C'Mon Twins FO, Make a Bold Move!

[SteveLV]

There are still some quality FA's out there who would vastly improve our roster.  The TV deal is getting done.

Plus, the Marlins are still looking for SS and C help.

We need another stud SP.  Better to do it now than at the trade deadline so we have the benefit of that player(s) throughout the season.

Git"R Done!

[dxpavelka]

so maybe we should trade our SS & C or a SP?

 

[Trov]

1 hour ago, SteveLV said:

There are still some quality FA's out there who would vastly improve our roster.  The TV deal is getting done.

Plus, the Marlins are still looking for SS and C help.

We need another stud SP.  Better to do it now than at the trade deadline so we have the benefit of that player(s) throughout the season.

Git"R Done!

The top FA are seeking very long term deals, and so far no team has been willing to bite.  The fact that Twins will have a 1 year TV deal does not make money down the road more secure.  I am sure if Twins could get either Snell or Montgomery for a 1 or 2 year deal they would look to do it, but both are looking for 5 plus year deals. At 31 years old that will be a risky sign of either. Until they sign, trades for top pitchers will be harder to figure out because teams looking to sign Snell or Montgomery may have trade as a fallback, but if they sign, then that limits the amount of people looking to trade. 

The FO has long been known to wait out the market to not overpay.  However, if the market for Burnes was what they got in return we really should have kicked the tires on a trade like that more.  We could have matched that deal for sure, unless Brew Crew felt better about the return than most other people. 

It also sounds like most teams are balking at trading their young starting pitchers. 

[stringer bell]

I doubt a marquee starter will be acquired. If the Twins add a starter at this point, I would expect it’s a below the radar type probably from a non-contender.

Miami made the post season last year and I doubt they will give away pitching unless they get quite a haul. That wouldn’t be Kyle Farmer. It would be Lewis or Lee.

I’m sure they’d like Jeffers, but that would create a huge hole for the Twins.

Count me among those believing that the Twins should add a starter, but doubtful they will do so. 

[Cory Engelhardt]

8 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

I doubt a marquee starter will be acquired. If the Twins add a starter at this point, I would expect it’s a below the radar type probably from a non-contender.

Miami made the post season last year and I doubt they will give away pitching unless they get quite a haul. That wouldn’t be Kyle Farmer. It would be Lewis or Lee.

I’m sure they’d like Jeffers, but that would create a huge hole for the Twins.

Count me among those believing that the Twins should add a starter, but doubtful they will do so. 

Count me in the group that they will add a starter. And with that, whoever it is, there will be people who are mad that it isn't a "bigger" name. 

As always, don't read the comments :)

But I am fairly certain they will add.

[DocBauer]

Honestly, I think the FO has been very deliberate in NOT including any of their top 3-5 prospects in a deal. I think anyone else, and the Gray QO pick next year are on the table. The Twins FO is VALUE BASED on the moves they make, always with an eye on the future.

They might move E Rodriguez or the newly acquired Gonzalez in a deal. They might include Jones, Matthews, Culpepper, or any young arm not named Festa or Raya...though they MIGHT move one of them if the deal makes sense. There's also Severino, Rosario, J Rodriguez, Mercedes, DeAndre and others who are quality prospects. I still think a team like Miami might be really intrigued by Larnach as a powerful LH bat who hasn't quite put it all together just yet.

What I DON'T understand is reports Miami had Arraez available a year after they acquired him and he won the batting title. Was this the new GM trying to flip him for more? Are they soured on his lack of power and position placement? Really odd to me.

With all the vast speculation of trade possibilities for a SP add, I always felt Seattle and Miami made the most sense. But I just never saw the Twins trading away what it would take to get Luzardo. The guy I always saw was Edward Cabrera. He's out of options, if I remember correctly, had a really nice 14 games in 2022, but was mediocre in 2023. Not having any options is a concern for the Twins. But the kid has some good stuff. And their new GM comes from Tampa where he probably learned to identify moving players for prospects.

