 (or maybe it was if AT 50 or below), then outdoor drills are suspended...even if it's for an exam. Having lived for years in N Dakota for years, I found this funny when it came time for the outdoor marching drills exam and it was cancelled cause it was 49 degrees and all we could do was indoor drills in the classroom.

[Aaron Cross]

Jeepers, don't give up on Parmelee yet! I'm very happy he has something to build on now with his last atbat yesterday. It lifted alot of pressure off his shoulders. I'd actually be happy with Ramirez playing RF against leftys. Parms would still get the majority of atbats.

[Riverbrian]

When I was in the Air Force, I got sent down to Biloxi to the NCO Academy. One of the things we get evaluated on towards the end of the course is outdoor marching drills. Thing is, they have a regulation at that base that says if it's below 50 (or maybe it was if AT 50 or below), then outdoor drills are suspended...even if it's for an exam. Having lived for years in N Dakota for years, I found this funny when it came time for the outdoor marching drills exam and it was cancelled cause it was 49 degrees and all we could do was indoor drills in the classroom.

 

50 degree I throw the shorts on and smile in my comfort.

 

I took a trip to Hilton Head one summer. I was walking the beach in shorts and a tank top at night. The Temp was about 55 degrees and I was feeling good.

 

The South Carolinians were pointing at me like I was a green bug. They had fairly heavy coats on and were rubbing their hands together next to bonfires.

 

Our worlds didn't make sense to each other.

[Alex]

If Arcia can't be fit on the roster without benching Parmelee then yes, keep him in AAA.

 

I want to see Oswaldo up as much as anybody but the Twins need to figure out their current roster before piling on with more question marks.

 

Of course, this could all be solved with a trade of Morneau and/or Willingham.

 

A spot opens up for Arcia when they trade Morneau....or Willingham....

[Ultima Ratio]

Does Parm have one option left?

[old nurse]

The Florimon flip

[Oxtung]

Parmelee has a history of struggling the first time he see's a level just like Hicks does.

 

2007 Beloit .727 OPS

2008 Beloit .881 OPS

 

2009 Ft Meyers .800 OPS

2010 Ft Meyers .893 OPS

 

2010 New Britain .731 OPS

2011 New Britain .801 OPS

 

 

Here's another fun fact: Brian Dozier has 348 MLB PA's while Chris Parmelee has 310. Should Dozier be sent back to AAA as well? How about Trevor Plouffe? He had 364 PA's before his "breakout" 2012 season. He had a .668 OPS versus Parmelee's .760 OPS.

 

Prospects often struggle and need to be given more than half a season's worth of PA's before you determine if they are going to hack it.

[TheLeviathan]

I feel like Picard had something appropriate to say about a thread like this. Now what was it.....

[snepp]

I feel like Picard had something appropriate to say about a thread like this. Now what was it.....

 

Did it involve a face, and a palm?