What will the roster moves be today?

[bighat]

 

I bet the fans are very excited about a few relief pitchers, and polanco is no rookie. Nor did I say we would never see this exciting collecting of newcomers again.

Jorge is not on the roster, not is he likely a long term starter. Mejia is not new this year.

So , your argument is the fans will be excited by three relief pitchers?

 

Gotta agree with you here, Mike!  All of the Twins' first-year rookies are middle relievers...about as exciting as a box of Corn Flakes.  I can't get all giddy about that.  Granite hasn't blown me away as his ceiling looks to be that of a 4th outfielder.  You see all these great young players coming up and hitting right away in other organizations.  Meanwhile the Twins' best offensive prospects can barely keep above the Mendoza line.

 

The Twins just don't have much organizational talent. Tough pill to swallow but true. And worse yet, they lost 103 games last year, and are making a strong push for 90 losses as they've fallen off a cliff. We've seen this movie before and it doesn't end well.

[Vanimal46]

You know the options are very, very limited when they keep going back to Gibson.... 

[Mike Sixel]

 

No, my argument was that somehow you missed seeing the young players added this year.  Young players is the word you used not rookies. Of course Sano , Kepler and Buxton are now just old, boring pos yesterday's news like Berrios.  No. The Twins do not have any young players.  That Rosario is going to be 26. Get that old fart out of here.

 

"added this year" was kind of an important phrase in that post you are now completely ignoring.

[The Wise One]

 

"added this year" was kind of an important phrase in that post you are now completely ignoring.

Polanco does not have a year of service time, so he is still a first year player but not eligible for ROY

1b and 2b have seasoned vets under contract. One has a no trade clause, the other did not receive a good enough offer to be traded.. the outfield and 3b have young players that have not reached their potential, what the heck else besides relievers Berrios and Mejia did you expect them to add? Are you going to get excited about a 4th outfielder or utility infielder while deriding adding relievers?

 

Econ 101. Look at the attendance history, young players do not bring in the fans. Fans that pay money are what counts to the organization.  1996 and 1997 when the Twins hired Molitor as a player saw a nearly 400,000 increase in attendance. The start of the hype of Sano and Buxton careers was not met this that kind of bump. There are people who want new faces to talk about  because yesterday's players are boring to them, but new, good potentially great players do not appear to be what draws in fans.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Polanco does not have a year of service time, so he is still a first year player but not eligible for ROY

1b and 2b have seasoned vets under contract. One has a no trade clause, the other did not receive a good enough offer to be traded.. the outfield and 3b have young players that have not reached their potential, what the heck else besides relievers Berrios and Mejia did you expect them to add? Are you going to get excited about a 4th outfielder or utility infielder while deriding adding relievers?

 

Econ 101. Look at the attendance history, young players do not bring in the fans. Fans that pay money are what counts to the organization.  1996 and 1997 when the Twins hired Molitor as a player saw a nearly 400,000 increase in attendance. The start of the hype of Sano and Buxton careers was not met this that kind of bump. There are people who want new faces to talk about  because yesterday's players are boring to them, but new, good potentially great players do not appear to be what draws in fans.

 

winning brings in fans, possibly hope. They won't win in 2018 with Colon getting starts this year, and Garver not getting any time here this year. 

 

If you think fans are looking at this team, and are excited about next year, we disagree. I'm cool with that. Right now, they are both not looking to the future, and not putting butts in seats. I'd suggest trying something different than old, bad, players that aren't part of future. They might turn out to be more ready for next year than we think. They might not, but unless you think it will ruin their development, there is currently no reason not to move on, imo.

 

also, imo, the average fan has no idea/care what that first sentence means, in terms of "what did they do to get better", I'd guess they don't view him as a new player this year. that's a guess.

[Linus]

My bigger disappointment is the lack of promotion in the minors. I can understand if they think Gonsalves et.al.arent ready to help the big club but it's baffling to me why they aren't in Rochester at this point.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Polanco does not have a year of service time, so he is still a first year player but not eligible for ROY

1b and 2b have seasoned vets under contract. One has a no trade clause, the other did not receive a good enough offer to be traded.. the outfield and 3b have young players that have not reached their potential, what the heck else besides relievers Berrios and Mejia did you expect them to add? Are you going to get excited about a 4th outfielder or utility infielder while deriding adding relievers?

 

Econ 101. Look at the attendance history, young players do not bring in the fans. Fans that pay money are what counts to the organization. 1996 and 1997 when the Twins hired Molitor as a player saw a nearly 400,000 increase in attendance. The start of the hype of Sano and Buxton careers was not met this that kind of bump. There are people who want new faces to talk about because yesterday's players are boring to them, but new, good potentially great players do not appear to be what draws in fans.

Polanco is a first year player and out of options.... uff da... 4 years of first year eligibility doesn't really inspire

 

So it was Molitor that brought in 400k more fans and not the 22 more wins than 94 or 95?

