Another Ace Injured: Joe Ryan Leaves Start With Elbow Soreness

[howeda7]

If it's TJS they should aggressively pursue an extension with at least one of Joe or Pablo. Preferably Joe. 

[Glorybound]

11 hours ago, howeda7 said:

If it's TJS they should aggressively pursue an extension with at least one of Joe or Pablo. Preferably Joe. 

Logically speaking you are right. Ownership is going to do nothing of the sort.

[Riverbrian]

17 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

I just want to acknowledge this is not hindsight on your part.  You had this stance of few months ago when many of us pointed out the foolishness of taking this risk given the state of the roster, especially given their unwillingness to spend.  The direction taken by ownership could end up being very costly for several years.  The Walker Jenkins parallel is an adept comparison and they would have gotten a 2nd good prospect as well.

Given ownership dropped payroll again, I would have liked to see them at least shop Pablo.  I think they could have gotten a good prospect had they absorbed $20M of his remaining salary like STL did with Sonny Gray..  Then, I would have liked to see them spend $15M which would have basically been a wash in terms of annual salary if you consider what they spent on Rogers / Banda.  I think RPs are the worst free agent investment.  However, we had nothing left in the bullpen after the deadline and those assets are the easiest to move at the deadline.

Trading Pablo wouldn't have been wrong.

My personal dial didn't twist that far but there are degrees to going for it and degrees to tearing it down. All I wanted was to acquire a young SS and a young 1B that are close to major league ready and whatever money they had to spend should have been invested in the bullpen. Ryan and Jeffers may have secured those two young pieces.

And they blew their limited funds on the C/DH position... they chose to acquire old SS's and 1B's. 

This club took the tiniest degree of going for it. The Tiniest degree. 

I thought they should flood with youth and they flooded with old. 

Banda, Orze, Wagaman, Jackson and Gray are what we acquired via trade. That pretty much sums up the effort. 

I will continue to not be afraid of youth. I do not believe rebuilds have to take a long time. Just move a damn direction and do it full speed. I believe the fans would be more excited watching Erod play than watching Josh Bell play  so they won't sell tickets. 

This was the hardest to justify off-season for many years including all teams. 

Hey its early in the season... who knows... maybe they shock us all. 

 

 

 

[mickster]

12 hours ago, howeda7 said:

If it's TJS they should aggressively pursue an extension with at least one of Joe or Pablo. Preferably Joe. 

both

[Major League Ready]

56 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

Trading Pablo wouldn't have been wrong.

My personal dial didn't twist that far but there are degrees to going for it and degrees to tearing it down. All I wanted was to acquire a young SS and a young 1B that are close to major league ready and whatever money they had to spend should have been invested in the bullpen. Ryan and Jeffers may have secured those two young pieces.

And they blew their limited funds on the C/DH position... they chose to acquire old SS's and 1B's. 

This club took the tiniest degree of going for it. The Tiniest degree. 

I thought they should flood with youth and they flooded with old. 

Banda, Orze, Wagaman, Jackson and Gray are what we acquired via trade. That pretty much sums up the effort. 

I will continue to not be afraid of youth. I do not believe rebuilds have to take a long time. Just move a damn direction and do it full speed. I believe the fans would be more excited watching Erod play than watching Josh Bell play  so they won't sell tickets. 

This was the hardest to justify off-season for many years including all teams. 

Hey its early in the season... who knows... maybe they shock us all. 

 

 

 

It's really hard to say what they should have done with Pablo because we don't know if there was a team that believed he was healthy and would have given trade value accordingly.  If there were serious offers, I think they should have used an approach similar to what the Cardinals did with Sonny Gray.  If retaining $10M/year could have gotten them a good prospect, they still would have had $11.75 to spend in the BP.  If they wanted to retain the tiny degree of going for it you described, they should have kept Varland and spend the $12M on Tyler Rogers.   That would have given them a better chance in every game instead of the 1 in 5 Pablo would have started had he remained healthy.  

[tarheeltwinsfan]

What is Joe Ryan's diagnosis and prognosis? This is 9:42 am on Tuesday, May the 5th.

