Minnesota Twins Now Have Difficulty Finding Room for Kyle Gibson

[Guest USAFChief]

Yogi Berra's wit hinges on conceptual redundancy and logical inconsistency, not tautology. "Predictions are hard...especially about the future." The phrase is not repeated, but the first concept is echoed in the second phrase. "It's so crowded, nobody goes there anymore." Apparent logical inversion, yet it's a turn on the concept of "nobody" as in nobody important. Berra's sayings always imply a subtle observation on the human condition, which makes them far more interesting than merely repeating the same thing.

Interesting, but then again, Yogi never said most of the things he said.

[raindog]

Let me see...hope that a guy pitches well--so you can trade him? Ah, what a strategy! Trade all of your good players for minor leaguers. It all makes sense now--a site that spends as many inches (more?) on minor leaguers than on the Twins, so of course the more minor leaguers, the more "prospects" to talk about!

 

What do you want? The Twins to keep treading water as a mediocre team? Why the heck would you care if Correia was traded?

 

This is the way to build a contending team. If they were contenders and tried to trade away good players for prospects, you might have reason to complain. I think most people want the Twins to become an elite team in the future. They aren't going to do it by going balls to the wall in free agency. Even if they made some high profile signings this past winter, they'd be a mediocre team. So, you trade for prospects and draft well. Then you hit up free agency. (And they better. If they go cheap then, I'll be mad too.)

[cmathewson]

What do you want? The Twins to keep treading water as a mediocre team? Why the heck would you care if Correia was traded?

 

This is the way to build a contending team. If they were contenders and tried to trade away good players for prospects, you might have reason to complain. I think most people want the Twins to become an elite team in the future. They aren't going to do it by going balls to the wall in free agency. Even if they made some high profile signings this past winter, they'd be a mediocre team. So, you trade for prospects and draft well. Then you hit up free agency. (And they better. If they go cheap then, I'll be mad too.)

 

Terry Ryan's signature move is to go bargain shopping for FAs in the offseason and trade them at the deadline for high A prospects. I wouldn't be surprised if both Correia and Pelfrey are dealt this way.

[ashbury]

Interesting, but then again, Yogi never said most of the things he said.

 

If he didn't want to say them, nobody was gonna stop him.

[Monkeypaws]

What about the man of mystery, Rich Harden? Will he pitch this year?

 

Trading Correia may be a great example of buy low sell high, but only if they get something good.

 

Pelfrey might be a keeper. Isn't he less removed from Tommy John than Baker, who has yet to pitch for the Cubs?

 

He ran out of gas and got torched in the late-middle of games, but now he is getting further into them.

 

I want Gibson to start some games for the Twins THIS season; Give him some some direct experience so he has a clue next spring what it's all about. 26 year old rookie, hurrumph!

[Thrylos]

Pelfrey might be a keeper.

 

He is a free agent after this season, so the better he pitches, the higher his price and the lower the value...

[stringer bell]

He is a free agent after this season, so the better he pitches, the higher his price and the lower the value...

I think it will be interesting to see what the Twins do with Pelf. He seems to be improving, he isn't that old and he's only signed for this year. I see 2014 as the ramp-up year for the Twins and having an improved Pelfrey might not be a bad idea.

[mikecgrimes]

Gibson has a spot waiting for him the moment he proves he's to good for Triple A. Coming up here so he can have a 5.8 ERA does nobody any good.

[Aaron Cross]

Let me see...hope that a guy pitches well--s

o you can trade him? Ah, what a strategy! Trade all of your good players for minor leaguers. It all makes sense now--a site that spends as many inches (more?) on minor leaguers than on the Twins, so of course the more minor leaguers, the more "prospects" to talk about!

Its called rebuilding.

[Aaron Cross]

This innings limit for gibson is sad. Put him on a 90 pitch count and let him pitch the whole season for chrisakes.

[jm3319]

Gibson has a spot waiting for him the moment he proves he's to good for Triple A. Coming up here so he can have a 5.8 ERA does nobody any good.

