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Rocco Baldelli's mindset on close games is annoying


Jack Griffin

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As I read Ted Schwerzler's article from earlier today, this quote from Twins manager Rocco Baldelli stuck with me:

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"...We want them to be available and ready to finish ballgames when the time comes"

What if the time never comes, because you throw in the proverbial towel if the team doesn't have the lead?

Last night the Twins got down early, and when the starter Cole Sands got pulled from the game the Twins went to a combination of Juan Minaya-Yennier Cano-Tyler Duffey-Trevor Megill to finish the game. Correct me if I'm wrong but that doesn't sound like a winning formula. That sounds to me like what a team in last place does when they are down big in the last few innings.

Lets just throw a position player out there to finish the game. Why not? its a "low leverage" situation.

Okay, maybe that's a bit of a reach, but I'm frustrated.

How I interpret this is no matter if the team is down 10 runs in the ninth, or 1 run in the fifth, both have the same leverage in the eyes of the team.

Now I understand wanting to have some decent relievers available for protecting the lead, that's fine, but being only down 1 run against a very good team and then putting in your 4 worst pitchers, is asking for disaster. Last nights game was just another example of extremely confusing bullpen management from Rocco. The game was winnable, the offense was scoring runs, but the Twins were not committed to stopping the other team from scoring.

This team has been playing well, they are leading their (Very weak) division, but this team does not "feel" like a first place team.

 

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I don't know. This feels like a have your cake and eat it too kind of thing. It boils down to this.

Would you rather have the best relievers available when the Twins are up 6-5 or down 5-6? If the Twins are losing in the 6th, even with their absolute best relievers stepping onto the mound, they're still significantly less likely to win the game. At the top of the 6th, the Yankees were a 65% favorite to win and the leverage index was pretty low. Is that when the very best relievers are the best choice? I feel like they'd likely be wasted in that scenario because the Twins were required to score more runs... and lo and behold, they didn't anyway.

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21 hours ago, bean5302 said:

I don't know. This feels like a have your cake and eat it too kind of thing. It boils down to this.

Would you rather have the best relievers available when the Twins are up 6-5 or down 5-6? If the Twins are losing in the 6th, even with their absolute best relievers stepping onto the mound, they're still significantly less likely to win the game. At the top of the 6th, the Yankees were a 65% favorite to win and the leverage index was pretty low. Is that when the very best relievers are the best choice? I feel like they'd likely be wasted in that scenario because the Twins were required to score more runs... and lo and behold, they didn't anyway.

Furthermore, in most instances the Twins have shown that they are far more likely to score zero runs in these situations. 

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Definitely have to re-tool this bullpen--or should we call it the shaky leg calf pen---before the trade deadline.  its really disheartening to a team to hit 5 homers in a game and still lose.

Some of these guys are just not reliable enough to bring to the mound.  They are reliable to produce runs for the other team, but not to prevent them on the Twins behalf.  We need to cut bait on our worst performers (hello Duffy and Pagan), but can't do so without replacements.  That may be another team's 4th or 5th starter that is struggling through 2nd and 3rd times trough the lineup but looks great first inning. It will be necessary to give some things up to get what we need, but that is the shape of baseball right now.  rosters change at or before the trade deadline.  

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The Twins are in a strange world regarding pitching. Their 40-man currently has Strotman, Balazovic, Henriquez, Enlow - all of whom look doubtful of pitching for the Twins in any capacity in 2022. Will the Twins still roster them in 2023? A fifth, Sands, had been anything but brilliant. All five of these guys, because of their current work, are probably unanted by any other team, unless a waiver pickup happens.

The Twins also have three players who won't be back in 2023 and are vastly underpforming: Thielbar, Duffey, Bundy. None, again, would be a tradable item unless they really really really improve. Dead weight right now.

Garlick and Coulombe are also on the 40-man in IL-limbo. Both are happy collecting major league salaries not to play. I don't really see a pa

lace for either of them in the Twins future.

Throw in Dobnak, who is at least on the 60-day IL, but when he is ready to come back, designate him off the roster. No team will claim his longer-term contract.

Plus the Twins have Godoy and Contreras, neither really should ever be called up before anyone else (I would even accept a Cave callup over Contreras at this point). 

Wow, that's 10 players who we wouldn't miss if the plane lands before the next homestand.

The Twins missed an opportunity to wheel and deal Balazovic, Enlow and Sands. Basically a couple were added for fear of a Rule 5 loss. In hindsight, would Sands have lasted the required days on an MLB roster?

So Baldelli deals the deck dealt him. Is a game close at what point? Because, like Twins own scoring, runs CAN happen in bunches and with multiple arms throwing, you jsut never know. What frustrates me most about the Twins is that there are few role players...everyone is expected to come and play somewhere sometime. And the bullpen is on a rotation, rather than a "need."

 

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17 hours ago, Rosterman said:

The Twins are in a strange world regarding pitching. Their 40-man currently has Strotman, Balazovic, Henriquez, Enlow - all of whom look doubtful of pitching for the Twins in any capacity in 2022. Will the Twins still roster them in 2023? A fifth, Sands, had been anything but brilliant. All five of these guys, because of their current work, are probably unanted by any other team, unless a waiver pickup happens.

The Twins also have three players who won't be back in 2023 and are vastly underpforming: Thielbar, Duffey, Bundy. None, again, would be a tradable item unless they really really really improve. Dead weight right now.

Garlick and Coulombe are also on the 40-man in IL-limbo. Both are happy collecting major league salaries not to play. I don't really see a palce for either of them in the Twins future.

Throw in Dobnak, who is at least on the 60-day IL, but when he is ready to come back, designate him off the roster. No team will claim his longer-term contract.

Plus the Twins have Godoy and Contreras, neither really should ever be called up before anyone else (I would even accept a Cave callup over Contreras at this point). 

Wow, that's 10 players who we wouldn't miss if the plane lands before the next homestand.

The Twins missed an opportunity to wheel and deal Balazovic, Enlow and Sands. Basically a couple were added for fear of a Rule 5 loss. In hindsight, would Sands have lasted the required days on an MLB roster?

And how does any of the above relate to Baldelli's mindset late in games?  Or did you forget which thread you were reading?  Your post should probably be in the trades and rule 5 thread.

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On 6/10/2022 at 3:17 PM, Rosterman said:

Garlick and Coulombe are also on the 40-man in IL-limbo. Both are happy collecting major league salaries not to play. I don't really see a palce for either of them in the Twins future.

 

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It doesn’t seem like Baldelli has a boatload of options.  He has a boatload of refugees. Most of the pitchers mentioned in this article will be “shipped off” next year.  Obviously the rotation has been thin and other than a couple of relievers who have been consistently good, this team is very week with regards to pitching.

 

Personally,, I think Baldelli has done very good with what he has to work with.  I don’t really want to see Duffey Minaya, Sands, or Cano anymore, but it is what he has to work with.   To put low leverage pitchers in high leverage situations would have me more concerned than what he mentions in the article.  Preserving leads, right now, should be a priority.  Putting higher leverage type arms out when we don’t have a lead simply leads to unavailable quality when  needed the most.  Until Rocco actually has some more chicken salad to spread on the sandwich, it’s hard to complain about the …….

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I don't necessarily disagree, although I think there's some pretty sound logic to Rocco's thinking. Regardless, this is Major League Baseball. If a guy is asked to pitch, it's his job and his job only to get outs. Talent isn't an excuse when you're on the 26 man roster. You're there to get the job done.

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