And I keep wondering as ST approaches if maybe a cheap and potential filled Larnach, the newly acquired Gonzalez, Severino...close to ML...Schobel or Keaschall, Rosario, J Rodriguez, Mercedes, DeAndre, Jones, Matthews, Culpepper, Camargo, etc, might not induce them in to a 3 for 1 kind of deal, possibly with the Gray QO draft pick included, to bring Cabrera to the Twins.

If the Miami pitching depth is as good as reported...similar to Seattle...and they need offense, and have a new "Tampa thinking" GM, the Twins can offer Larnach and Camargo for immediate help, AND/OR a combination of either with a group of young top 20 prospect talent, and a top draft choice for the new GM to work with.

The Twins get a 27yo arm with control but no options, a great half season in 2022, a mediocre 2023, but some great stuff and a ton of potential to work with. 

The Marlins have a top draft pick and their choice of a couple 40 man players and anyone in the system other than the top 5 or 6. And the Twins get a young arm with the potential to be a #2-3 if they can get him on the right track.

This makes so much sense for both teams it's killing me. I've been preaching about a deal for Cabrera for months now that fits what the Twins need and want and can afford. 

There's some risk, but it's the smart move. IMO.

TOMORROW should be a signing of Taylor or Duvall, maybe Pham, for a RH OF on the cheap as they and a couple other options are just sitting there, disappointed in the market, and looking for a deal. Do the Twins want defense and speed and CF help...Taylor...or more power in Duvall, etc? Just make a move and add!

Then make a move with Miami for Cabrera. Hell, they might even want DeScalfini back to fill out their rotation.

[tony&rodney]

37 minutes ago, DocBauer said:

Honestly, I think the FO has been very deliberate in NOT including any of their top 3-5 prospects in a deal. I think anyone else, and the Gray QO pick next year are on the table. The Twins FO is VALUE BASED on the moves they make, always with an eye on the future.

They might move E Rodriguez or the newly acquired Gonzalez in a deal. They might include Jones, Matthews, Culpepper, or any young arm not named Festa or Raya...though they MIGHT move one of them if the deal makes sense. There's also Severino, Rosario, J Rodriguez, Mercedes, DeAndre and others who are quality prospects. I still think a team like Miami might be really intrigued by Larnach as a powerful LH bat who hasn't quite put it all together just yet.

What I DON'T understand is reports Miami had Arraez available a year after they acquired him and he won the batting title. Was this the new GM trying to flip him for more? Are they soured on his lack of power and position placement? Really odd to me.

With all the vast speculation of trade possibilities for a SP add, I always felt Seattle and Miami made the most sense. But I just never saw the Twins trading away what it would take to get Luzardo. The guy I always saw was Edward Cabrera. He's out of options, if I remember correctly, had a really nice 14 games in 2022, but was mediocre in 2023. Not having any options is a concern for the Twins. But the kid has some good stuff. And their new GM comes from Tampa where he probably learned to identify moving players for prospects.

And I keep wondering as ST approaches if maybe a cheap and potential filled Larnach, the newly acquired Gonzalez, Severino...close to ML...Schobel or Keaschall, Rosario, J Rodriguez, Mercedes, DeAndre, Jones, Matthews, Culpepper, Camargo, etc, might not induce them in to a 3 for 1 kind of deal, possibly with the Gray QO draft pick included, to bring Cabrera to the Twins.

If the Miami pitching depth is as good as reported...similar to Seattle...and they need offense, and have a new "Tampa thinking" GM, the Twins can offer Larnach and Camargo for immediate help, AND/OR a combination of either with a group of young top 20 prospect talent, and a top draft choice for the new GM to work with.

The Twins get a 27yo arm with control but no options, a great half season in 2022, a mediocre 2023, but some great stuff and a ton of potential to work with. 

The Marlins have a top draft pick and their choice of a couple 40 man players and anyone in the system other than the top 5 or 6. And the Twins get a young arm with the potential to be a #2-3 if they can get him on the right track.

This makes so much sense for both teams it's killing me. I've been preaching about a deal for Cabrera for months now that fits what the Twins need and want and can afford. 

There's some risk, but it's the smart move. IMO.

