Lindor Trade

[baul0010]

I've read a couple articles noting the Dodgers would like to trade for Lindor.  From what I read it sounds like it would be Lux, May, maybe even Seager.  With a couple years of team control and the Dodgers unwillingness to give out long term deals, this seems like a steep price.  

 

After watching Lindor beat up the twins for the last 3 to 4 years I want the Twins to throw their hat into the ring.  Lindor is one of my favorite non-twin players to watch.  I understand the Indians would not want to deal within the division... Unless they are blown away.  

 

I would not hold back and would be willing to offer a package the exceeded the Dodgers.  If the Indians wanted Royce Lewis, Kiriloff, and Graterol I would pull the switch.   If the Indians wanted more Major league talent I'd consider Buxton instead of Lewis.  A trade for Lindor is going to hurt any franchises talent pool.

 

I would only consider this if Lindor would agree to a contract extension.  Sign me up if Lindor would take 10 years and 300 mil of the Pohlad's money!

 

The front office has done a great job stocking talent.  As much as the trade would hurt, we'd still have Duran, Alcala, and Balazovic on the pitching side.  There would still be Larnach, Rooker, and Cavaco as upside hitters as well.  

 

Please tell me why I'm nuts and this couldn't work!

[tarheeltwinsfan]

 

I've read a couple articles noting the Dodgers would like to trade for Lindor.  From what I read it sounds like it would be Lux, May, maybe even Seager.  With a couple years of team control and the Dodgers unwillingness to give out long term deals, this seems like a steep price.  

 

After watching Lindor beat up the twins for the last 3 to 4 years I want the Twins to throw their hat into the ring.  Lindor is one of my favorite non-twin players to watch.  I understand the Indians would not want to deal within the division... Unless they are blown away.  

 

I would not hold back and would be willing to offer a package the exceeded the Dodgers.  If the Indians wanted Royce Lewis, Kiriloff, and Graterol I would pull the switch.   If the Indians wanted more Major league talent I'd consider Buxton instead of Lewis.  A trade for Lindor is going to hurt any franchises talent pool.

 

I would only consider this if Lindor would agree to a contract extension.  Sign me up if Lindor would take 10 years and 300 mil of the Pohlad's money!

 

The front office has done a great job stocking talent.  As much as the trade would hurt, we'd still have Duran, Alcala, and Balazovic on the pitching side.  There would still be Larnach, Rooker, and Cavaco as upside hitters as well.  

 

Please tell me why I'm nuts and this couldn't work!

You're nuts. This won't work. The Twins would be giving up 3 probable starters and potential all stars for 1 all star. The Twins best ML pitching prospect, the Twins best IF prospect (SS) and the Twins best OF prospect.

[drivlikejehu]

Actually the impossible part is the extension, not the prospects.

[baul0010]

I think that too.  But you said it.  POTENTIAL all starts.  For AN all-star.  Who maybe on a hall of fame trajectory.   

 

Major league baseball is full of prospects with all star potential that don't work out.  The likelihood all three develop into all-stars is probably very slim.

[baul0010]

 

Actually the impossible part is the extension, not the prospects.

 

Because the Twins wouldn't do it?  Or because it's not possible?

 

[cmoss84]

Throw those same prospects out there to Colorado. Arenado. 7 years.

[baul0010]

 

Throw those same prospects out there to Colorado. Arenado. 7 years.

 

I like that too.  I think both those players are amazing.

 

[cardsfan]

Arenado can opt out in 2 years.

[TopGunn#22]

Maybe he's not Lindor, but if you could get Trevor Story that would be HUGE.  How many more year's would we have Story ?  If the Rockies are willing to "listen" on Arenado, they would certainly be willing to listen on  Story.  Move Sano to 1B, Polanco to 2B and Arraez  to 3B.  Your infield defense just got a LOT better with Story at SS (because honestly, unless you improve your SS defense in the infield, you're not really improving your IF defense) and the lineup just got a LOT better.  You could acquire Story for less than it would take to get Lindor.  What do you guys think we'd have to give up ??

[Otto von Ballpark]

Maybe he's not Lindor, but if you could get Trevor Story that would be HUGE. How many more year's would we have Story ?

Story has 2 years club control left. He will probably earn around $25 mil in arbitration in that time.

[bird]

 

Maybe he's not Lindor, but if you could get Trevor Story that would be HUGE.  How many more year's would we have Story ?  If the Rockies are willing to "listen" on Arenado, they would certainly be willing to listen on  Story.  Move Sano to 1B, Polanco to 2B and Arraez  to 3B.  Your infield defense just got a LOT better with Story at SS (because honestly, unless you improve your SS defense in the infield, you're not really improving your IF defense) and the lineup just got a LOT better.  You could acquire Story for less than it would take to get Lindor.  What do you guys think we'd have to give up ??

 

 

 

Given how often the shift is on, I wonder if 3B defense isn't the bigger opportunity.

[AZTwin]

Maybe he's not Lindor, but if you could get Trevor Story that would be HUGE. How many more year's would we have Story ? If the Rockies are willing to "listen" on Arenado, they would certainly be willing to listen on Story. Move Sano to 1B, Polanco to 2B and Arraez to 3B. Your infield defense just got a LOT better with Story at SS (because honestly, unless you improve your SS defense in the infield, you're not really improving your IF defense) and the lineup just got a LOT better. You could acquire Story for less than it would take to get Lindor. What do you guys think we'd have to give up ??