Strongly disagree. I'd much rather have him get called up and get shelled than stay in AAA even if he is still inconsistent. Who cares if he has a 5.8 ERA in a season where wins and losses don't matter? I'd rather he get experience for the years to come so he has something to build on when games do matter. It's not like the 5 guys in the big leagues have been lights out all season.

[Halsey Hall]

I've never heard of a season where wins and losses don't matter.

[cmathewson]

Gibson has a spot waiting for him the moment he proves he's to good for Triple A. Coming up here so he can have a 5.8 ERA does nobody any good.

 

In the last 10 starts, he's averaged 7 innings per start, 8 K/9 with an ERA of 3 and a FIP below that. Find me another Twins prospect who had that kind of record at AAA and yet had to wait for a call-up. The closest I could find was Garza after he was demoted. Considering the sorry state of our rotation, his innings limit, and the fact that he is past any date for Super 2 and the extra year, his continued presence in Roch is a head scratcher.

[jm3319]

I've never heard of a season where wins and losses don't matter.

 

Must not have watched these last few seasons. My point being: It wouldn't matter if Gibson gets shelled and goes 0-10 or is lights out and goes 10-0. This team isn't making the playoffs either way. Thus, let him get MLB experience and not worry about wins and losses as a result.

[johnnydakota]

Just to clarify, the defensive whiz, Son of Sal, had 2 of those 3 errors, which directly led to the 3 runs that were scored by Gwinnett in the 4th inning- oh- and he was O-fer the night, BA now at .154 in SSS. Chris Hermann pinch hit for him and came up big in the bottom of the 9th.

 

Major overreaction about Gibson's night, he's proven he's more than ready to move up to the next level.

S.O.S son of Sal who carries a career minoer leaque avarage of .215 to go alng with his major leaque avg of .183. What does he have pics of ryan in a red dress? married to Pohlad niece? what , what what does this franchise see in this dufus?

[johnnydakota]

Terry Ryan's signature move is to go bargain shopping for FAs in the offseason and trade them at the deadline for high A prospects. I wouldn't be surprised if both Correia and Pelfrey are dealt this way.

 

Which bargin basement free agent has he trade in the past?

Teryys signature move is to pay money for garbage, and make that FA awaste of space and money ....Instead of signing and paying for quality players , who have value,and hence are assets...not a WOS (waste of space)

[johnnydakota]

I've never heard of a season where wins and losses don't matter.[/quote

 

New to being a Twins fan?

[johnnydakota]

Its called rebuilding.

 

Rebuilding? is why we play a slow footed catcher in right field, is why we play a soon to be 40 Yo.MI ,Is why we keep a 30 year old career minor leaquer with a minor leaque avarage of .215,and a mlb avg of .183 on the 40 man roster while releasing 25 and 26 year olds posible prospects...This is not rebuilding , its smoke and mirrors to keep the sheep grazing and paying ,while Ryan and Gardy try to keep there jobs...

[Riverbrian]

I think Deduno has talent.

I think Diamond has a little cred from last year.

I think Correia has rope from his contract and he has done well.

I think Walters is performing right now.

I think Pelfrey has rope from his contract.

 

Gibson will be up when one of those 5 things are not true anymore or when someone is injured.

 

I can't wait to see him pitch but currently... At this moment at least... Those 5 pitchers have been a decent rotation of late... Its the offense that needs someone Gibson like... right now.

[Halsey Hall]

Must not have watched these last few seasons. My point being: It wouldn't matter if Gibson gets shelled and goes 0-10 or is lights out and goes 10-0. This team isn't making the playoffs either way. Thus, let him get MLB experience and not worry about wins and losses as a result.

 

I miss few games, so probably watched more than you have, and I don't like watching losses. So, to me, wins and losses mean something. The team has been a whole lot easier to watch lately, compared to last season, as we are getting some decent pitching early and not falling behind by 5 runs 3 innings into it. What we need is some hitting.

