Twins' Best Chance for an Ace Could Be in Milwaukee

Interesting idea. I would do package 2 in a heartbeat. 

Absolutely, he's one of my choices. If MIL is indeed rebuilding it'd take prospects, I'd try to swing a deal different than what you suggested that'd satisfy MIL while not hurt so much. MIA might be a easier partner because they probably be looking at MLB Players.

Ryan, Gray and hopefully Mahle if his shoulder checks out (I'm banking on it) are the only ones that'll give us any significant innings. With fans expectations & absence of long relief mentality, we could be really hurting (both physically & situationally). Unfortunately we need a pitcher like Woodruff.

Well with any trade it takes two to tango so to speak.  I don't see much value in this for the Brewers.  Interesting, well thought out, article.  I'm guessing nothing happens here.  

No No No No.   the Twins are stocked with quantity in Starting Pitching.    Joe Ryan has shown some flashes of potential in being more than a  #3 or #4 level of a starter.   The Twins clearly have confidence in him, evidenced by naming Joe as the opening day starter.   I’m hoping for a boring off-season for the Twins.  
The 2022 season was marred by injuries.  So, get a stop-gap shortstop until one of. the younger players (Lewis, Martin ….) is worthy of taking over.  Add some depth at catcher.   Then take advantage of any last-minute opportunities that are available (like Carlos Correa last year).  .  

1 minute ago, strumdatjag said:

No No No No.   the Twins are stocked with quantity in Starting Pitching.    Joe Ryan has shown some flashes of potential in being more than a  #3 or #4 level of a starter.   The Twins clearly have confidence in him, evidenced by naming Joe as the opening day starter.   I’m hoping for a boring off-season for the Twins.  
The 2022 season was marred by injuries.  So, get a stop-gap shortstop until one of. the younger players (Lewis, Martin ….) is worthy of taking over.  Add some depth at catcher.   Then take advantage of any last-minute opportunities that are available (like Carlos Correa last year).  .  

Sadly I think you just accurately projected what our FO will do this off season. I would like to add a top level starter as quantity doesn’t mean quality. I guess I am with RB - why would Milwaukee want to get rid of him?

47 minutes ago, Linus said:

Interesting idea. I would do package 2 in a heartbeat. 

I'd only want to do package 2, but I don't think #2 would be enough for the Brewers if Woodruff was available.  Woodruff would be great but I think Royce and Lee need to stay in the Twins system.  

The Brewers are going to be trading one of their two top starters because they are a small market team who had a disappointing year.  Aren't the Twins also a small market (maybe mid) team who disappointed last year?  

My response to all three deals for a pitcher who will be gone after two seasons is NO, NO and NO.  Not opposed to trading with the Brew Crew, but you included three of the four kids (Prielipp would be the fourth) that would be on my no trade list.

Mahle was supposed to be the Woodruff of ‘23, right?

So do we now need Woodruff too because we have have no confidence that Mahle is going to be even close to what we thought we paid for? Or do we need to trade away more young talent because we are just one strong starter to complement Mahle away from competing for a pennant in ‘23?

So let’s just keep gutting the future to cover up the FO’s pitcher developmental weaknesses and trading mistakes. The Brewers can have Mahle, Paddock, and Pagan back instead - two front line starters and a high leverage reliever should get it done, no?

Sorry, it’s Friday morning and I should be in a better mood. But the Brewers are not taking option #2 and that was the only option listed even remotely worth considering from our perspective.

No to any package that includes Lee or Lewis. Otherwise I’m open to it. 

In the past year the twins traded for two starting pitchers ...

You failed to mention the injured  paddack  ...

We depleted the prospect list at deadline  so I say  no to a trade and go after the rodon  ,  injury prone but I'd take a risk on him  and a lefthander in the rotation would complement  the rotation  ,,, outbid in free agency  and not lose any prospects in trades  unless it's from a surplus of positions  , but teams want pitchers and the twins don't have surplus in pitching so I don't see a trade option ....

6 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

I'm wondering why Milwaukee would trade Woodruff? 

Is the new guy Brad Arnold about to tear it down? 

It's money. A quick glance at online chatter makes it sound like Woodruff is likely to be dealt this offseason.

Could be nothing, but it's worth having some as we dream on it.

I’d take do any three of those deals without blinking.

I think people overvalue Twins prospects way too much.

Wouldn’t do a deal that includes Lewis?  The guy hasn’t played in 3 years.  He’s a tweener defensively who isn’t a lock to stick at shortstop long-term.  He has significant offensive question marks.

Also, what’s his ceiling at this point?  I’d you’re not protected to be lights out on either side of ball, can you realistically be projected as a star player?

If the Brewers want a package containing Lewis for a durable, relatively young, front line starter - done.

It's for two seasons, not one. 

Hence a semi-rich package of prospects.

Being that the Brewers are constantly churning, they usually trade for major league ready guys. Or at least Sterns did. It depends on their approach.

If they stick with churn, they might want a bat and Larnach could be a good fit for the COF/DH rotation there.

And they could use more SP depth, so maybe Varland and Winder as well, becoming the 5th and 6th starters.

The simulator considers that offer a generous overpay by the Twins, but that depends on whether the Crew wants to continue the churn.

45 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

I haven't heard that chatter. If it is sourced out of the Brewers front office that would be sad news for Brewer Fans. 

They have that rotation that everybody else is trying to get. 

I completely agree. 

It's more speculation from sources inside the industry that I read or heard, not the front office themselves. The way I have heard about and read that the Royals may non-tender Mondesi if they cannot trade him, or that the Twins may non-tender Urshela if they cannot trade him. 

If the Brewers can add quality depth though, I could see them pulling the trigger with three other 1/2 level SPs in their rotation outside of Woodruff. 

Even if a Woodruff-type pitcher is added I don't know that theh lineup will be good enough to win enough to make the trade worth it?

I am bemused by the idea that our “cheap” ownership just needs to pay the market rate to get Rodon.  In all likelihood there are at least 7 teams willing to pay 5/125 or whatever the “market” value is.  Given the number of choices this year for Rodon why exactly does he choose the Twins?  We have been sub .500 the past 2 seasons and MN does not exactly offer a balmy climate nor is tax friendly to top earners .  The top free agent pitchers always have a number of choices for top dollar.  

I would MUCH rather trade for a proven workhorse and a guy who would be our clear #1 than signing Rodon.  I still like Senga as a sneaky good value.  But, you can just positively NEVER have too much pitching.  I wouldn't include Lee or Lewis or Miranda in any deal, and I really doubt the Brewers would want Lewis with his sketchy injury history.  The Twins have plenty of talent in the pipeline.  They are far from this empty cupboard some are claiming.  

I would do a deal something like Ober, 19.5 BTV, Winder 8.3 and Celistino 11.2.  Woodruff's value is 37.8. This deal is a 39.0 value. coming back from the Twins.  The Brew Crew gets two young, controllable pitchers and a RH CF'er.  If they could buy into a Polanco move to 1B or 3B you could mix and match from that.  It's hard to predict what the Brewers will do, but I'd be on the phone finding out in a heartbeat.  The possibility of adding Woodruff to the top of our rotation?  I say YES !  YES !! YES !!  You can NEVER have too much pitching.  Because as long as you have pitching, you're always in the game.