What would the cost in terms of Prospects be for Neshek

[Brandon]

Neshek currently pitches for Philidelphia on the last year of a 3 year contract making 6.5 million. He could really help our pen right now. What would he cost in terms of prospects? This is not a should we thread. This is what do you think his value is in terms of our prospects in a trade. We can talk about the merrits of should we get help in another thread.

[Brandon]

I'm thinking a decent prospect like Wells or a strong reliver like Melotakis.

[Vanimal46]

Depends on if they take on his entire salary or if Philadelphia takes on a portion of it. Can't imagine it's more than a marginal prospect like the Abad for Pat Light trade last year. 

[drjim]

 

Depends on if they take on his entire salary or if Philadelphia takes on a portion of it. Can't imagine it's more than a marginal prospect like the Abad for Pat Light trade last year. 

 

That would probably be Melotakis. Seems like a fair swap to me if the Twins want to buy this deadline.

[Mike Sixel]

Melo, Granite, Palka.....guys like that. I think. Maybe 1 of those guys, and a low guy? Not sure.

[SwainZag]

 

Melo, Granite, Palka.....guys like that. I think. Maybe 1 of those guys, and a low guy? Not sure.

 

Is the upside of any of those guys worth trading for a guy who turns 37 this year and in this last year of his contract?

[Vanimal46]

 

That would probably be Melotakis. Seems like a fair swap to me if the Twins want to buy this deadline.

 

Concur. I'd make that trade as well. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Is the upside of any of those guys worth trading for a guy who turns 37 this year and in this last year of his contract?

 

I would not trade Melo for him, no chance. Zero.

 

I would trade Palka, as I don't think he will hit enough, or field enough, to matter to this team (Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Grossman, Wade, Granite, etc).

 

I would be hesitant to trade Granite for him.

 

I wouldn't trade anyone for him right now, as I don't think they are truly contenders still. If he's the third guy you pick up, after a legit SP and better RP? Sure.....Or if you are in first in July, sure.

[Doomtints]

The Twins don't have enough worthwhile prospects to start shuffling them off for relievers. Do you remember a guy named Bill Smith?

 

if the Twins won't play Melotakis after him being on the roster all these years, why the heck would anybody else?  Dumping him off would be great but the Twins would get the same type of player in return.

 

If the Twins want to build the bullpen they'll have to do it with good old fashioned cash.  

[Vanimal46]

 

I would not trade Melo for him, no chance. Zero.

 

I would trade Palka, as I don't think he will hit enough, or field enough, to matter to this team (Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Grossman, Wade, Granite, etc).

 

I would be hesitant to trade Granite for him.

 

I wouldn't trade anyone for him right now, as I don't think they are truly contenders still. If he's the third guy you pick up, after a legit SP and better RP? Sure.....Or if you are in first in July, sure.

 

Given the very conservative approach moving prospects through the system, do you have confidence Melotakis will help out in any way this year? 

 

If he doesn't contribute at the MLB level this year, we're talking about a player entering his age 27 season with ~20-30 innings of AAA experience next season. That's getting very close to non-prospect territory. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Given the very conservative approach moving prospects through the system, do you have confidence Melotakis will help out in any way this year? 

 

If he doesn't contribute at the MLB level this year, we're talking about a player entering his age 27 season with ~20-30 innings of AAA experience next season. That's getting very close to non-prospect territory. 

 

I share your concern.....about all the RPs in the minors at this point. I'm hopeful this is some kind of "wait to mid season" philosophy, and also about Molitor asking for veterans.....both of which I hope "break" in the next couple weeks.

[drjim]

Zero chance to trade Melotakis? I'd trade him for almost anything of value that the team needed.

 

Leaving aside the Twins not wanting to call him up for whatever reason, what do you think he actually becomes?

[Mike Sixel]

 

Zero chance to trade Melotakis? I'd trade him for almost anything of value that the team needed.

 

Leaving aside the Twins not wanting to call him up for whatever reason, what do you think he actually becomes?

 

Not sure, but Neshak is 37......I'd like to see if Melo can give them 2-3 years of pitching. It's irrational, probably. We were talking about trading him for a 37 yo, with 4 months left on his contract, on a team I don't think is a real contender.....not hypothetically for "anything of value".

[Vanimal46]

Frankly I think it's more of a risk to count on Melotakis giving 2-3 years of good pitching in the future. Can't speak for Jim, but I do think there's a real opportunity to contend this season. Cleveland was thought of as the automatic division winner, but no one saw their rotation collapsing like it has. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

Frankly I think it's more of a risk to count on Melotakis giving 2-3 years of good pitching in the future. Can't speak for Jim, but I do think there's a real opportunity to contend this season. Cleveland was thought of as the automatic division winner, but no one saw their rotation collapsing like it has. 

 

Fair, I did say it was probably irrational hope....

[Brandon]

Cool thanms for your input. I wanted to see what a consensus fair value is for him. I imagine that if we traded Melotakis for him Philly wkuld probably pick up half of whats left on the contract. Also i dont think a move like that hurts us long term either. I would do that to bolster the pen and then wait and see what we have. As of right now we are not co tenders as we are a few pieces short. Namely in the pen.

