Reusse's suggestion for the 2019 Twins Marketing Slogan

[USAFChief]

"Wish us Luck."

 

It appears Falvine have lost the confidence of one Pat Reusse. 

 

As usual, there's a lot of truth in Pat's take, unpopular as it might be.

 

 

http://www.startribune.com/twins-preach-sustainability-then-foster-silliness/491813121/

 

[Craig Arko]

That appellation applies to a lot more than baseball in 2019.

[alarp33]

I guess I am failing to see the point of this article. Buxton and Sano have had disaster seasons? Ok... what exactly does that have to do with Falvey / Levine? Last I checked they didn't draft or sign either. 

 

Bottom of roster has shuffled a lot in a terrible season? Sure, which team in the major hasn't had this? Anyone drawing a conclusion about Falvey / Levine based on how many innings Belisle or Hale pitched this year has an axe to grand for no reason. 

 

I don't expect more from Reusse at this point, it's a lazy article meant to troll.  Soon he'll focus his attention on tearing down PJ Fleck and all the good things he is doing. 

[Platoon]

Patrick's has some valid points. I normally am fairly on board with his takes, acerbic as they can be. But To touch on a couple I am not completely on board with:

 

Sano and Buxton were not only appraised as true talents by the locals. It was a national perception. We weren't simply being schmucks.

 

There are 40 man ad 25 man roster issues to deal with when moving players. It's not simply a wave of the hand.

 

Sustainability can also be defined as NOT simply blowing things up. And they haven't. Also, as much as I hate to admit it, the fact that a Gonsalves was such a highly touted piece for the rotation, and at this point looks at best a LOOGY (SSS noted) does not reflect positively on the MiLB ready talent level.

 

I will look for the FO to move in relievers for auditions this fall at a minimum. And I will then expect Molitor to pitch them, hell or high water. He won't of course.

 

I could be completely wrong, I have been before, but I would bet that Reusse gives Molitor a full pass on this season, and on his managerial abilities. In that matter I totally disagree with the the Fulda Flash.

 

All that said, I am sure most of this thread will turn into a Reusse diatribe by the 2nd page!

[ashbury]

A curmudgeonly way of stating, "the FO has their work cut out for them this off-season". I didn't take it as much more than that.

 

Surely Reusse isn't interested in team marketing slogans themselves - those are probably Dave St Peter's domain anyway. (Though, "Bring A Coat" was well played.) And the inside-baseball maneuvering of the waiver wire and so forth, likewise isn't really his issue, since other teams do the same things too.

 

It's just... this team is approaching a crisis point with regard to their much anticipated window of contention, and Reusse isn't apparently interested in hearing about pie in the sky at the low-minors level that buys the front office another 5 years of honeymoon. Sustainability isn't what he's looking for, it's present performance and some hope for 2019. He wants some success worth sustaining.

[Mike Sixel]

I agree with him that the masses (and even most here) care about actual winning of games more than hope for the future. No one is buying a ticket this yer or next year because the minor league system is deep. The FO will have to figure out how to do that more than 1 season in a row for buyers to return.

[mikelink45]

I like Ruesse's essay.  I find a lot of truth in it.  Must be that I too am an Old Guy and have followed the Twins since day one - 1961.  This team does not give me a lot of hope right now.  Buxton and Sano have shown us that minor league greatness does not translate to major league stardom.  

 

Good for Patrick - tweak this FO - I think that they deserve it no matter how nice they appear to be. 

[alarp33]

 

I like Ruesse's essay.  I find a lot of truth in it.  Must be that I too am an Old Guy and have followed the Twins since day one - 1961.  This team does not give me a lot of hope right now.  Buxton and Sano have shown us that minor league greatness does not translate to major league stardom.  

 

Good for Patrick - tweak this FO - I think that they deserve it no matter how nice they appear to be. 

 

What did he tweak the FO for? I read the article and don't understand his point. Buxton and Sano struggling? A few crappy relievers sharing the 24th/25th roster spots off and on throughout the season?

[Number3]

The shame is that its still 1 month to go in 2018 and the topic is 2019. How about finishing above .500 in 2018 after a nice finish including winning a series against the Yankees? How about simply fielding a competitive team in 2019, getting a new manager with some fire in his belly and going out and winning games?

[howieramone2]

Howie baseball is a great marketing slogan!

[mickeymental]

remember that second game in puerto rico? that was awesome.

[Platoon]

Howie baseball is a great marketing slogan!

You realize you are then on the hook for next years results?

[Blackjack]

 

 

 

Soon he'll focus his attention on tearing down PJ Fleck and all the good things he is doing. 

 

Until PJ starts winning Big Ten games he's just Tim Brewster reincarnated.

[Blackjack]

 

 

"Wish us Luck."

 

You could say that about every team every year - Are they going to stay healthy? Will players play up to their players going to perform like past years? You could go on and on about every team and what needs to go right in order for them to win.

[alarp33]

 

Until PJ starts winning Big Ten games he's just Tim Brewster reincarnated.

 

Great analysis, thanks for chiming in. PJ Fleck coached in a Cotton Bowl 2 years ago, Tim Brewster was a tight ends coach before Maturi hired him. But other than that you nailed it

 

FWIW I was talking about Reusse mocking the good that Fleck is doing in the community, and his "Row the Boat" mantra, which was created to honor his dead son. 

