So, the Yankees tried to acquire Simmons at the deadline

[nicksaviking]

Josh Winder was promoted to AAA on July 2nd after slaughtering AA. Why not to the majors when the Twins instead called up the zero ceiling Griffin Jax? Followed the next day by the struggling JA Happ. 
 

The MLB team was literally out of contention before the second week of the minor league season was over. Why did Balazovic have any more than five starts at AA? They knew the MLB team was toast before he even threw a pitch. Once healthy, why wasn’t the top pitching prospects fast tracked to at least get AAA innings? They knew 2022 rotation was going to have several vacancies; they really needed to see what he could do.

Strotman didn’t do well at St Paul, but he was doing well at AAA for TB. Why wasn’t he IMMEDIATELY brought to the big league club after the team traded for him?

[saviking]

So, I would have taken the lowest rated player in the Yankee system just to save Simmons salary the rest of the year .. Trading him was a no brainer, not to mention you would have been doing a good thing for Simmons as he would have joined a play-off contender.  That's why I don't think this rumor is true. It would have made too much logic not to trade him.

[Gatormandd]

Maybe they did it to spite him for tanking and wanting to go to a contender?

 

[Squirrel]

8 minutes ago, Gatormandd said:

Maybe they did it to spite him for tanking and wanting to go to a contender?

 

Could you clarify this for me, please ... are you saying you think Simmons deliberately played poorly in the hopes of getting traded to a contending team?

[LanceJS]

On 10/9/2021 at 4:26 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

And as I said in a chat with friends, if there is news about what the Yankees are doing, it’s reported. Is there a more media-smothered team in all of sports than the Yankees?

Until 2020, the New England Patriots.  Also, sticking with baseball, a very close second to the Yankees would be the Red Sox. 

 

[LanceJS]

On 10/11/2021 at 11:47 AM, LewFordLives said:

Simmons for Judge straight up. Why couldn't they get it done?

I doubt there were serious discussions. If the Yankees really wanted Simmons I gotta think a ptbnl would have gotten a deal done.

Sadly, there are many "experts" out there who will complain that the Twins, because they are so "cheap", didn't get this deal done. 

[Gatormandd]

Maybe, not in the manner of "I'm going to deliberately play bad", but in the "this team stinks, I'm in a slump and the fans are killing me, maybe I'm better off somewhere else" type of way.  I don't have access to any personal opinions/discussions, but unless there was an injury I just don't understand the complete lack of hitting.

 

[cHawk]

58 minutes ago, Gatormandd said:

Maybe, not in the manner of "I'm going to deliberately play bad", but in the "this team stinks, I'm in a slump and the fans are killing me, maybe I'm better off somewhere else" type of way.  I don't have access to any personal opinions/discussions, but unless there was an injury I just don't understand the complete lack of hitting.

I never heard anything about an injury. The only thing I heard about was COVID. Maybe that was part of it? He was hot before he caught it and the team shut down and around then he began to be awful the whole year.

[Old fox]

There seems to be a lot of grouches about the signing of Simmons last spring. He wasn’t brought to the Twins for his bat but for his defense at ss and he did a very good job. This move also helped out at 2b by  moving Polanco there. Simmons saved more games than Sano’s homers did. Simmons errors didn’t lose as many games as Sano’s strike outs. There isn’t that many points difference between Simmons and Sano’s batting averages.  What difference does it make if the Yanks made inquiry about Simmons availability or not? The Twins did play a better game of baseball the last half of season 21. It almost appears that Jeter would not have satisfied anyone in Twins land. 

[Rosterman]

If this is true, would've done it jsut for payroll relief, and to open up more at bats for Drew Maggi.

 

That the Twins weren't able to also unload Pineda or Colome speaks highly of the free-agent class of 2021.

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

29 minutes ago, Old fox said:

There seems to be a lot of grouches about the signing of Simmons last spring. He wasn’t brought to the Twins for his bat but for his defense at ss and he did a very good job. This move also helped out at 2b by  moving Polanco there. Simmons saved more games than Sano’s homers did. Simmons errors didn’t lose as many games as Sano’s strike outs. There isn’t that many points difference between Simmons and Sano’s batting averages.  What difference does it make if the Yanks made inquiry about Simmons availability or not? The Twins did play a better game of baseball the last half of season 21. It almost appears that Jeter would not have satisfied anyone in Twins land. 

The thing is that we have actual numbers to verify the accuracy of statements of this kind and by pretty much every metric you can dig up, Sano was a more valuable player than Simmons in 2021.

Yeah, Simmons was a good defender but was 25 runs below replacement level with the bat. That's absurd.

Accepting that Simmons was a really bad player in 2021 should be automatic to this discussion. The question is whether his bat will rebound in 2022, not whether he was terrible in 2021 (he was).

[USAFChief]

18 minutes ago, Rosterman said:

If this is true, would've done it ... to open up more at bats for Drew Maggi.

 

 

 

Another data point not in Falvine's favor.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

This topic still galls me to no end.  If true, this was malpractice. 

[RpR]

On 12/11/2021 at 9:43 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

The thing is that we have actual numbers to verify the accuracy of statements of this kind and by pretty much every metric you can dig up, Sano was a more valuable player than Simmons in 2021.

Yeah, Simmons was a good defender but was 25 runs below replacement level with the bat. That's absurd.

Accepting that Simmons was a really bad player in 2021 should be automatic to this discussion. The question is whether his bat will rebound in 2022, not whether he was terrible in 2021 (he was).

By that logic, Arraez throwing the ball into right field on an easy play, to lose a game, means that he should be gone already just like Blankenthron was dumped, brilliant.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, RpR said:

By that logic, Arraez throwing the ball into right field on an easy play, to lose a game, means that he should be gone already just like Blankenthron was dumped, brilliant.