Offseason Blueprint: Bargain Bin Shopping (Part 2)

Addison Reed was an interesting signing last year. The Twins got a deal on Fernando Rodney, and Reed seemed to be a set-up man addition who could step into the closer role if needed. Zach Duke was a fine single-season signing. The Twins managed to flip two of the guys, and no doubt would've flipped Reed if he wasn't coming off injury. Reed is an option as closer out-of-the-gate for 2019. I wish the Twins ahd given more closing innings to Trevor May, but sometime next season the Twins have to make that decision on Trevor and sign him for longterm.

The rotation question: Do you sign Kyle Gibson for 3 years and an option. As with Jake Odorizzi (due $9 million) is either an alternative for long lasting starts, or do you cut one loose (Odorizzi) and let the other play out with hopes of a mid-season trade. I imagine it all comes down to money. Pineda is interesting. It would've been wonderful to see him egt in a few major league games last September. At best, he produces well enough to flip. At worse, the Twins discover they have a real gem and strike a longterm deal. 

This will be an interesting off-season, to see the stock the front office is putting in players already on the roster. If they don't do anything with the vets, then we see them rebooting the team in their own image. Of course, Buxton and Sano threw a wrench into the system, still longerm unknowns.

And the number of arms in the wings is pure staggering. Especially hen you consider that you can readily go out and but arms for $10 million dollars a season. Mejia, Slegers, Goncalves Littell, Stewart, Romero...in the wings Thorpe, Graterol and others. Whew. Right there are eight arms that could see play in 2019 and none of them are guaranteed a multiple start roster spot ion the majors. Go figure.

Herrera is the only name on this list I would want.  Kelly is possible, but to this date at age 31 has not put it together and might want more money than the profile would warrant.  The Japanese starter will have too many suiters and will command more money than he is probably worth, if you could get him at a reasonable rate go for it.

Looking more for the trade market for starters.  Would call Arizona and see what they want for Greinke, if we were even in the ballpark.  If Arizona is looking for full talent and taking all the contract, I would pass, but contract is doable if Twins only send marginal prospects back, or slightly better prospects if Arizona keep about $10 million a year for the contract. 

I don't see the appeal in Herrera, besides that he was a closer at one time. He hasn't been very good the last 2 years, including a year and half in the Central.

Among starters only Yusei Kikuchi intrigues me.  I just don't see the rest having the upside that the Twins should be looking for.  I'd take any of the relievers listed.

I saw a story somewhere that Kelly changed his philosophy for the playoffs, stopped throwing his slider, or threw more sliders or something.  Anyway, if you look at his playoff stats, that is the kind of guy you want in your bullpen.  But is it sustainable over 60 games?  With the velocity he has, I would think so.  He may have unlocked a key to getting more strikeouts and that would presumably lead to better results. 

It makes him a little more interesting, but do you pay based on such a SSS?  

Clay Buchholz and Garrett Richards please. 

Both are affordable. Clay can pitch out of the pen or start...had a quiet great year last year. Richards can be our Pineda signing of last year. Pitching is at a premium right now-the top 15 guys are going to cost quite a bit. 

*Britton is not going to be a bargain, but signing two affordable guys like Buchholz and Richards will allow us to spend a little extra on him. 

I would add Kelly for sure.  Late season trends are tip offs that he figured something out

And I don't think Reed should be blamed for last year's BP issues.

Molly played  favorites and burned out a few guys because he didn't seem to trust the others. That's on him.  

The Pohlad pocket protectors continue to blow my mind. I refuse to be bullied with passive-aggressive insults into accepting a falsehood (Pohlads aren’t cheap). It does not make one enlightened, or a higher-quality baseball mind to refute that the Pohlads are cheap. I’m sorry.

Please explain how they are not cheap. When your biggest free agent signing of all time is Ervin Santana, Ricky Nolasco, and Jason Castro....you’re cheap. Since 2010, other teams have signed 56 free agents to contract larger than the Twins largest of all time (Santana at $55 million). Three of the five largest free agent contracts in Twins history are under $25 million. How is that not the definition of cheap?

Let’s keep in mind that this is during a period of decades of total ineptitude for the most part. It’s not like they had the luxury of being cheap, because they were stacked with young talent. Since 1992, they’re one of the worst franchises in baseball. Supplementing the roster with free agents was as necessary as it could ever possibly be.

I’m not even arguing they shouldn’t be cheap, or which approach is correct here. But, they certainly don’t spend a lot of money. Bonnes’ podcast cohost has even pointed out how they haven’t even lived up to their bargain of spending X percent of their revenue (50% or something, don’t remember the exact number).

We have loads of evidence in the form of player negotiations, actual contracts signed, etc, that they are cheap. There are giant holes on the team annually that never get filled with competent players available on the market (bullpen and rotation, namely). Where is the evidence that they aren’t?

