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[Mike Sixel]

Per request.....new thread! this seems like a really odd post to start with, which makes sense for a thread about the Twins and Internet...

 

abel
3:11 will the twins move rodney?

Dan Szymborski
3:11 I suspect they do
3:12 I really really need Rodney to play for awhile.
After Ichiro's retirement, I'm down to three players older than me:  Bartolo Colon, Fernando Rodney, and Joaquin Benoit

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dan-szymborski-fangraphs-chat-7-23-18/

[Mike Sixel]

While Ervin Santana hasn’t pitched in the Majors this season after undergoing surgery to repair a tendon in his right middle finger this February, scouts are planning to closely watch the Twins right-hander’s 2018 debut this week, Passan notes.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/yankees-trade-rumors-brandon-drury-relievers.html

[gunnarthor]

 

While Ervin Santana hasn’t pitched in the Majors this season after undergoing surgery to repair a tendon in his right middle finger this February, scouts are planning to closely watch the Twins right-hander’s 2018 debut this week, Passan notes.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/yankees-trade-rumors-brandon-drury-relievers.html

I hadn't really thought about it but Santana really could be a nice trade pickup for some team down the stretch. If he's healthy, of course. 

[Mike Sixel]

maybe the Red Sox will find themselves in on Brian Dozier and the other available second-base options.

 

The Phillies are certain to check in on most every reliever available, and ought to see if they can land either Twins shortstop Eduardo Escobar or Royals third baseman Mike Moustakas.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-yankees-need-pitching-dodgers-next-move-and-more-storylines-to-watch/

[Mike Sixel]

Ultimately, it will be Kirilloff’s bat that makes or breaks him, and he looks on track to be a force in the middle of a future Twins’ lineup.

 

This is from an article in The Athletic...so subscription. It's about 6 OF in the minors to pay attn to.....

[amjgt]

Do you have a link for The Athletic article. I can’t find it

[amjgt]

Never mind... I found it. Their search engine is terrible I guess. You’d think search for his name would find a result. Guess not.

[nater79a]

Mike Petriello throwing out a tweet on moves the Brewers could make, including Dozier + Lynn.

 

[Vanimal46]

Maybe Lynn reclaims some future FA value back in the NL Central.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Never mind... I found it. Their search engine is terrible I guess. You’d think search for his name would find a result. Guess not.

 

They have more work to do on the technical end for sure.....sorry, still should have posted it.

[twins_89]

 

I hadn't really thought about it but Santana really could be a nice trade pickup for some team down the stretch. If he's healthy, of course. 

 

If Santana can get a mph or two back on his fastball (sit 90-92 instead of 89-90) I think a he could be used as an add on piece to get a better caliber of prospect in a Dozier or Escobar trade (assuming the Twins eat most Santana's salary).

[amjgt]

Gotta send him through waivers on Aug 1 and hope he builds a little value in the first few weeks of August.

[Vanimal46]

Is it only 1 player per team that can be put on waivers for an August trade?

[Riverbrian]

This is awesome Mike

 

Thank You

[amjgt]

Is it only 1 player per team that can be put on waivers for an August trade?

Pretty sure it’s unlimited. Most of the roster will likely get put on waivers. No harm in it.

[Mike Sixel]

In an article about what sellers' strategies should be:

 

"One top prospect" candidates
Teams: Mets, Pirates, Reds, Twins

The Pirates, Reds, and Twins all have strong farm systems and promising young talent on their big-league rosters already. They're best positioned to take a shot at a high-end talent. Also, those are three teams that can't afford stars on the open market. They have to grow their own stars, so go after those elite prospects at the trade deadline, even if it means getting fewer players in return.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/selling-at-the-mlb-trade-deadline-who-should-aim-for-a-mejia-and-who-should-target-a-big-package/

[Vanimal46]

In an article about what sellers' strategies should be:

 

"One top prospect" candidates

Teams: Mets, Pirates, Reds, Twins

The Pirates, Reds, and Twins all have strong farm systems and promising young talent on their big-league rosters already. They're best positioned to take a shot at a high-end talent. Also, those are three teams that can't afford stars on the open market. They have to grow their own stars, so go after those elite prospects at the trade deadline, even if it means getting fewer players in return.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/selling-at-the-mlb-trade-deadline-who-should-aim-for-a-mejia-and-who-should-target-a-big-package/

I concur with this assessment. They don't need 3-4 C+ prospects. They need 1 B/B+ prospect.

[Mike Sixel]

Josh
10:34 I saw a rumor yesterday that Milwaukee is interested in Moustakas and would be open to using Travis Shaw at 2B. This...can’t be true, can it?  Does Dozier to the Brewers almost feel inevitable?
Jeff Sullivan
10:35 I'm sure it's just something they've thought about, and it's not crazy, given that Shaw is a good defensive 3B and the adjustment to 2B isn't dramatic
10:36 That being said, that's like more of an offseason move, since Shaw hasn't played an inning at second in the majors in his career. Would have very little time to pick it up, and, importantly, Mike Moustakas isn't very good
Dozier fits. Escobar also fits

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jeff-sullivan-fangraphs-chat-7-24-18/

[jorgenswest]

In an article about what sellers' strategies should be:

 

"One top prospect" candidates

Teams: Mets, Pirates, Reds, Twins

The Pirates, Reds, and Twins all have strong farm systems and promising young talent on their big-league rosters already. They're best positioned to take a shot at a high-end talent. Also, those are three teams that can't afford stars on the open market. They have to grow their own stars, so go after those elite prospects at the trade deadline, even if it means getting fewer players in return.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/selling-at-the-mlb-trade-deadline-who-should-aim-for-a-mejia-and-who-should-target-a-big-package/

I think this should be the goal of every team.

