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ahh yes you are correct, he signed in 2013.
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This idea just seems odd. We are stuck on payroll, so we are going to take on payroll from a team that is looking to dump payroll as well?
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International signings are about as big of crap shoot you can get. You look at a 16 year old and bet they will become something. Sometimes you hit, more often you miss. What is crazy is that Sano, Poloco, and Kepler all were the same signing year. Many times the top rank international prospect rarely is the best that comes out. Sure we wished we would hit more, but many teams are in same boat.
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This may be true, but in reality only about 3 to 4 draft classes should have players making the MLB beyond rookie year. College guys generally take 3 years to make debut, unless high pick stud. Most guys take at least 2 years to get to be an All Star, again unless high pick stud. So really only the drafts of 2017 through 2020 should be looked at for this, and that is only if college guys were taken. The high school kids, like Lewis take 4 to 6 years out of high school to make debut normally. Lewis, assuming can stay healthy, will likely make an all star team one day, hopefully this year. Baily Ober very well could make an All Star team this year too if he avoids early blow up games. Jeffers was close to All Star last year when he started season but is too streaky. There will be some guys in coming years. All that being said, All Star selections is a terrible way to measure how good a player was. With fact 1 has to come from each team, and fan votes decide starters historically, things got was skewed. Remember the year that Royals had ton of starters? For Twins, Hrbek made 1 all-star team in 82. In 84 he was number 2 in MVP voting did not make all star team. Ron Coomer made an All Star game for Twins. Also, Luis Arraez was not drafted by Falvy, but he was international signing and he was All Star for Twins. That should count for something too.
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Outside of the very large markets most teams are in a wait and see situation with what is going to happy in revenue over next few years. Even if they did, or will not lose, their own media contracts, MLB shares around 50% of media with each other. Therefore, with many teams losing out on their media contracts and going to much lower profit of working with MLB there is less money to go around to all teams. The players are not going to agree to lower contracts based on that. The AL central has 1 large market team that is fully rebuilding and is the 2nd team out of Chicago. Detroit is a large market but they have not done well signing guys to long term deals lately. They tend to be on a cycle of making big moves and it seems like they should be on the making a move. KC and Cleveland are as small if not smaller than Twins market is. KC made their moves last year as they have a lot of long term money tied up. Cleveland is always looking to stay lower payroll and trade away guys nearing FA for younger guys all the time. This is always the risk when you pick guys to be your guys, Buck, CC, and Lopez, because when you sign long term deals you are tied to that guy for years, better or worse. You will not have much chance making more big splashes until their money is off the books.
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I am one that does not overvalue pen guys. I love Duran but one he is most likely going to face some injury sooner than later. He lost velo and despite still being crazy fast he was getting beat last year much more than year prior. His FIP was actually better this past year than prior year. His rookie year is still his best year. It is possible that as players are seeing him he is getting figured out more. I would not oppose trading him if the team feels like he will continue to lose value. However, it is a huge risk because our pen is thin already. Trading him will make it even thinner.
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I am all for platooning as long as the team is will to not follow it like a book. Specifically, when an opener starts the game, and then before a guy even gets 1 at bat you pinch hit because the same sided pitcher comes in next. The issue is then you burn that move for later on, but even more if it is say a lefty early in game, then you cannot use them later in game when you have the platoon advantage. There are times last year where sometimes Rocco let a lefty hit early in game against a lefty, but not often. I get if you are in say the 5th and a big at bat comes up, you want the best chance of getting runs in, however, if the at bat is not big why do it just to try to get a single hit with 2 outs in 5th?
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He had an okay career but was ready for a big drop in production due to age and never being dominate, outside his late run in 23. There is a reason not much interest in him for his asking price and he fired his agent because he most likely turned down better deal in hopes of even better but then held out for his pillow deal that looks like a bad deal for AZ. Maybe full spring will help him bounce back. My guess AZ keeps him and does not send him away for either paying his deal, or not paying his deal but send prospects back too. Why pay him to play for someone else when you need as many possible starters you can get each year?
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Is Mickey Gasper In Line for an Opening Day Roster Spot?
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
My guess the move goes down as a no one really remembers that it happened. I doubt either player makes a huge impact for their teams. Gasper did have a good AAA run last year with Boston, but his history is not there. I think it is depth move and maybe the FO thinks they could unlock something in him for a year or two worth of value. -
What's Left at First Base in Free Agency?
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Personally the only one I would take a flier on is Rizzo. The rest I would pass on and do internal fill. Rizzo is coming off a couple of down years, and could be cooked so I would not invest a lot in him. However, he was always a good on base guy and we could use that type of veteran leader type guy.- 81 replies
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Mat Ishbia says all the right things for fans and has backed it up some. However, there is a huge difference between NBA and MLB when it comes to revenue. In NBA they split the revenue either 50/50 or very close. Meaning when the game grows both sides see money and they share it. In MLB there is no sharing, both sides fight for the biggest piece of pie they can get. Neither care about fans or growing the sport, they care about taking what they can and see the fans as way to line their pockets. Players have gone to the point to argue that money not made on baseball, but made from owning things near the stadiums that would not make as much money if there was not games should go to the players too. They have at least limited it to businesses the owners own and not knocking on doors of other business demanding fees for playing games. NBA learned that when you get fans engaged and following the sport it helps everyone in the sport. MLB has long fought between the players and owners to get as much as they could, at the fans expense for years.