[Richie the Rally Goat]

My bigger disappointment is the lack of promotion in the minors. I can understand if they think Gonsalves et.al.arent ready to help the big club but it's baffling to me why they aren't in Rochester at this point.

agreed. They also need players behind Gonsalves et. al. to gain experience in the upper levels of the minors. Depth needs to created not purchased

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Econ 101. Look at the attendance history, young players do not bring in the fans. Fans that pay money are what counts to the organization.  1996 and 1997 when the Twins hired Molitor as a player saw a nearly 400,000 increase in attendance.

Remember the strike that wiped out the 1994-1995 offseason?  I suspect that's what made attendance so low in 1995 as opposed to 1996, rather than the absence of Molitor.  (And since they played a shortened season in 1995, your "nearly 400k increase" was actually under 250k, prorated.)

 

Also, Molitor (and Steinbach, and Aguilera, and Tewksbury, etc.) was still playing with the Twins in 1998, when per-game attendance dropped below even 1995 strike levels.  Maybe it was that 1997-1998 offseason deal to sell the team to Don Beaver and move them to North Carolina?

 

Note how little attendance changed after Puckett's retirement -- they only lost 108 fans per game from 1996 to 1997.

 

Maybe there are too many factors going on here to try to link modest attendance changes to the presence of specific players?

[KirbyDome89]

 

So, no player over the age of 25 is ever supposed to play?   That logic would also prevent  the team from signing any free agents to augment the team

Not AT ALL what I said, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you knew that....

 

The use of older/less upside players, whether from within the organization or the waiver wire, has been given priority over younger/more talented pitchers in the organization. I'm not sure how that is debatable given the names that have pitched this season. 

[Danchat]

 

Hector Santiago (back) has rejoined the Twins after completing a rehab assignment. He's in the clubhouse, awaiting his next role. Pen possible next wk.

From Berardino

 

I'm thinking Santiago is going to take Gee's role as the mop-up guy. Gibson probably takes Busenitz's spot unless they decide to send Granite back to AAA and go with 13 pitchers.

[old nurse]

 

Not AT ALL what I said, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you knew that....

 

The use of older/less upside players, whether from within the organization or the waiver wire, has been given priority over younger/more talented pitchers in the organization. I'm not sure how that is debatable given the names that have pitched this season. 

You listed a whole lot of players  under 30.  What you could not list is a list of players that shows they were wrong to use the players they did.

[KirbyDome89]

 

You listed a whole lot of players  under 30.  What you could not list is a list of players that shows they were wrong to use the players they did.

Nobody can know whether the prospects would've performed better than that list. Personally I think they easily could've, because apart from possibly Boshers it was a pretty poor performance all around by those pitchers. I can't "prove," whether the Twins were right or wrong, but to say that somehow invalidates my point is fallacy, and it's ignoring the FACT which is that older/less upside pitchers were heavily preferred. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

From Berardino

 

I'm thinking Santiago is going to take Gee's role as the mop-up guy. Gibson probably takes Busenitz's spot unless they decide to send Granite back to AAA and go with 13 pitchers.

13 pitchers it is then

[Rosterman]

Who are the Twins currently marketing as players. I know last year they were HOPING to do Byung-Ho Park. Of course, Sano is there. Mauer? Who does Kemps do a growth chart of at the Fairgrounds. Heck, who would draw if you put them on the kids field at the State Fair this year?

 

 

[The Wise One]

 

Remember the strike that wiped out the 1994-1995 offseason?  I suspect that's what made attendance so low in 1995 as opposed to 1996, rather than the absence of Molitor.  (And since they played a shortened season in 1995, your "nearly 400k increase" was actually under 250k, prorated.)

 

Also, Molitor (and Steinbach, and Aguilera, and Tewksbury, etc.) was still playing with the Twins in 1998, when per-game attendance dropped below even 1995 strike levels.  Maybe it was that 1997-1998 offseason deal to sell the team to Don Beaver and move them to North Carolina?

 

Note how little attendance changed after Puckett's retirement -- they only lost 108 fans per game from 1996 to 1997.

 

Maybe there are too many factors going on here to try to link modest attendance changes to the presence of specific players?

Molitor declined in 98. Stienbach was no longer elite when he signed. Aggie wasn't what he was, nor was Tweksbury. Stars wanted, but not washed up ones

[The Wise One]

 

winning brings in fans, possibly hope. They won't win in 2018 with Colon getting starts this year, and Garver not getting any time here this year. 

 

 

Garver a startingpitcher  in Rochester? That is a news flash there.  Are the Twins going to win in 2018 with Turley starting instead of Colon?  If neither Gibson nor Santiago are going to be here next year, how about cutting them now? Same for Gee, Belisle, Boshers, and any other. They should be bold and just call up the AA squad right now. That will bring success. There must be a reason why teams don't call up lower ceiling pitchers directly from AA