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The manager burns them out in college. That is what happens. He averaged 27 batters a game. With the fact that he struck out or walked or struck out 35% of them an average of say 5 pitches is pretty reasonable. That works out to 135 average pitches per start. There is a reason most teams are trying to keep pitchers under 100, and not just because 3rd trip through order. Rice clearly does not believe pitch counts will affect the arms, or they do not care.
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There is no reason to send down a productive pitcher simply because you may have a little better guy. If Festa came in and dominated his starts to force a move, then we would talk about Paddock to pen versus SWR to minors. If SWR starts to falter, then it is worth talking about Festa taking over for him. I think the options point is huge though. Why use an option when he is pitching just fine at the MLB level? Use it if he falters and others clearly leap frog him, but not just to have someone who, right now, will be close to him. Additionally, something like that will sour any relationship they have with him. Meaning chance of getting him to take a deal to help the team will go out the window. It also sours how players feel about the team around the league. If you get known to be bad manager of people it hurts your ability to bring people over as FA.
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The solutions, to this possible problem, proposed have a lot of holes that could hurt players more. For example, if you have a minimum amount of time a player needs to be on roster before DFA, this would lead teams to placing players on IL more frequent, then DFA when they get off. If you limit the amount of claims a team can make that will limit the MLB chances a player will get, because a team will be less likely to make a claim. Sometimes those guys that get claimed via the waiver wire work out well, look at Rooker, if a team had to risk not being able to make claims later on they may pass. The league did look at the pitching shuttle guys issue a few different ways, expanding the roster, and pitcher on IL being on for 15 days versus 10 for position players. Also, if you limit the number of options per year that does that. However, teams will continue to manipulate the rules to get pitchers with fresh arms rotated through. You need to balance the players interest of getting chance to find a team that wants them, but the teams ability to get rid of players they feel are not going to help them. This happens to mostly fringe pen pitchers. Sometimes though they find a team to stick with. If the players do not like it they can choose to not play the game too. They can go get a different job and not be forced to move around. They could just say I am done. If Blewett wants to not be bounced around he can retire.
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Exactly, this generally works itself out because they generally have someone else that goes on IL. If for some reason, everyone is healthy, it will depend on how they are performing will depend on who gets sent down. Right now, Lee is not making it hard to stay on the team when Lewis comes back. Julien is not making at bats come his way all the time either. France has been decent but if he regresses that will easy open up First for someone. Wallner has been good before his injury. Larnach has not bee good, but picked it up the last few games, but he does not have long history of needing to get a long leash as either fielder or DH. I do find it interesting that since moving off DH to the filed is when his bat has increased. This is common for many players to have a dip in offense as a DH. Not sure how Lewis would do as DH.
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Looks like he is a swing and a miss low risk move. Crazy how a guy who was a highly rated prospect just falls off a cliff on offense. Really the writing was on the wall with him. Yeah he could hit at A and high A overall, and only had K rates between 25% to 29%. It is a SSS this year but over 50% K rate is terrible. Once he went up to AA his power was gone for most part, and could not get hits. He is not known as a top defender. Without doing any actual scouting on him, I would guess he was good at hitting bad fastballs, but now that he is at higher level you have better fastballs and even better off speed and he has no clue how to handle a good breaking ball.
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First, it is still very early, but the early returns on Ty France is encouraging. He was scooped up for 1 mil. Santana, was let go and signed for 12 mil, twice what he got last year. Due to budget issues that required a shift. France was the guy. Many, including myself, scoffed at the signing. He was coming off 2 terrible years and not a good defender. Now, he is not lighting the world on fire by any stretch, but he is playing at decent level. Santana is putting up similar numbers. I hope France can stay at or exceed his current level, but for the 1 mil dumpster dive, the early returns are good.
