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[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, DJL44 said:

I don't want him playing 3B for the Twins except in an emergency. He's not good enough. I think when Miranda grows up he's going to be Solano.

That's fair. I'd like to see if he can improve or not......he's not a finished product by any means. But I get that others don't agree.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

32 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

He runs the bases a max of twice a game most of the time. He'd play defense a minimum of 8 innings a game. That's a whole lot more wear and tear on your knees than swinging a dozen times, and running the bases once or twice. Just the jogs to and from CF before and after each inning would be more steps than he takes on offense. I don't see what's nonsensical about it at all.

Strikes out 30%, if he gets 5 plate appearances that’s running to first 3.5 times per game. He has a 30% OBP so in those 5 plate appearances he reaches 1.5 times per game.

[Vanimal46]

30 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

They'd definitely have to set their bar at a certain level for Gray. And the other FOs know it, too. Whether they're willing to pay it or not likely comes down to supply and demand at the deadline. They know they have to get a player back that's equal to a pick in the #30-35 range in the draft. And they know they need prospects worth Gray for the second half as well. You let teams know that's the price, and see what happens. I think it's quite possible they could get that back for him at the deadline with there being more buyers than sellers. I don't think they'll do it, though. I'd think there's a little fear for their jobs if they have to sell at the deadline after making so many "win now" moves the last year plus.

Concur. I don’t know who is potentially available for trade in July, but I’ve got to imagine Sonny Gray will be a top candidate to acquire. I think he could fetch a big return. 

[TwinsDr2021]

14 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

I don't want him playing 3B for the Twins except in an emergency. He's not good enough. I think when Miranda grows up he's going to be Solano.

If Miranda's future is Solano, there really is no reason to keep him on the 40 or have him part of this teams future, because Solano's are a dime a dozen, he career OPS less than Kepler's.

[TwinsDr2021]

44 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

100%. Keep him at third this year (unless you want to get Miranda back up) to get him comfortable, but let him know he's likely the starting CF next year.

Not sure I grasp this logic, you want him to be the starting CF next year but don't want him out there this year because 3B is somehow easier to get comfortable hitting? IMO if they are thinking he could play CF (I don't think they do because I believe they think he is too fragile) why not get him out there a couple of times a week now?

 

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

Strikes out 30%, if he gets 5 plate appearances that’s running to first 3.5 times per game. He has a 30% OBP so in those 5 plate appearances he reaches 1.5 times per game.

So 315 feet of running to first base on average, and let's give him another 180 feet of running the bases on average. So 495 feet of running on offense on average.

According to my very rough measuring on Google maps, CF is roughly 275 feet away from the 1st base dugout at Target Field. That makes sense since the fence is 400+ feet away, and might even be a little on the low end with how far back he plays now. So 16 trips of 275 is 4400 feet. That's just jogging to and from his position for 8 innings. Not including him chasing down a single ball, or moving even 5 quick steps in the direction of the ball that's hit, but he doesn't have to field.

He's already at nearly 10x more feet covered by simply taking his position every inning. I think that's a pretty clear difference between DHing and playing CF. You'd also have to add those 495 offensive feet to his total output when he's in CF cuz he's still hitting then.

I don't know your feelings on Buxton in CF, the knee situation, or anything, so I'm not aiming this stuff directly at you, you just provided a good chance to throw some numbers out for the crowd that doesn't think there's a real difference in playing CF and DHing.

[Mike Sixel]

8 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

Concur. I don’t know who is potentially available for trade in July, but I’ve got to imagine Sonny Gray will be a top candidate to acquire. I think he could fetch a big return. 

It's hard to imagine there would be a better starter available, unless he collapses over the next few weeks......

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Not sure I grasp this logic, you want him to be the starting CF next year but don't want him out there this year because 3B is somehow easier to get comfortable hitting? IMO if they are thinking he could play CF (I don't think they do because I believe they think he is too fragile) why not get him out there a couple of times a week now?