Trevor Story - Id give them Alex Kirilloff (top 20 prospect in all of baseball), Nick Gordon (pretty safe bet), Gilberto Celestino (high upside player). May need to throw in a pitcher with some upside like Cole Sands or Chris Valimount

[old nurse]

If the trade was Lindor for Lux and May as the centerpieces the trade would be done. The hold might be the Dodgers wanting to send a bad contract with the players.

[USAFChief]

Trevor Story - Id give them Alex Kirilloff (top 20 prospect in all of baseball), Nick Gordon (pretty safe bet), Gilberto Celestino (high upside player). May need to throw in a pitcher with some upside like Cole Sands or Chris Valimount

you need to throw in St Paul.

 

That's a laughable offer.

[cmoss84]

Arenado can opt out in 2 years.

Fairly certain I read somewhere a year can be added to his contract if he waives his no trade clause and it would make his opt out disappear. Trick would be getting him to waive it and want to play in mn.

[Rigby]

 

you need to throw in St Paul.

That's a laughable offer.

 

I would prefer to give them St. Joan. She has a burning desire to get out of town.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

you need to throw in St Paul.

That's a laughable offer.

Actually it's not too bad. Remember, Story is only controlled 2 more years, and not that cheaply (although not that bad compared to FA prices, ~$25 mil total). baseballtradevalues.com has Kirilloff and Story as pretty close in median future value.

 

But he has been a ~6 WAR player the past 2 years, so close to equal value may not incentivize the Rockies to actually deal him. They might want Lewis instead of Kirilloff, or better second pieces (like one of our top pitching prospects).

[akmanak]

Only ring the Twins are going to throw is the ones they bring to the pawn shop to use for their slush fund.

[sweetmusicviola16]

Unless the Tribe is blew away by an offer for Lindor he's staying. Kluber was their salary dump. They don't need to shed more payroll so I'd suspect that Lindor stays in Cleveland.

[Physics Guy]

I was pondering this the other day as I question whether Polanco can stay at SS. Picking up a SS at the level of Lindor or Story would be great so that we could move Jorge to 2B. I started with thinking of trades involving Arraez and a couple of prospects, but then started wondering if Polanco's contract as a cost-effective SS might be appealing to both Cle and Col.  Might they be able to structure a trade for one of them around Polanco and a couple of prospects not named Lewis, Kirilloff and Graterol?  Both Story and Lindor are only controlled for another 2 years whereas Polanco can be controlled thru 2025.

[cardsfan]

You know what I like about Colorado players? They have had all of these great hitters, but, when they go to other teams suddenly their batting average and power numbers go down. I remember Holiday losing HR power and batting average though he didn't bomb like Tulo did.

[Major League Ready]

The Indians are not trading Lindor to the Twins and the twins are not trading Lewis or Kirilloff for anything other than a top of the rotation SP. 

[jhoffman]

A little bit crazy but why not make it a blockbuster trade with the Rockies? They want to unload Aranado's contract, and Sano only has 2 more years of team control. Assuming the Rockies can't afford to extend Story, Polanco has 5 more years of team control. (So basically you are swapping Aranado's length of control and high cost for Polanco's length of control and cheap contract and swapping Sano's 2 years for Story's 2 years). Twins need Jon Gray, so add Rosario and Thorpe to the deal. Aranado, Story, and Gray for Sano, Polanco, Rosario, and Thorpe. Twins get a huge improvement in infield defense, add an all star third baseman, get a better shortstop than Polanco, and add a good starter, Story holds down short until Lewis is ready. Sign both Thames and Cron to platoon at first. Prospects fight it out for left field.

[Mike Sixel]

 

A little bit crazy but why not make it a blockbuster trade with the Rockies? They want to unload Aranado's contract, and Sano only has 2 more years of team control. Assuming the Rockies can't afford to extend Story, Polanco has 5 more years of team control. (So basically you are swapping Aranado's length of control and high cost for Polanco's length of control and cheap contract and swapping Sano's 2 years for Story's 2 years). Twins need Jon Gray, so add Rosario and Thorpe to the deal. Aranado, Story, and Gray for Sano, Polanco, Rosario, and Thorpe. Twins get a huge improvement in infield defense, add an all star third baseman, get a better shortstop than Polanco, and add a good starter, Story holds down short until Lewis is ready. Sign both Thames and Cron to platoon at first. Prospects fight it out for left field.

 

Why would CO do that? They get worse right away, and in the long run, for 1 ok prospect? No way. You'd have to add 2-3 top 10 prospects to that get the conversation started.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

A little bit crazy but why not make it a blockbuster trade with the Rockies? They want to unload Aranado's contract, and Sano only has 2 more years of team control. Assuming the Rockies can't afford to extend Story, Polanco has 5 more years of team control. (So basically you are swapping Aranado's length of control and high cost for Polanco's length of control and cheap contract and swapping Sano's 2 years for Story's 2 years). Twins need Jon Gray, so add Rosario and Thorpe to the deal. Aranado, Story, and Gray for Sano, Polanco, Rosario, and Thorpe. Twins get a huge improvement in infield defense, add an all star third baseman, get a better shortstop than Polanco, and add a good starter, Story holds down short until Lewis is ready. Sign both Thames and Cron to platoon at first. Prospects fight it out for left field.

I appreciate the chutzpah, but in terms of valuable assets, this is more or less Polanco for Arenado, Story, and Gray with some Twins expiring assets tacked on.

 

Just in terms of 2019 bWAR, the Rockies would be giving up 16.6, and only getting back 10.4 (most of that tied up in one player, Polanco). Yes, they save money, but this makes them very likely to get worse from 2019's 71 win season, so why would they bother getting back Sano and Rosario and their two years of control at arb prices?