TOMORROW should be a signing of Taylor or Duvall, maybe Pham, for a RH OF on the cheap as they and a couple other options are just sitting there, disappointed in the market, and looking for a deal. Do the Twins want defense and speed and CF help...Taylor...or more power in Duvall, etc? Just make a move and add!

Then make a move with Miami for Cabrera. Hell, they might even want DeScalfini back to fill out their rotation.

Cabrera was my push in the offseason, primarily as a bullpen pitcher.

The very last suggestion makes sense. The Twins send DeSclafani, Larnach, Schobel, Gabriel Gonzalez, the draft compensation pick, and $2 million to Miami for Edward Cabrera.

[Doctor Gast]

6 hours ago, DocBauer said:

What I DON'T understand is reports Miami had Arraez available a year after they acquired him and he won the batting title. Was this the new GM trying to flip him for more? Are they soured on his lack of power and position placement? Really odd to me.

If the Miami pitching depth is as good as reported...similar to Seattle...and they need offense, and have a new "Tampa thinking" GM, the Twins can offer Larnach and Camargo for immediate help, AND/OR a combination of either with a group of young top 20 prospect talent, and a top draft choice for the new GM to work with.

This makes so much sense for both teams it's killing me. I've been preaching about a deal for Cabrera for months now that fits what the Twins need and want and can afford. 

There's some risk, but it's the smart move. IMO.

Then make a move with Miami for Cabrera. Hell, they might even want DeScalfini back to fill out their rotation.

What I heard was that MIA thought they couldn't afford to extend Arraez, which I believe was part of the reason why we traded him.

MIA's new GM (former TB) will bring that TB squeeze the most out of their big names to above market prices to MIA. They won't move Luzardo until they get the deal they want (unfortunately).

Cabrera has always been intriguing to me. Love his stuff but his control problems are driving MIA crazy. IMO they'd be willing to trade him for a reasonable price. Larnach or Carmago won't bring much as well as DeScalafina & Salas (IMO Sala would do much better returning home). They might be interested in any of them but they'd need a bigger fish that they need to headline that trade (maybe they'd be interested in Gonzalez).

Cabrera will be risky, MIA has had underwhelming catchers who probably haven't done much to control him but maybe a veteran catcher who's good at controlling pitchers like Vazquez could help him out. Could be worth the risk.

[Doctor Gast]

Luzardo would have fit perfectly into our rotation & greatly improved the team. But we didn't play our cards right, so Luzardo will become another big one that got away story.

There is a fine line between a bold move & a stupid move. IMO it's timing, a bold move is making the right move at the right time. A stupid move is after the ship has sailed you end up making a move out of desperation, which is disastrous.

[Nashvilletwin]

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A lot of great comments and good ideas. But count me as one who thinks the FO this season is playing both for the short and long games as it relates to trades.

Re this season, we actually have very little overall depth among position players. In the outfield, we have tons of question marks between Buxton’s health, Wallner’s sophomore season, and Kepler’s Jekyll and Hyde production.  After that we have five mediocre/unproven  players as backups: Castro, Gordon, Martin, Larnach, and Keirsey.  That’s not much. Larnach stays for now - he’s likely to be needed. Non 1B infield is the same: our reserves are Farmer, Castro, Gordon and Lee.  And catcher? Carmargo and Williams (not on the 40 man).  1B? Severino and Miranda.  And remember, Gordon is out of options - so if he doesn’t stay with the big club, we’d probably lose him.  The bench is shallow and unproven.

Re the long game, the FO sees a remarkable opportunity opening up in a couple of years - namely, a team of young, productive, cheap players. They do not want to move any of their top six - eight prospects. After that, no one is close enough to the bigs and/or good enough to move the dial meaningfully to acquire a player who can help now.

So it’s a short term FA (if the budget is there) or nothing at all from this point forward.  

[SteveLV]

A bold move would be to sacrifice one of your top prospects like Lee to improve the SP rotation at the MLB level.  

Obviously the value has to be there, but it is bold as it entails risk that you may not win or equalize the trade in the long run.

Still hoping they explore this, or else perhaps a pillow contract for one of the remaining good FA starting pitchers who may get hung out to dry.