Arcia optioned to Rochester

[jokin]

There was little doubt, but the Twins made it official:

 

 

 

The Twins reinstated outfielder Oswaldo Arcia from his rehab assignment, and optioned him to AAA-Rochester.
Arcia was originally placed on the 15-day disabled list on May 4 with a hip injury. Prior to that, he was hitting .276 with a 6-game hitting streak.

The move comes as little surprise, since general manager Terry Ryan said he told Arcia that his return to the majors wasn’t automatic upon recovering from the hip flexor injury. “We’ve gotten away from ‘go down, get a couple of at-bats and come back up,’ “ Ryan said on May 23. “All of a sudden, the guy is 0-for-12 and not helping the team. … He needs to look like he’s ready to help us.”

 

Arcia finally did get his first hit in AAA this afternoon, in the first game of the Red Wings DH.  A year ago, in a similar situation, Arcia stayed in Rochester for a month before finally being recalled on May 26.

 

That of course leaves Vargas and Pinto on the current potential recall list.  Another game or two of hitting futility might force the issue.

[gunnarthor]

Yeah, I was really hoping Arcia would come up and take over DH.  They really need to address that.

[twinsnorth49]

Yeah, I was really hoping Arcia would come up and take over DH. They really need to address that.

I heard a couple of people mention the same thing, somewhere, can't remember though.

[Willihammer]

FYI, he's got to stay there at least 10 days.

 

Vargas could be recalled.

 

Otherwise we are looking at more Eds at DH.

[nicksaviking]

I don't like this yo-yoing of young players. I think the front office is fooling themselves if they think they're going to rebuild the club by identifying the next generation of talent with random month-long call ups that may or may not result in everyday at bats.

[Otwins]

I am not understanding your comment. Do you think they should have brought Arcia to the Twins? 

[jokin]

 

I am not understanding your comment. Do you think they should have brought Arcia to the Twins? 

 

Absolutely not.  The best thing that happened to Arcia last season was spending that month in AAA purgatory.

[Shane Wahl]

On no planet is it justified for Oswaldo Arcia to be stuck playing for the Rochester Red Wings.

[tellis205]

I could see this coming when they kept Eddie Rosario very late into Spring Training.  In fact,

there was a short period of time when I thought they were actually thinking of keeping Eddie until

I was told differently.  I believe they were trying to send a message to Oswaldo.  Bottom line is that he's gotta stay healthy and be more consistent.  And does anyone feel good about seeing him in the outfield? He's got a good arm but that's it!

[jokin]

 

On no planet is it justified for Oswaldo Arcia to be stuck playing for the Rochester Red Wings.

 

 

At Rochester, Arcia has now struck out   7 times in 18 ABs.  (1 BB, 2 hits).   Give him a little more time to get his swing back, it worked out well for him last year in the same scenario.

[drjim]

 

On no planet is it justified for Oswaldo Arcia to be stuck playing for the Rochester Red Wings.

 

Interesting. I see keeping Arcia down as among the most justified things this front office is currently doing.

[nicksaviking]

I am not understanding your comment. Do you think they should have brought Arcia to the Twins?

 

Yes, but worse yet is if Varfas gets recalled. If he is, why was he ever sent down?

[Mike Sixel]

No areal surprise. The surprise to me is that they have not traded him at some point, to a team that values defense even less than they do. There is not room for him, ABW3, Vargas and maybe Sano/Plouffe on the same team. Me? I'd have traded him and received value for him by now.

[twinsnorth49]

Interesting. I see keeping Arcia down as among the most justified things this front office is currently doing.

Defensively? Sure, if TR and Molly don't want someone who can only DH and not play a position, I somewhat get it (although not that much) . Imo, the things Arcia needs to work through at the plate don't exist in AAA, the pitchers down there are not going to consistently feed him the off speed and breaking stuff he struggles with. He'd be better off working on that with Bruno and the Twins.

 

 

But this is a rehash of the other thread, I'm out.

[TheLeviathan]

I love Molly, big fan of the decision to go with him...but the irony of him being anti-DH only types is a bit hard to swallow.  I really hope that's not the case.

[HitInAPinch]

Terry Ryan is on record saying “We’ve gotten away from ‘go down, get a couple of at-bats and come back up,’ “ Ryan said on May 23. “All of a sudden, the guy is 0-for-12 and not helping the team. … He needs to look like he’s ready to help us.”

 

Currently, Arcia is 2 for 18 with 15k's.  Hopefully he get's pissed off like Milone and forces his way back to MLB.

[amjgt]

 

Terry Ryan is on record saying “We’ve gotten away from ‘go down, get a couple of at-bats and come back up,’ “ Ryan said on May 23. “All of a sudden, the guy is 0-for-12 and not helping the team. … He needs to look like he’s ready to help us.”

 

Currently, Arcia is 2 for 18 with 15k's.  Hopefully he get's pissed off like Milone and forces his way back to MLB.

 

That BABIP is unsustainable

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

It won't take much for Arcia to get recalled, the Twins need his bat in the lineup. He just happens to be playing terribly right now, and that is not helpful to the Twins or to himself.

[amjgt]

I know it's probably semantics, but is this a service time issue? I mean, he was technically allowed to be "on a rehab assignment" in AAA for another couple weeks (20 days max). No moves technically needed to be made, but the Twins made a point of activating him, then sending him down.

 

Does that buy the Twins a couple weeks of service time?

 

Does that buy the Twins two weeks of reduced paychecks to Oswaldo?