 

I've seen Gibson since he's signed with us, and he is what he is, that's it. No big deal. I think alot of posters gushing about him are going to be disappointed. No sense rushing disappointment. He'll get here when someone else implodes or gets injured.

[Halsey Hall]

I've never heard of a season where wins and losses don't matter.[/quote

 

New to being a Twins fan?

Much longer than you, son, much longer.

[Oxtung]

I think it will be interesting to see what the Twins do with Pelf. He seems to be improving, he isn't that old and he's only signed for this year. I see 2014 as the ramp-up year for the Twins and having an improved Pelfrey might not be a bad idea.

 

It certainly isn't a good idea either. Pelfrey wasn't good before the TJ surgery. Considering how much money the Twins will have to play with I sure hope they find a better pitcher to fill any potential openings in the rotation next season. Depending on the price and the years involved a reclamation like Lincecum or Halladay would definitely intrigue me. Someone with some upside where if you hit it rich you can look to either resign or flip at the deadline for prospects.

[Brock Beauchamp]

The problem with Kyle Gibson is that he's not showing enough Gibson, as evidenced by his inGibson pitching early in the season. Over the past month of starts, Gibson has started to show a little more Gibson but he's not quite Gibson enough to warrant a call to Minnesota, where pitching coach Rick Anderson prizes Gibson above everything else.

 

What Gibson needs to do is keep the ball down, focus on letting his defense play, and the Gibson problem with solve itself. Part of Gibson's Gibson problem is that he's not keeping the defense on their toes and letting the game come to him; instead, Gibson is trying to show a different kind of Gibson, and that is the ability to miss bats. While the Twins remain high on Gibson, this type of Gibson is not something they like to preach to young pitchers, for it complicates their current line of thinking, where Gibson will get more Gibson from pitching to contact.

 

Gibson Gibson.

 

Gibson.

 

(thanks, snepp)

[GCTF]

consistency

 

Just checking. The other option, of course, would be a Gibson thumbnail appearing instead of the word.

[Oldgoat_MN]

johnnydakota! How could you?

 

New to being a Twins fan?

 

To a guy whose handle is Halsey Hall?

 

johnny! We all know you're better than this.

[ashbury]

I think Deduno has talent.

I think Diamond has a little cred from last year.

I think Correia has rope from his contract and he has done well.

I think Walters is performing right now.

I think Pelfrey has rope from his contract.

 

Gibson will be up when one of those 5 things are not true anymore

 

Gibson will be up when you stop thinking things?

[cmathewson]

Gibson will be up next year some time, probably to start the year. He's got seven starts left this year. They're not in any hurry to make any of those MLB starts.

[zenser]

I do hope that they get Gibson's feet wet this year. I can't help but look at how the Royals are handling their system. A few years back we were hearing how stacked their farm system was. Now, pretty much all of the position players are up but some of the pitchers have hardly had a cup of coffee in KC. Where are they at? They are showing potential but still hanging around .500.

 

What I worry about is the learning curve. It took Gordan to get going. Hosmer and Moustakas have both struggled. Escobar looks like a good shortstop but it took him a couple of years. Cain and Perez have the look of a potential star.

 

I think it is time to give Parmelee as serious look to see if he can play and it is time to get Gibson's feet wet so he can get over the learning curve sooner than later.

[chopper0080]

Gibson will be up next year some time, probably to start the year. He's got seven starts left this year. They're not in any hurry to make any of those MLB starts.

 

It is starting to look this way.

 

Ugh, I hate the fact the Twins will go into 2014 without any knowledge of how Gibson will look at the major league level. I was really hoping they would give him 7-10 starts so he could see how major league hitters would be approaching him and then could use the offseason to make adjustments. Now, it doesn't look like he will have that opportunity.

[IdahoPilgrim]

Let's keep in mind that that 130-inning thing is just a ballpark figure. While it was reported secondhand, I've yet to see a quote direct from a Twins official giving any sort of figure. And even the secondhand quote said 130-140, and that was in February before they even knew how Gibson's arm was going to respond.

 

He'll get some MLB time this year, and he'll be with the club from day one next year.