 

He's used to 3B more than the OF. I mean, I'd move him now, but they clearly aren't doing that. 

[chpettit19]

4 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

If Miranda's future is Solano, there really is no reason to keep him on the 40 or have him part of this teams future, because Solano's are a dime a dozen, he career OPS less than Kepler's.

There's a little context that I think should be added here. Solano was really bad in his first 5 shots at the bigs ending in 2016. When he got a shot again in 2019 he was a much different player. I think you need to talk about which Solano you mean when you talk about who he is. Not arguing he's some star, or anything, but he's certainly been worth a 40-man spot since 2019.

[DJL44]

5 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

If Miranda's future is Solano, there really is no reason to keep him on the 40 or have him part of this teams future, because Solano's are a dime a dozen, he career OPS less than Kepler's.

Solano is earning his paycheck. There is a role for a cheap, RH bench bat who can play the field. Once we get past the first arbitration year for Miranda they should probably re-evaluate.

[TwinsDr2021]

1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

There's a little context that I think should be added here. Solano was really bad in his first 5 shots at the bigs ending in 2016. When he got a shot again in 2019 he was a much different player. I think you need to talk about which Solano you mean when you talk about who he is. Not arguing he's some star, or anything, but he's certainly been worth a 40-man spot since 2019.

I am talking about his career as a whole, Since 19 he hasn't played more than 81 games so sure he been a decent major league player in SSS. I am not saying he isn't worth a 40 man spot, what I am saying is you don't roster a guy like him and stick him in the minors, he is either on the MLB roster, or cut. Because guys like him are a dime a doze, same with Garlick types.

[Parfigliano]

49 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

100%. Keep him at third this year (unless you want to get Miranda back up) to get him comfortable, but let him know he's likely the starting CF next year.

If Lewis is going to be CF next year then start playing him there now.  IL Buxton.  Get Miranda up now.  Trade or DFA Kepler just get rid of him.  Get Larnach or Wallner up.  In short get as many of "the future Twins" up playing now.

[GCTF]

I wish Hank Scorpio would swoop in and take over this team, you know, by any means necessary.

[TwinsDr2021]

3 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Solano is earning his paycheck. There is a role for a cheap, RH bench bat who can play the field. Once we get past the first arbitration year for Miranda they should probably re-evaluate.

I didn't say any of this, I said if a 25 former minor league player of the year, top prospect's future is a low role player, quit wasting time with him, let some other team deal with the 40 man roster spot and sign him for cheap when he is a free agent.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Parfigliano said:

If Lewis is going to be CF next year then start playing him there now.  IL Buxton.  Get Miranda up now.  Trade or DFA Kepler just get rid of him.  Get Larnach or Wallner up.  In short get as many of "the future Twins" up playing now.

Sure, I'd like all of that......as this year is NOT a legit WS team. They need to figure out if any of these OFers are legit.

Also, and I know this is silly.....but is Chris Williams a better Solano comp than Miranda?

[howeda7]

Polanco has virtually no trade value, sadly. He's not coming back anytime soon. Post All-Star break at the earliest. 2 weeks of playing without another injury isn't going to get anyone to give you anything of value. Plus no one is picking up his option for next year, so he's a rental, and there's a buyout on the option.

I also doubt we see Thielbar before the All-Star break, so his trade value will also be minimized. Gray is the only real trade chip we have without trading away 2024 contributors.

That's why, as garbage as this team is, they may as well  try to win the Division and at least end the embarrassing play-off streak. I don't advocate being buyers outside of a Fulmer type bullpen addition. But there's really no point in selling either. There's nothing to sell.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

36 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

So 315 feet of running to first base on average, and let's give him another 180 feet of running the bases on average. So 495 feet of running on offense on average.