[jkcarew]

The jab at the FO for Belisle, and the relievers that have seen the 25-man this year is fair.  Molitor can't use them if the FO doesn't sign them and agree to put them on the 25-man.  Also, it is somewhat amusing (in a sad way) that so many connected with the Twins (not just the Twins) seem not to have had a back-up marketing plan when Buxton became a total non-factor...which was about one month into the season.  Still seeing more Buxton spots (or at least as many) as I see Rosario, Berrios, or anyone not named Joe.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Back to Falvey, the problem with "Sustainability!" is that it doesn't really mean anything. That message has a hungry receptive audience here at TD and in the smart guy prospect ranking industry, but it doesn't really resonate with the fan base.

[alarp33]

 

Back to Falvey, the problem with "Sustainability!" is that it doesn't really mean anything. That message has a hungry receptive audience here at TD and in the smart guy prospect ranking industry, but it doesn't really resonate with the fan base.

 

The audience at TD is not in the fan base?

 

Falvey's job is not to sell tickets and never will be. It is to build a baseball team that wins a lot of games over an extended period of time. The tickets will take care of themselves when that happens

[KirbyDome89]

 

I guess I am failing to see the point of this article. Buxton and Sano have had disaster seasons? Ok... what exactly does that have to do with Falvey / Levine? Last I checked they didn't draft or sign either. 

 

Bottom of roster has shuffled a lot in a terrible season? Sure, which team in the major hasn't had this? Anyone drawing a conclusion about Falvey / Levine based on how many innings Belisle or Hale pitched this year has an axe to grand for no reason. 

 

I don't expect more from Reusse at this point, it's a lazy article meant to troll.  Soon he'll focus his attention on tearing down PJ Fleck and all the good things he is doing. 

 

 

What did he tweak the FO for? I read the article and don't understand his point. Buxton and Sano struggling? A few crappy relievers sharing the 24th/25th roster spots off and on throughout the season?

 

I'm not a huge fan of Patrick either, but he's shedding light on the same things that a lot of us have been talking about on TD for a while. Pointing out obvious failures isn't grinding an axe. 

[Vanimal46]

2019 Minnesota Twins:

 

"We're offering more specialty food items to distract you from mediocre baseball!"

[alarp33]

 

I'm not a huge fan of Patrick either, but he's shedding light on the same things that a lot of us have been talking about on TD for a while. Pointing out obvious failures isn't grinding an axe. 

 

I think he's trying to draw a conclusion that sustainability doesn't mean anything because there has been a roster shuffle in the 24/25th man slots? I'm sorry but is there a team in the majors that doesn't have this?

 

Is his point that because Sano and Buxton have yet to turn into stars, you shouldn't build a teams farm system up? I think we can all agree thats about the silliest conclusion ever (how did the Astros turn things around?)

[mickeymental]

 

2019 Minnesota Twins:

"We're offering more specialty food items to distract you from mediocre baseball!"

try homemade pork chop on a stick: mmm mmm mmm.

[birddog]

I liked the article and thought it was spot on. Lots of folks to blame for this season. I didn't blame Falvine until they started signing other teams' discards instead of finding out what our prospects could do, especially in the relief corps. I predicted a 90-win season back in March after FO made their moves. I am confident they will make the trades and free agent signings--Escobar for starters--that will bring us back to respectability. I think Reuse just lit the fire while it's still early enough to see what we have on our 40-man roster. 

 

However, I think their shopping in the waiver dumpster signified a huge need to upgrade our minor league system. I hope they pursue some of the minor league gurus from the A's and Rays, because Rooker, Kiriloff, Lewis, Graterol, and Larnach can't become prospects who missed.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

The audience at TD is not in the fan base?

 

Very tiny fraction of it.

[alarp33]

 

Very tiny fraction of it.

And you know that all portions of the fan base, not on TD, do not agree with building the farm system? ok. 

[RatherBeGolfing]

Insert *old man yells at cloud meme*

 

In all seriousness, he has some valid points but it also is the classic Pat doesn't like anyone under the age of 50 article.

[Dantes929]

"Wish us luck" is not going to be the slogan but could be as far as I am concerned.    I have been wishing the Twins to have some luck for 45 years now and sometimes they do.   Puckett, Hrbeck, Viola et al were together a lot of seasons and sometimes it worked and sometimes it did not.  Its really not such a stretch to think Buxton and Sano will have good seasons and that some pitchers will as well?    Romero wasn't bad at all and I am guessing Gonsalves is way better than he has shown thus far.   Get May back in the rotation and be lucky with a few more guys having good seasons and I will look forward to next year.     

[mikelink45]

 

What did he tweak the FO for? I read the article and don't understand his point. Buxton and Sano struggling? A few crappy relievers sharing the 24th/25th roster spots off and on throughout the season?

Lot's of teams lose players to injury - like an Aaron Judge or have a player not perform like a Yu Darvish.  This is part of baseball.  Responding to it is what makes a FO.  What else are we paying them for?

[Mike Sixel]

 

And you know that all portions of the fan base, not on TD, do not agree with building the farm system? ok. 

 

that's not even close to the point.....fans want MLB wins, they don't go to MLB games because the farm system is good or bad. No one said anything about "not agreeing with building the farm system".

[alarp33]

 

that's not even close to the point.....fans want MLB wins, they don't go to MLB games because the farm system is good or bad. No one said anything about "not agreeing with building the farm system".

 

Of course fans want wins, isn't sustainability specifically about winning over an extended period of time? Why does that message not "resonate with the entire fan base"? What is the suggestion, Falvey's job should be to focus on 2019, and 2019 only at this point.. trade Lewis, Kiriloff, etc because they are unlikely to help in 2019?