[tony&rodney]

Injuries happen in all sports. The ability to play with/through an injury is relative to the sport and position of the athlete. A DH, pitcher, lineman, defensive back, forward, etc. all have unique skills and are affected quite differently by an injury. A broken finger for example does not hinder a lineman in football to the degree a similar injury shelves a pitcher. The Tigers and Dodgers had an incredible run of injuries last season. Money is certainly a factor in a team's ability to accumulate depth. The Twins do not have much depth and thus each injury stands out.

Every franchise in MLB knows that they can and are likely to lose pitchers during the season. Why and how those injuries happen are not scientifically known, except to say that throwing overhand is stressful on elbows and shoulders. Remember that when you toss pebbles into the water. Teams try to protect their arms and build them up slowly as they advance through various levels. By the time a pitcher reaches MLB they are fully conditioned to throw the number of pitches they are throwing. Taj Bradley didn't combust when he went over 100 pitches. The managers and pitching coaches have not asked anyone to do anything their arms cannot handle. Injuries happen.

I don't think anything changes for Joe Ryan due to his IL stint, or Pablo Lopez for that matter. They both control their own futures after the 2027 season. The Twins did not trade any names last offseason, but that has been the norm for a while. The Arraez for Lopez trade was an exception not the practice.

Opportunities are being given to players to step forward and claim roster positions. By August the Twins could have a number of new faces in uniform. Until June the guys being given opportunities now on are the clock. The only player who is a solid keeper at this time is Byron Buxton. Ryan Jeffers is, but his contract expires this October. 

Go Twins.

[Riverbrian]

1 hour ago, Major League Ready said:

It's really hard to say what they should have done with Pablo because we don't know if there was a team that believed he was healthy and would have given trade value accordingly.  If there were serious offers, I think they should have used an approach similar to what the Cardinals did with Sonny Gray.  If retaining $10M/year could have gotten them a good prospect, they still would have had $11.75 to spend in the BP.  If they wanted to retain the tiny degree of going for it you described, they should have kept Varland and spend the $12M on Tyler Rogers.   That would have given them a better chance in every game instead of the 1 in 5 Pablo would have started had he remained healthy.  

Eating some money certainly could have increased trade value. That could have helped us get younger on the infield and that is what I was hoping for.  

In order to be fair. My ideas don't always work either. When it comes to the allocation of funds... I stated that I would have invested in the bullpen. Needing more than one decent arm.  

I fully admit that I would have went after a couple of rebound candidates hoping to land one of them.

Devin Williams was my first choice but I never imagined that it would take 3 years at 51 Million to land him. That would have taken me out on Williams because it would have killed the majority of our budget. Based on what he did for the Yankees last year. I couldn't imagine 3 years and 51 million that the Mets paid. Based on what he did for the Yankees last year and what he is doing for the Mets so far this year. A minor league deal may be too much to have spent on Williams. I was just plain wrong on Devin.

The other reliever I liked was Helsley. Based on his collapse with the Mets (Maybe there is an issue with the Mets). I didn't see him getting two years and 28 million. That might have taken me out on Helsley as well. 

On the Varland trade. I had a soft spot for him being a Minnesota kid and wish he was still here but I have a hard time faulting Falvey for dealing him if they believe in Rojas. Picking up a young starter (left handed to boot) for a reliever is a win in my eyes because the starter is in theory going to work triple the innings. Rojas just has to work out in the future. Bradley and Abel are looking good right now. 

In hindsight... the bullpen was going to be a problem no matter how much money we spent.

If the bullpen was going to be a problem and we all thought it might be a problem. As you once said... What a perfect time to find some young infield talent to finish what they started in August. 

[mickster]

1 hour ago, mickster said:

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You can never have enough pitching, and then if the youngsters perform throughout you have assets to keep the farm system replenished.   Your retunn on trading Pablo was already a bit lower than it should be based on his contract and now has bottomed out.   Selling low is never a good idea.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

7 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

What is Joe Ryan's diagnosis and prognosis? This is 9:42 am on Tuesday, May the 5th.

https://www.mlb.com/news/joe-ryan-set-to-make-next-start-after-injury-exit?adobe_mc=TS%3D1778017052|MCMID%3D54240639876190496946083448105025976764|MCORGID%3DA65F776A5245B01B0A490D44@AdobeOrg&affiliateId=mlbapp-ios_webview_news-index&rsid=mlbios.at.bat.new.implementation
 

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oh what a relief it is!