2023 Vikings Regular Season Thread

[Mike Sixel]

If the Patriots keep Bellichek (so?), they are insane. 

[Vanimal46]

29 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Kirk should be brought back next year and a quarterback can be drafted if one is available. Kirk is outstanding and gives us the best chance to win.

Bringing back Kirk will result in losing at least one of Darrisaw, Jefferson, or Hunter. I would rather get off the ride one year too early vs. one year too late. Kirk is 36 and the cliff is approaching for him soon. 

[Vanimal46]

Simply put, the Vikings are 4-4 this season with Kirk. And 3-3 without him. Yes, a lot went into those records beyond QB play. But let’s not make Kirk Cousins out to be more than he was. 

[Danchat]

Falcons Arthur Smith needs to go. He stinks.

[Aggies7]

30 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Simply put, the Vikings are 4-4 this season with Kirk. And 3-3 without him. Yes, a lot went into those records beyond QB play. But let’s not make Kirk Cousins out to be more than he was. 

He was putting up MVP numbers though. You aren’t replacing those numbers easily 

[Aggies7]

So far a good day with the packers losing. 

[Vanimal46]

8 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

He was putting up MVP numbers though. You aren’t replacing those numbers easily 

Those MVP numbers got us to a .500 record. 

My top priorities are to re-sign Hunter and give Brian Flores a blank check to remain as DC. 

[Aggies7]

4 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Those MVP numbers got us to a .500 record. 

My top priorities are to re-sign Hunter and give Brian Flores a blank check to remain as DC. 

Turnovers killed us in the first few games. Prime Tom Brady wasn’t overcoming a -9 turnover differential. Once they settle down we started winning. 

[Vanimal46]

58 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Turnovers killed us in the first few games. Prime Tom Brady wasn’t overcoming a -9 turnover differential. Once they settle down we started winning. 

Which Kirk contributed plenty towards that number. 12 turnovers for him. It feels like there’s a bit of ex girlfriend syndrome here. You’re fondly remembering the good times with Kirk and forgetting he’s had plenty of unspectacular, to downright awful games in his Vikings tenure. 

[Aggies7]

14 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Which Kirk contributed plenty towards that number. 12 turnovers for him. It feels like there’s a bit of ex girlfriend syndrome here. You’re fondly remembering the good times with Kirk and forgetting he’s had plenty of unspectacular, to downright awful games in his Vikings tenure. 

How many awful games has he had in the last couple years? Kirk was a top 10 (maybe #10 to be fair) qb the last two seasons. Who’s replacing that production? Jaren Hall? Unknown draft pick? I don’t want to lose any of those guys you mentioned either, but Danielle Hunter with a below average QB isn’t great either. Can’t win anything with a mediocre or below average QB

[Vanimal46]

15 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

How many awful games has he had in the last couple years? Kirk was a top 10 (maybe #10 to be fair) qb the last two seasons. Who’s replacing that production? Jaren Hall? Unknown draft pick? I don’t want to lose any of those guys you mentioned either, but Danielle Hunter with a below average QB isn’t great either. Can’t win anything with a mediocre or below average QB

This year the first Chicago game (3 turnovers) and the Carolina game (139 yards passing 3 turnovers)

Last year Philly, Dallas, and Green Bay. He has 4-5 games where he looks like an MVP, 4-5 games where he looks like one of the worst starting QBs in football, and the rest are between meh and good. 

Who’s replacing that production? Well that’s why Kwesi is paid the big bucks. I am hoping they draft a QB early and roll with them. 

[Vanimal46]

The reality is there is not enough money to afford a Kirk contract, Jefferson/Darrisaw extensions, and Hunter. I’m not prioritizing paying a 36 year old QB fresh off Achilles surgery when there is lots of examples of QBs falling off a cliff in their late 30s. 

[Aggies7]

2 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

The reality is there is not enough money to afford a Kirk contract, Jefferson/Darrisaw extensions, and Hunter. I’m not prioritizing paying a 36 year old QB fresh off Achilles surgery when there is lots of examples of QBs falling off a cliff in their late 30s. 

They did increase the cap about $17 million

[Aggies7]

Looks like the rams will go to 7-7. Packers will drop out at 6-8. Saints are 7-7 and play the rams next week. Just have to see what the Seahawks do tomorrow 

[Aggies7]

Kirk QB rating rank by year:

2020: 8

2021: 4

2022: 14

2023: 4

[Parfigliano]

Packers lost.  Cowboys losing.  That's a good day.

[Aggies7]

Dallas can’t handle success 

[Mike Sixel]

30 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Dallas can’t handle success 

Why is Prescott out there? Insane. 