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3 Twins In "No Man's Land" Headed Into 2025
Trov replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Alcala is not a super high leverage type guy right now, but he has possibilities. He pitched in 54 games. He gave up runs in 15 of them, for a 75% of his outings he gave up no runs. 13 of his 54 games was for more than 1 inning. 11 where for less than 1 inning. Of those 11 only 3 were games where he gave up a run. Without doing the full deep dive, he did allow 7 of the 25 inherited runners score. He has shown he can be a reliable okay relief guy but you are not going to give him the ball in high leverage stuff often.- 37 replies
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Bring him on a minor league deal and let him prove himself that is all I would offer. Normally age 27 is one of best years for a player, now when they start to go down. He never broke out like Sox had hoped, and most likely injuries played a large roll in that. However, I am not giving even a 40 man roster spot on a guy that may bounce back to be slightly above average for a career.
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This is referring to the Twins themselves, not against other players in the league. Base running is not inherently about speed. I have point to Paul Molitor as one of the best base runners of all time, not because of his speed but because he knew how to steal, when to steal, and how to get those extra bases. Sure, he was not the slowest in his career, but he stoles bases at a 79% clip. He stole 504 in his career. Ricky Henderson stole at 81% clip. Many more than Molitor, but percent nearly the same. Lou Brock, the second in all time number behind Henderson had only a 75% success rate. Elly De La Cruz, known to be the fastest runner in baseball right now, or top couple. Is at 80% clip. The point is, simply being fast does not always make you a good base stealer. The Twins, under current management, has decided going station to station and not risking out on bases is way they want to go.
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I could see France maybe, but not Laureano on a MLB deal. Laureano could come in on minor league deal with invite, but my guess he will hold out for full MLB deal. France I think only for a very low price and if the team just has no faith in anyone else at 1B. He had 2 good seasons at age 26 and 27. Outside those 2 years he has been average to below average. Personally, I would pass on both and roll with your in house options.
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Two Years In: Do the Twins Regret Signing Carlos Correa?
Trov replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The heel issues are not good, but he has been for most part what they were expecting. If you get what you thought you were going to get why would you regret it? The biggest issue is the loss of TV money and teams cutting costs, but money still going up. We still do not have a clear replacement at SS either. -
The only game that did not work out in our favor was the first game talked about. I also doubt the golden bat would have been used in 2nd inning. This still shows how dumb this rule is and hopefully never makes it any further than the idea room.
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He may be expecting at least 6M but that does not mean a team will offer that. Yes, he will go to any team as a 6 mil 1 year as a starting point on his side, but that does not mean teams will agree. Personally, he is coming off a recent career year, after years of ehh replacement level play he finally put up a 2.2 bWAR. His offense career wise has been average, until last season. I would never pay a 33 year old guy who had the best year of his career in a ball park that is hitter friendly. Yes, his road numbers were still very good, but I would not expect him to repeat what he did last year. I think he may be hard pressed to find too many teams, based on payrolls getting cut to pay him 6 mil next year.
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My answer is similar to any trade ask, if the price is right make the deal. What the price is I do not know. I personally would not shop either but if right deal comes along I would always listen. Despite having several guys looking ready to jump in, we do not know how they will truly do. Additionally, we do not know how many pitchers will be needed any given year. Keeping depth is always important. However, it is important to try to maximize value of players. Trading them at their peak knowing you will either not sign long term or they will lose value as a player you should trade them to recoup that value if you can replace them in the line up. Cleveland showed that for years. They would trade away top pitchers that many wondered why, only to have that pitcher drop off in production, get injured, or off the field stuff came up. They continued to compete for division over years despite their continued trade of top pitchers, mainly because they had guys in the wings to fill in.
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It is not true that having Prielipp pitch out of pen one year will mean one more year removed from a starter. There was several relievers, for many years, turned starters this past year. The main reason guys are in pen is not because of lack of being "stretched out" but lack of a pitch mix that plays beyond a single run through line up. I would agree there is no reason to make Prielipp a pen guy right now though and no reason to give him a spot in the pen anytime soon as he has done nothing in minors to warrant that.
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I think the big question would be what prospects guys like this will cost, and will they be better than who you need to give up. Most likely the teams only make the moves to fill other holes, or to stockpile the farm system even more. They would be less likely to want guys near MLB ready, else you are trading one MLB ready for another, again unless different positions to fill holes. If the team think they will make the team better, go for it. Else, stick with who ya got. It generally is that simple.
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When a guy like Keirsey is screaming call him up/protect him, and he is not, you need to wonder why. Most would think putting up the numbers he did the Twins would have made the move to call him up. They fought against until they really could not due to injuries to many in front. Either the FO just has something against him and want to suppress his career, or there is a lot more issues with him we lay people do not know. I mean, he passed through rule 5. That is more common for position players, but good defending CF that shown they can hit even okay will always get a shot. Look at Kevin Pillar a top defender but not good hitter his whole career. I think Keirsey is more of a AAAA type guy. He does not have much power, and is only average defender. He showed an ability to get on base, but he is always old for his comp too. Do I think he should get a shot overall, sure because we got no one else in line. If someone else comes along will I defer to the FO yes.
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Yes, the change in play is not from Manfred but from mainly front offices. We used to care about batting average, now it is looked down on as a bad stat to evaluate a player. Money Ball brought in the OBP as a number people cared about. Then it evolved to OPS. Players with high OPS were getting paid more. So the players said well if teams do not care that I can hit a singles for high average but they would rather I get some more extra base hits, I need to change to get more extra base hits. As to the ticket price point, I have long said the players get paid what the fans dictate. If fans stop watching baseball the prices will have to go down and players will have to get paid less. Owners will not pay players more than what they are bringing in, for the most part. If fans stopped attending, watching on TV and stopped buying gear, the league would fold in 2 years because owners would stop giving the money.