According to my very rough measuring on Google maps, CF is roughly 275 feet away from the 1st base dugout at Target Field. That makes sense since the fence is 400+ feet away, and might even be a little on the low end with how far back he plays now. So 16 trips of 275 is 4400 feet. That's just jogging to and from his position for 8 innings. Not including him chasing down a single ball, or moving even 5 quick steps in the direction of the ball that's hit, but he doesn't have to field.

He's already at nearly 10x more feet covered by simply taking his position every inning. I think that's a pretty clear difference between DHing and playing CF. You'd also have to add those 495 offensive feet to his total output when he's in CF cuz he's still hitting then.

I don't know your feelings on Buxton in CF, the knee situation, or anything, so I'm not aiming this stuff directly at you, you just provided a good chance to throw some numbers out for the crowd that doesn't think there's a real difference in playing CF and DHing.

We are in alignment, and exactly the direction I was going too.

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

My wish list begins and ends with fire Popkins. If Gallo, Kepler, Buxton and Correa were even at their career averages, the Twins are probably 10 games over .500 right now and in cruise control compared to the rest of the division. I simply do not understand how this man is allowed to be employed.

[Twins_Fan_in_NJ]

Also, count me as someone that is done with Sonny Gray. The guy that barked the most about pitching deep into games has suddenly turned into a pumpkin when he enters the fourth inning. It's maddening to watch him pitch. The longer he's on the mound, the less he trusts his stuff. You can see him battling and nibbling. Trust your stuff and go after the hitter. 

[Woof Bronzer]

45 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I don't know your feelings on Buxton in CF, the knee situation, or anything, so I'm not aiming this stuff directly at you, you just provided a good chance to throw some numbers out for the crowd that doesn't think there's a real difference in playing CF and DHing.

Everyone knows there's a difference.  That's not what the Twins are saying, though.  They are saying he is "physically unable to play CF".  If he's physically unable to play CF he's physically unable to DH too, and should be on the IL.  

[Battle ur tail off]

2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I'd add 60-day IL Buxton, if there's a chance his knees (that's what I assume is ailing him) can be made good enough to play CF again in the future

Seems as if this is said every year about his time LOL.

I would agree with you though if they do sell, go ahead and IL him for the season AGAIN.

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I am talking about his career as a whole, Since 19 he hasn't played more than 81 games so sure he been a decent major league player in SSS. I am not saying he isn't worth a 40 man spot, what I am saying is you don't roster a guy like him and stick him in the minors, he is either on the MLB roster, or cut. Because guys like him are a dime a doze, same with Garlick types.

He played 101 games in 2021, fyi. But from 2019 through today he's played 379 games with a .298/.353/.416/.769 slash line. That's not a dime a dozen player. Garlick's entire career was 2019-2023, but he only played 158 total games with a .225/.277/.438/.715 slash line. They're not the same type of player.

That's why I said there was some context needed. Solano has been an above average major league hitter since 2019. If Miranda ends up with that slash line for any 4 year stretch of his career we should all be quite happy. I understand you're using his whole career, and that's the context you're going with. In that sense, I 100% agree. If he has Solano's early career struggles you don't keep him around. I just wanted to clarify that if Miranda ends up as the type of hitter Solano ended up as we should be happy.

[Woof Bronzer]

50 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

So 315 feet of running to first base on average, and let's give him another 180 feet of running the bases on average. So 495 feet of running on offense on average.

According to my very rough measuring on Google maps, CF is roughly 275 feet away from the 1st base dugout at Target Field. That makes sense since the fence is 400+ feet away, and might even be a little on the low end with how far back he plays now. So 16 trips of 275 is 4400 feet. That's just jogging to and from his position for 8 innings.

Now we're concerned with him trotting out to center?  You may as well factor in every step he takes all day.  Is he in a wheelchair from the time he wakes up til he gets to the ballpark?  If not, how come?  All that walking around is wear and tear, no? 

What you are describing is an injured player.  It's really not that complicated, except that for some reason the Twins are refusing to put an injured player on the injured list.  