 

We should also keep this in mind as we speculate on trades for players like a Realmuto or Archer. It is going to take our best prospect. Someone will make that offer.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I think this should be the goal of every team.

We should also keep this in mind as we speculate on trades for players like a Realmuto or Archer. It is going to take our best prospect. Someone will make that offer.

 

Not really. If you have a terrible farm system, you probably want lots of numbers. Not having lots of negative WAR players on your roster is a huge boost to really bad teams.....

[nicksaviking]

 

Mike Petriello throwing out a tweet on moves the Brewers could make, including Dozier + Lynn.

 

 

Duffy and Merrifield have three and four years of control left, I think KC would be doing themselves a disservice moving them both in the same package at the trade deadline. Both contending clubs and clubs who think they'll contend soon would have interest in those kinds of players, but you'd probably only get bids from contenders mid-season.

[jorgenswest]

Not really. If you have a terrible farm system, you probably want lots of numbers. Not having lots of negative WAR players on your roster is a huge boost to really bad teams.....

We disagree. It is so hard to get elite players. You those high ceiling prospects every time over guys like Gonsalves and Gordon.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

We disagree. It is so hard to get elite players. You those high ceiling prospects every time over guys like Gonsalves and Gordon.

I'm not sure either of these guys are low ceiling. Perhaps a bit lower than when they were drafted, but both could still be well above average major leaguers.

 

I do think you're right that we should be attempting to acquire elite prospects, but guys like Gonsalves/Gordon aren't bad gets.

[Mike Sixel]

Swishdelish
3:39 Whats a name no one is talking about the yankees might grab as a starter?  Also are they really considering Floria for Britton?

 

Steve Adams
3:40 I don't know why no one is talking much about Kyle Gibson as a trade candidate. Reasonable salary, velocity is up, K's and swinging strikes are up, grounders are still solid. Controlled through 2019. Not necessarily just for the Yankees -- he'd certainly help them -- but he should be on more radars I think. Might write about that tonight. Maybe the Twins have no interest in moving him, but they have a lot of upper-level pitching prospects and plenty of money to spend this winter... they can afford to move him

 

Falvey plan
4:09 Does Molly survive this year in Minnesota?

Steve Adams
4:09 Not his fault that Buxton, Sano and Ervin have been total non-factors in 2018, and he was just extended last year. He'll stick around.

 

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/chat-with-mlbtrs-steve-adams-7-24-18-3618.html

[Mike Sixel]

Proposal No. 4 (via @lou_sigillo)
Yankees get: Right-hander Lance Lynn
Twins get: Right-hander Sonny Gray

 

 

This is an interesting thought for both teams to consider and one that could make sense if the Yankees think Lynn gives them a better chance than Gray to win a World Series title this season. Gray is under control through 2019, making him more attractive to the Twins than Lynn, who is set to become a free agent in a few months. Both pitchers' numbers seem similar at first glance, but Lynn has looked much better over his past 10 starts (4.30 ERA).

 

 

Who says no? The Yankees. While Lynn has pitched better of late, the difference between him and Gray isn't significant enough for New York to give up Gray's remaining year of control. The Yanks can always trade Gray in the offseason if things don't turn around, and they should be able to find a team that thinks Gray can rebound if he gets away from Yankee Stadium, where he has posted a lifetime 6.55 ERA in 15 starts.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/trade-deadline-proposals/c-286451634

[amjgt]

I'm not sure either of these guys are low ceiling. Perhaps a bit lower than when they were drafted, but both could still be well above average major leaguers.

 

I do think you're right that we should be attempting to acquire elite prospects, but guys like Gonsalves/Gordon aren't bad gets.

Gonsalves was what... a fifth rounder? I’d say that draft pick was tremendous so far.

 

His upside is just fine. There are plenty of instances of guys that “lacked upside” that turned in cy young candidates (not that that’s what I’m predicting here)

[TheLeviathan]

 

Proposal No. 4 (via @lou_sigillo)
Yankees get: Right-hander Lance Lynn
Twins get: Right-hander Sonny Gray

 

 

This is an interesting thought for both teams to consider and one that could make sense if the Yankees think Lynn gives them a better chance than Gray to win a World Series title this season. Gray is under control through 2019, making him more attractive to the Twins than Lynn, who is set to become a free agent in a few months. Both pitchers' numbers seem similar at first glance, but Lynn has looked much better over his past 10 starts (4.30 ERA).

 

 

Who says no? The Yankees. While Lynn has pitched better of late, the difference between him and Gray isn't significant enough for New York to give up Gray's remaining year of control. The Yanks can always trade Gray in the offseason if things don't turn around, and they should be able to find a team that thinks Gray can rebound if he gets away from Yankee Stadium, where he has posted a lifetime 6.55 ERA in 15 starts.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/trade-deadline-proposals/c-286451634

 

What about Gibson for Gray and a high end spec?  That would intrigue me a lot.

[Mike Sixel]

 

What about Gibson for Gray and a high end spec?  That would intrigue me a lot.

 

I would certainly consider that......

[TheLeviathan]

 

I would certainly consider that......

 

One can dream.

[Mike Sixel]

The Athletic has an article ranking the best SP available (Gibson is not listed) at the trade deadline:

 

Lynn is number 14. Requires subscription.

 

A short bit of it:

A trade of underperforming starters has been mentioned, including a floated proposal for Sonny Gray of the Yankees.

 

 

https://theathletic.com/445348/2018/07/25/bowden-ranking-the-21-best-arms-available-on-the-starting-pitching-trade-market/