The fact that they’re not dead least in payroll means nothing. Simply stating they aren’t cheap doesn’t create a tulpa version of Pohlad brother who wants to sign a front-line starter.

And let not forget the timeless gem of imploring tax dollars get used for a new stadium so they can compete for free agents. If a company like Amazon considered building a location in the Twin Cities (which they did) if the appropriate tax abatements were in place, promising to hire 5,000 people....don’t you think people would be upset if they only hired 500? Exact same scenario.

Not being upset that they’re cheap, or agreeing with that approach is one thing (and probably not the worst take, even though the big dollar spenders hav 95% of the success). But flat out calling the blue sky green is another.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled program. I’m sure I’ll get banned for not having a take that’s agreeable to powers at be around here (because calling the Pohlads cheap is out of line, but berating those with those opinions isn’t). But, I just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to address this epidemic going around Twins Territory.

The Pohlad pocket protectors continue to blow my mind. I refuse to be bullied with passive-aggressive insults into accepting a falsehood (Pohlads aren’t cheap). It does not make one enlightened, or a higher-quality baseball mind to refute that the Pohlads are cheap. I’m sorry.

Please explain how they are not cheap. When your biggest free agent signing of all time is Ervin Santana, Ricky Nolasco, and Jason Castro....you’re cheap. Since 2010, other teams have signed 56 free agents to contract larger than the Twins largest of all time (Santana at $55 million). Three of the five largest free agent contracts in Twins history are under $25 million. How is that not the definition of cheap?

Let’s keep in mind that this is during a period of decades of total ineptitude for the most part. It’s not like they had the luxury of being cheap, because they were stacked with young talent. Since 1992, they’re one of the worst franchises in baseball. Supplementing the roster with free agents was as necessary as it could ever possibly be.

I’m not even arguing they shouldn’t be cheap, or which approach is correct here. But, they certainly don’t spend a lot of money. Bonnes’ podcast cohost has even pointed out how they haven’t even lived up to their bargain of spending X percent of their revenue (50% or something, don’t remember the exact number).

We have loads of evidence in the form of player negotiations, actual contracts signed, etc, that they are cheap. There are giant holes on the team annually that never get filled with competent players available on the market (bullpen and rotation, namely). Where is the evidence that they aren’t?

The fact that they’re not dead least in payroll means nothing. Simply stating they aren’t cheap doesn’t create a tulpa version of Pohlad brother who wants to sign a front-line starter.

And let not forget the timeless gem of imploring tax dollars get used for a new stadium so they can compete for free agents. If a company like Amazon considered building a location in the Twin Cities (which they did) if the appropriate tax abatements were in place, promising to hire 5,000 people....don’t you think people would be upset if they only hired 500? Exact same scenario.

Not being upset that they’re cheap, or agreeing with that approach is one thing (and probably not the worst take, even though the big dollar spenders hav 95% of the success). But flat out calling the blue sky green is another.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled program. I’m sure I’ll get banned for not having a take that’s agreeable to powers at be around here (because calling the Pohlads cheap is out of line, but berating those with those opinions isn’t). But, I just couldn’t pass up the opportunity to address this epidemic going around Twins Territory.

I think you misinterpreted the comment. Nobody is saying "the Pohlads aren't cheap." Rather, this is one of many off-season blue print articles, some of which are about spending a lot of money, and this one is about not spending much money. It's not an opinion about how much money to spend, but about how to do it if you're not spending a lot of money. And I believe the author was simply relieved that he was able to conduct this exercise without it turning into a debate about whether the Pohlads are cheap, since that debate takes away from the productive conversation about how to go about not spending a lot of money (if that's what you want to do).

The free agent market for starting pitchers is such a luck of the draw, especially diving into these bargain bins. Last year I thought guys like Alex Cobb and Andrew Cashner would have been good picks, only to see them both have horrible years. Shows what I know! Then again, I also thought Edwin Jackson would be worth a shot, and he ended up being a crucial piece of the A's rotation. As for this year's list, there isn't a one the remotely excites me.

Reed would have been fine if he was not over used so much early in the season.

I am not counting on Reed rebounding. They need to bring in three relievers to match with May and Rogers. If Reed gives them a sixth guy they can count on no one will be overused.

I’m all in on Kelly and Allen, but I think bringing in potential bargains like David Phelps, A.J. Ramos, Boone Logan, and Drew Storen could be just as important when it comes to improving the pen.

Reed has had too good of a career not to rebound. My biggest problem with Molly was overusing certain relievers. I think the pen is still a mess, even though we made solid moves last off season. 

We have decent starting pitching depth, and on my wish list is to package several, and get a 2/3 we can slot ahead of Berrios, Gibson, and Pineda. Also, I'm hoping Gibson or Pineda perform so well, they earn QO's.