[jokin]

 

 

 

Currently, Arcia is 2 for 18 with 15k's.  Hopefully he get's pissed off like Milone and forces his way back to MLB.

 

You were looking at the major league line, in AAA, he actually has 7 Ks in 18 ABs (still bad enough).  He came back on fire after being sent down last season, I think there's a good chance he can do it again.

[spinowner]

 

I know it's probably semantics, but is this a service time issue? I mean, he was technically allowed to be "on a rehab assignment" in AAA for another couple weeks (20 days max). No moves technically needed to be made, but the Twins made a point of activating him, then sending him down.

 

Does that buy the Twins a couple weeks of service time?

 

Does that buy the Twins two weeks of reduced paychecks to Oswaldo?

I'm pretty sure this is not the case. He was still on the 25-man while on the DL (which includes rehab time) so it's only when he was actually optioned that the service time clock stopped ticking. I don't think you can option a player while he's disabled, and if he was healthy they could have optioned him as soon as the 15 days expired.

[HitInAPinch]

 

You were looking at the major league line, in AAA, he actually has 7 Ks in 18 ABs (still bad enough).  He came back on fire after being sent down last season, I think there's a good chance he can do it again.

Yeah, could have misread Baseball Reference, again

I think there's a very good chance he can do it again.  Summer heat cures a lot of ills.....

[HitInAPinch]

 

Yeah, I was really hoping Arcia would come up and take over DH.  They really need to address that.

Twins seem to have a fair amount of DH-types.  I really hope they can make Arcia a better OF.  Even a little better.

[amjgt]

 

I'm pretty sure this is not the case. He was still on the 25-man while on the DL (which includes rehab time) so it's only when he was actually optioned that the service time clock stopped ticking. I don't think you can option a player while he's disabled, and if he was healthy they could have optioned him as soon as the 15 days expired.

 

I think you just helped make my point....

 

He's getting paid a Major League Salary and Accruing service time while he's on the DL or on his rehab assignment from being on the DL. The Twins could have left that as the status quo for the next 2 weeks (rehabbing in Rochester), but instead decided to activate him after 4-5 days of rehab, then option him to Rochester. The only reason to do this is money (whatever 2-weeks of pay difference between his ML Salary and his AAA Salary) and/or service time. 

 

Seems like something that might annoy me if I was a baseball player. Seems like a rather trivial amount of money (probably around $35,000) or service time savings for potentially annoying a player.

[drjim]

 

I think you just helped make my point....

 

He's getting paid a Major League Salary and Accruing service time while he's on the DL or on his rehab assignment from being on the DL. The Twins could have left that as the status quo for the next 2 weeks (rehabbing in Rochester), but instead decided to activate him after 4-5 days of rehab, then option him to Rochester. The only reason to do this is money (whatever 2-weeks of pay difference between his ML Salary and his AAA Salary) and/or service time. 

 

Seems like something that might annoy me if I was a baseball player. Seems like a rather trivial amount of money (probably around $35,000) or service time savings for potentially annoying a player.

 

While money always play a part I don't think it was the primary reason. I think the Twins had every intention of him doing a typical rehab and then coming back up, but he clearly hasn't been doing much of anything in Rochester, so this was the way of showing the seriousness they are taking the situation and that he actually needs to do something to get back up. Burning his last option is a cost to the Twins as well.

[bird]

 

I love Molly, big fan of the decision to go with him...but the irony of him being anti-DH only types is a bit hard to swallow.  I really hope that's not the case.

 

 

I get this Levi, but I'm wondering if what we're seeing from Paulie is in reality an anti-head not incompletely in the game thing. I know we can point to examples of mental lapses from players who have NOT been demoted, but based on his comments about Vargas, and based on the number of mental lapses we've seen from Arcia, is it possible he's singled those guys out as guys who need to work on becoming more disciplined and professional in their approach?

[gocgo]

I'm hoping that Arcia starts mashing.  I do think the better solution to the DH is to platoon Arcia and Pinto.  That way both get a fair amount of reps, we add some pop at the plate, and Pinto is our backup catcher.  Give me (in 10 days) Arcia and Pinto up, Stauffer and Herrmann down.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I know it's probably semantics, but is this a service time issue? I mean, he was technically allowed to be "on a rehab assignment" in AAA for another couple weeks (20 days max). No moves technically needed to be made, but the Twins made a point of activating him, then sending him down.

 

Does that buy the Twins a couple weeks of service time?

Even if he's only on optional assignment for 10 days, this could prevent him from reaching "Super 2" arbitration status the coming winter.  So it's a fairly significant move, in that it gives us another "free" season to evaluate him (or offers such a season to a potential trade partner).

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I love Molly, big fan of the decision to go with him...but the irony of him being anti-DH only types is a bit hard to swallow.  I really hope that's not the case.

Molitor was a DH but not really a "DH type".  He didn't move to primary DH/1B until age 34.

[amjgt]

 

While money always play a part I don't think it was the primary reason. I think the Twins had every intention of him doing a typical rehab and then coming back up, but he clearly hasn't been doing much of anything in Rochester, so this was the way of showing the seriousness they are taking the situation and that he actually needs to do something to get back up. Burning his last option is a cost to the Twins as well.

 

I'm definitely not as knowledgeable on options as many people on here. If the Twins didn't use one of Arcia's options this year, could they use it next year (not that if he was with the major league team all this year that they would have any reason to send him down next year)? If so, when do "left over" options expire? I'm guessing we never used all of Joe Mauer's options, but I'm pretty sure we couldn't option him to AAA at this point.