[Vanimal46]

Basically a repeat of last season. The 49ers are playing dominant football in December, while Philly and Dallas are showing their warts. 

[gunnarthor]

3 hours ago, Aggies7 said:

Kirk QB rating rank by year:

2020: 8

2021: 4

2022: 14

2023: 4

If 2024 Kirk is closer to 2022 Kirk (which, to me, is likely) than I think I'd rather have the Vikings target someone in the draft or find someone else. I agree with the idea of jumping off one year early over one year late.

That said, I suspect the Vikings are looking around at the league and saying, "If Kirk were healthy, we'd be able to compete with anyone." I don't think that's true but I suspect that's KOC's mindset. I would bet we bring Kirk back on a three year deal.

[Mike Sixel]

22 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

If 2024 Kirk is closer to 2022 Kirk (which, to me, is likely) than I think I'd rather have the Vikings target someone in the draft or find someone else. I agree with the idea of jumping off one year early over one year late.

That said, I suspect the Vikings are looking around at the league and saying, "If Kirk were healthy, we'd be able to compete with anyone." I don't think that's true but I suspect that's KOC's mindset. I would bet we bring Kirk back on a three year deal.

If you don't think Nix or penix is a legit starter, they aren't getting one in the draft. The top three will go way before they pick. Way before. 

[Vanimal46]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

If you don't think Nix or penix is a legit starter, they aren't getting one in the draft. The top three will go way before they pick. Way before. 

It's entirely possible we lose the final 3 games and end up with a pick in the early teens. If Daniels is their guy, moving up to take him in the top 10 won't be too expensive. 

Even if we end up 9-8 and pick in the early 20's, trading into the top 10 isn't crazy expensive. The range of outcomes is wild over the next 3 weeks. 

[Vanimal46]

Calling it now... I like the Ravens a lot to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. 

[Aggies7]

34 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

If 2024 Kirk is closer to 2022 Kirk (which, to me, is likely) than I think I'd rather have the Vikings target someone in the draft or find someone else. I agree with the idea of jumping off one year early over one year late.

That said, I suspect the Vikings are looking around at the league and saying, "If Kirk were healthy, we'd be able to compete with anyone." I don't think that's true but I suspect that's KOC's mindset. I would bet we bring Kirk back on a three year deal.

It’s not that crazy a thought. 7 losses by a total of 26 points (3.7 point average per loss). They beat the apparent best team in the NFC. The defensive improvement has been obvious, yesterday notwithstanding. Turning it over to a rookie QB or a free agent…I don’t know. I gotta roll with kirko and maybe they can still draft a guy and let him sit a bit 

[Mike Sixel]

2 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

It's entirely possible we lose the final 3 games and end up with a pick in the early teens. If Daniels is their guy, moving up to take him in the top 10 won't be too expensive. 

Even if we end up 9-8 and pick in the early 20's, trading into the top 10 isn't crazy expensive. The range of outcomes is wild over the next 3 weeks. 

Daniels is going in the top five. I'd trade up for him, but it don't be cheap

[gunnarthor]

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

If you don't think Nix or penix is a legit starter, they aren't getting one in the draft. The top three will go way before they pick. Way before. 

I think the Vikings will target McCarthy if they don't go with Kirk.

[wabene]

12 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

It's entirely possible we lose the final 3 games and end up with a pick in the early teens. If Daniels is their guy, moving up to take him in the top 10 won't be too expensive. 

Even if we end up 9-8 and pick in the early 20's, trading into the top 10 isn't crazy expensive. The range of outcomes is wild over the next 3 weeks. 

I'll believe the Vikings traded UP in the draft when I see it. Color me sceptical. 

[stringer bell]

On 12/15/2023 at 8:38 AM, gunnarthor said:

Reid is going to coach until he dies. Like, he literally has no life outside of coaching. 

He's great in TV commercials.

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, gunnarthor said:

I think the Vikings will target McCarthy if they don't go with Kirk.

He's my least favorite of the top 6, so of course they will....

[nicksaviking]

13 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

It's entirely possible we lose the final 3 games and end up with a pick in the early teens. If Daniels is their guy, moving up to take him in the top 10 won't be too expensive. 

Even if we end up 9-8 and pick in the early 20's, trading into the top 10 isn't crazy expensive. The range of outcomes is wild over the next 3 weeks. 

Yeah, if they have to move up, they have to hold their noses and do it.

But Nix seems like the kind of guy, whom if he falls, he's going to have a chip on his shoulder. Those QBs are often the most dangerous and I'd be interested.