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I think part of what the comments have address is how the team has changed to a slower three true outcome type team. I personally find that style of play boring. When I feel the was most exciting to watch was during the early 2000's run, I was too young for the WS years to really pay attention. I loved watching the highlight defense that Hunter and others would put up. We were on web gems on a daily. Then we would score runs by hitting the ball in play for hits and not just hoping for HR out of the whole line up. I get what is determined as winning baseball has changed, and the players and manager job is to win games, not create an entertaining product for fans, but the purpose of the game is to entertain us. Winning will get more eyes on the team, but winning ugly still is ugly baseball. Watching the team throw the ball around for errors, and having terrible weak at bats over and over just gets old.
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Is Carlos Correa’s Swing Broken?
Trov replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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Twins Injuries Reveal Twin Truths About Twins Depth
Trov replied to John Bonnes's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
No team will have 3 deep at SS. Few teams will go that deep at 3b as well. OF are much easier to fill, outside CF. If CC is down long term we will need to get someone up that can fill in at 3b minimum. If not, Lee and Castro going to have to stick there for awhile. Lewis, Miranda and Martin all on IL hurt the depth a ton.- 47 replies
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The team is ranked, by ESPN, as one of the most unwatchable teams. Right now I fully agree. I love baseball and used to watch just about every game I could. This year though, with real life stuff going on, to go with the terrible product they are putting on the field is making them not really watchable. I got free tickets, great seats in a week, but outside of that I have little plan to go to any games and will not go out of my way to watch them. Their offense is terrible. Their defense is terrible. Their pitching is good overall, but when you cannot score any runs, like last September, it will not carry the day. Watching guys just make dumb mistakes over and over the few times I do watch just makes me not want to watch. Even when we lose if the game is entertaining I am okay, but watching the team get no hits with RISP and really no hits at all, mostly striking out. Sadly, there is no top guys knocking on the door right now to look forward too. Our stars are not doing anything either. I am hoping they can turn it around but dang this is getting crazy.
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Rocco Baldelli and the Case of the Missing Lever
Trov replied to John Bonnes's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Pretty sure Martin pulled a hamstring the other day and expected to miss several weeks.- 59 replies
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As the post pointed out, it is still very early in season. We have plenty of time to turn things around. The teams that fired those managers clearly were bad teams. This team has the talent, but lets not forget there was an illness floating around the clubhouse. The fact that just about every hitter has done terrible to me gives some hope because not everyone will hit like that all year.
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Keaschall very well may jump E-Rod. I think on offense he already has. The fact Keaschall defense home is most likely 2nd or 1st limits his prospect status, in my opinion. Additionally, being more ready to hit at majors does not make you a better prospect just makes you more ready. If E-Rod can adjust to hitting the lefties and not striking out as much at AAA then he will keep that spot, and will get a call later this year. If though he continues to struggle against lefties and strike out at the rate he is, he will start to fall down the list and fall out of favor. He will get a chance at some point either way, but his leash will much shorter. Many highlighted the risk of this happening as E-Rod moved up the levels facing better pitching. Hopefully, now he knows adjustments he needs to make and will make them. Hopefully Keachall keeps raking and forces his way up to majors.
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I get that bWAR may be a little defense minded, but I was more getting at his lack of consistent offense as an issue for him long term too. The price 37 a year if it was for say 7 years would be great deal. However, he has all the marks of falling off the cliff when he is in his early to mid 30's. I am saying the length is a huge risk due to his up and down hitting. He very well may be a great signing, but unlike others that sign their mega deals, he has not had the long term consistent years, or also being an elite defender to go with being elite hitter.
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Both are the perfect example of not getting too hyped over a rookie. Both had huge rookie years and were essentially given jobs out of a spring the next year. Both fell flat on face in second year. Miranda had a short bounce back in his third year where he helped carry the offense for a month plus last year, but after the break he fell flat on face again. Eddy is getting a shot again and so far doing enough to warrant more time. It will be most interesting when Lewis comes back, as long as Lee is doing well what happens with Julien.
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Will the Twins ever extend Raya pitch count? I get there may have been a reason in this game, but if you cannot pitch even 5 innings on average in a minor league game, how could you expect he ever do that in major league game? I think it is time to just say he is a pen guy and do that, or let him loose and actually try to pitch. The whole plan of trying to keep him healthy by pitching 50 pitches and 2 innings will not help us long term.