[Brandon]

Getting an arm or 2 however and were in business i think. But we have to act.

[Blake]

 

Given the very conservative approach moving prospects through the system, do you have confidence Melotakis will help out in any way this year? 

 

If he doesn't contribute at the MLB level this year, we're talking about a player entering his age 27 season with ~20-30 innings of AAA experience next season. That's getting very close to non-prospect territory. 

 

I can see the FO trading prospects for people they can control for a two or three years. I don't see the team trading for a rental. I think next year is rental year.

[yarnivek1972]

Getting an arm or 2 however and were in business i think. But we have to act.

Do you see how one or two arms makes a dent into the garbage pit that passes for a relief corp?

[Thrylos]

After the last week, I am not sure that the Twins should be trading for Neshek.  I think what they are trying to do: throw minor leaguers to the pen, a couple a time and see whether might stick is a better strategy.  They got to figure out what they have, before they lose them to free agency.   No need for Neshek who is btw one of my personal favorite Twins of all time...

[Thrylos]

To answer the original question (What would the cost in terms of Prospects be for Neshek), my opinion is that since the person who will be heavily advised regarding the Twins' prospects in that trade is the one who has been overvaluing them tremendously, surprisingly low...

[Brandon]

 

Do you see how one or two arms makes a dent into the garbage pit that passes for a relief corp?

 

We have 4 solid arms in the garbage that is currently our relief corps.   I do think Pressley can get it turned around and be number 5.  the others are Rogers, Kintzler, Duffey and Breslow.    Adding Neshek leaves us 1 reliever short.  or 2 till Pressley gets back on track.  And i think Neshek could be had next year on a reasonable 1 or 2 year contract.  3-4 million per season since he'll be at home.

 

That still leaves us room to brink up relief pitcher prospects and give tryouts and enough to try to win games with.  and if by the deadline we need another reliever we can go out and get another one then.

[jud6312]

Too much.

 

You're essentially talking about a rotation that has one guy pitching at an unsustainable career-year level; a (at least essentially) rookie who is (hopefully) getting his first long-term, uninterrupted chance to start in the bigs; a veteran #5 who is coming back down to earth; a rookie #5 who's going to be hit or miss; and two former RH "anchors" whose better days seem to be WAY behind them.

 

Then you have a bullpen that has a veteran closer who's probably better suited for a setup role; solid, but young, LH and RH setup men that will probably have their ups and downs; a veteran LOOGY that likes to walk lefties and at almost 37 is still trying to find the right arm slot; and a veritable who cares of batting practice pitchers who, I can only assume, are kept around to improve the self-esteem of the other team.

 

So, unless the plan is to acquire 1-2 starters; 3-4 bullpen arms; and either a backup catcher that can hit or 4th OF that can play defense, then there's no point.

[yarnivek1972]

What if Pressly doesn't get back on track?  What if, as is actually quite likely, he's hurt?  What if Breslow can't stop walking left handed batters?  He used to allow them to get hits, now he just walks them.  It's still resulted in a .300 obp vs LHP.  That's not good for someone who is supposed to be a lefty-one-OUT-guy.

 

Duffey got hammered today. What if he can't physically handle the workload?  Rogers is on pace to work 90 games.  What if he breaks down?

 

Kintzler already has blown two saves.  And since he can't strike hitters out when he needs it, walks a tight rope whenever he pitches.

 

This bullpen isn't in nearly as good of condition as you think it is.

[yarnivek1972]

The ultimate question is why trade for Neshek when a guy with a quirky delivery is wasting the best year of his life in AAA.

[mudcat14]

They could probably have him for a song.  If they agreed to take Hellickson and assume both of their salaries.  I'm not suggesting either would be particularly effective, but they could help stabilize a staff that is currently in turmoil.

[nicksaviking]

Neshek is a rental. Unless we're counting on him to pitch 200 innings out of the pen, why should this team target a single rental? He's not making this team a contender any more than he's making the superior Phillies pen a contender.

 

You could talk me into Hector Neris perhaps.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Neshek might come fairly cheap at the deadline, but I don't think he would come that cheaply right now. He is on a very modest contract and performing well. They can always deal him for marginal return at the deadline, so what incentive would they have to move him for marginal return right now? They are not eating any of his salary right now, that is sure.

[Vanimal46]

 

Neshek is a rental. Unless we're counting on him to pitch 200 innings out of the pen, why should this team target a single rental? He's not making this team a contender any more than he's making the superior Phillies pen a contender.

You could talk me into Hector Neris perhaps.

 

That's true. Targeting a single rental is similar to 2015 and won't get them over the hump. This thread I'm sure is the first of many potential pitchers to target throughout the season... 

My game plan would be:

- Find a SP (aiming high -- #3-ish guy)

- 2 bullpen arms 

 

If it can't be done, then you could convince me to do a 180 and trade off a couple of veterans... 

[spinowner]

I would not give up anyone on the 40-man or anyone who is too young to be on the 40-man. Whatever players are left that I would consider trading for Neshek would almost certainly not be enough to get him. I highly doubt Philly would agree to what I would offer, partly because a team in a stronger position to contend than we are is going to offer more.