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10 for 28 with RISP is actually pretty good. That is like .357. You cannot be upset if a team is hitting .357 with RISP.
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Twins saying Lopez has hamstring injury and will go on IL. They expect he will only be on for the 15 days. We will be dipping into the AAA pitchers already. My buess Zebby gets the call. They could go Festa though too. I would not be surprised if either do well that when Lopez gets back Paddock may become a pen guy if he continues to struggle going deep into starts.
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The only cure for poor attendance is winning, but you also need entertaining baseball. The game is about entertainment. Sadly, this team has lacked that in recent years. Even when they were on winning streaks, I have not felt all that entertained by the team. I personally think it is the lack of balls in play in the past. I know this year they are trying to get more balls in play, but watching your offense just sputter every game striking out a dozen times with no scoring threats just gets boring to watch. Also, our defense is not know for making highlight type plays which is also entertaining. In terms of what it means to the sale, personally I do not care. I am not trying to buy or sell the team. Teams are now mostly investment tools for rich people and not about being fans and winning. Unless we get a rich fan of the game the new owner will not be much different from the current ones.
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Minor League Report (4/9): Will Anyone Score on Andrew Morris?
Trov replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
What is the story on Jenkins? Is it a long term issue or just a few weeks? This is sadly becoming a trend for the superstar prospect.- 31 replies
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Jeffers is using one, has been all year. The Yankees do not have some exclusive right to the bats or anything, they just got most of their players to use it. There is nothing wrong with using it. If it was say the A's or some other small market team no one would care and say things like good for them way to think outside the box. But because it is the Yankees people are mad. I hate the Yankees about as much as anyone, but I got no issue with the bats as they are legal. Good for them in thinking outside the box to get an edge. I remember when the axe handle bat came out it got some press, but because the HR numbers with torpedo bat it went crazy. You still need to put the barrel on the ball.
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I just saw this and my thought was dang that is crazy. I figured he would get a decent deal, but that is crazy long and high pay. I read it does not include opt out either. First, Vlad Jr. has had stretches of one of the best hitters in the game, but he plays no defense well, even has negative value at first. He has never had a bWAR over 7, with 6.5 being his highest. He will be entering what should be his prime years, and it is possible he could still be good hitter late into 30's but I have a feeling the Jays will be regretting this deal for a long time. What is worse, is players will be looking at his deal as the new market for players and make it even harder for mid to small market teams retaining their FA long term. Hopefully players will just see as a one off situation.
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Can someone say small sample size. Wow 5 games into a season and you already say they need to change how they are doing things. Sure they were 4 very bad offensive games, and as point out just 1 good offensive inning, but lets give them some time before we declare their offense fully busted.
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So far our stacked rotation is living up to their potential. Only 1 trip through so far, but all our starters have yet to give a up run.
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This is how the CBA decided to do it. If the players wanted it different they could have fought for it. I doubt anyone feels bad for Dobnak getting 4 million to pitch in AAA again. He does not even have to get a new place to live, one benefit of having AAA in St. Paul. He knows how it will go. They will continue to pick up his contract and taxi him between AAA and MLB as arms are needed. If he wanted to be stable he could give up his 4 mil. I doubt he will. For guys in his position that is not making 4 mil they normally get picked up all the time. Pitchers get shifted around the league like passing cards around. Maybe the CBA will get changed, but until then it is the life of a fringe MLB pitcher. They changed the rules to prevent IL manipulation that a pitcher has to be on it for 15 days, position players still only 10. Back when it was 10 so many pitchers had IL stints to prevent being sent down, because you needed to wait so many days to shuttle between minors and majors after you sent them down, but if there was an "injury" a player would not need to stay down in minors for so long. For the players making league min, they may choose to opt out and try to find a team that will keep them at MLB level. If Dobnak wanted to do that, he could. He won't, because he would need to move, give up 4 mil, and most likely deal with the same issue at new team. I do not feel bad for a guy getting paid 4 mil to play at AAA. If he was upset choose to walk.