[chpettit19]

8 minutes ago, Woof Bronzer said:

Everyone knows there's a difference.  That's not what the Twins are saying, though.  They are saying he is "physically unable to play CF".  If he's physically unable to play CF he's physically unable to DH too, and should be on the IL.  

No, that's what you're saying because you're refusing to accept that there's any difference between playing CF and just DHing. I did the quick math up above. He runs roughly 500 feet on average as a DH each game. Just getting to and from his position in CF is at least 4400 feet of jogging each game. That's before he moves 1 step in attempt to field a ball.

I am physically capable of walking 6 miles a day. My knees are still sore the next day, but I can live my life without any real problems beyond the aches and pains. I am physically unable to run a mile. If I did I literally wouldn't be able to walk the next day. Should I not walk my 6 miles each day because I'm physically unable to run a mile? It's entirely possible to be physically capable of 1 thing, but not another. Playing CF and DHing are different things. It's entirely possible to be able to do one, but not the other.

[chpettit19]

8 minutes ago, Battle ur tail off said:

Seems as if this is said every year about his time LOL.

I would agree with you though if they do sell, go ahead and IL him for the season AGAIN.

It's turned into a really frustrating groundhogs day for sure. I can't imagine the frustration he goes through. I'm not sure I think he's going to make it to the end of his deal without retiring first.

[Parfigliano]

40 minutes ago, howeda7 said:

Polanco has virtually no trade value, sadly. He's not coming back anytime soon. Post All-Star break at the earliest. 2 weeks of playing without another injury isn't going to get anyone to give you anything of value. Plus no one is picking up his option for next year, so he's a rental, and there's a buyout on the option.

I also doubt we see Thielbar before the All-Star break, so his trade value will also be minimized. Gray is the only real trade chip we have without trading away 2024 contributors.

That's why, as garbage as this team is, they may as well  try to win the Division and at least end the embarrassing play-off streak. I don't advocate being buyers outside of a Fulmer type bullpen addition. But there's really no point in selling either. There's nothing to sell.

"Theres nothing to sell."  Sad.  True.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

14 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_in_NJ said:

My wish list begins and ends with fire Popkins. If Gallo, Kepler, Buxton and Correa were even at their career averages, the Twins are probably 10 games over .500 right now and in cruise control compared to the rest of the division. I simply do not understand how this man is allowed to be employed.

Gallo is at career average, Kepler is close, they just aren’t very good.

Buxton is injured, but might also need some improved coaching, and Pop was credited with fixing Correa last year, but is now the cause of Correa’s woes now?

im not saying Popkins doesn’t need to be replaced, but I don’t think he’s as big of an impact as others. I don’t think coaching changes will be effective until the Fo changes.

[chpettit19]

4 minutes ago, Woof Bronzer said:

Now we're concerned with him trotting out to center?  You may as well factor in every step he takes all day.  Is he in a wheelchair from the time he wakes up til he gets to the ballpark?  If not, how come?  All that walking around is wear and tear, no? 

What you are describing is an injured player.  It's really not that complicated, except that for some reason the Twins are refusing to put an injured player on the injured list.  

Fine, take out him having to get to his position. His knee is barking at him with just what he's doing as a DH. Do you accept that adding playing CF on top of that is adding more work in any way, shape, or form? Is your belief that the Twins simply don't want to play him in CF? You think the guys with 6 and 7 figure salaries riding on the team succeeding think he's capable of playing CF, but just won't put him out there?

Or am I describing a hurt player? There's a difference between hurt and injured, no? NFL players go without practicing all week, but then play in a game because they're hurt but not injured. It's a spectrum.

[TwinsDr2021]

18 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

He played 101 games in 2021, fyi. But from 2019 through today he's played 379 games with a .298/.353/.416/.769 slash line. That's not a dime a dozen player. Garlick's entire career was 2019-2023, but he only played 158 total games with a .225/.277/.438/.715 slash line. They're not the same type of player.

That's why I said there was some context needed. Solano has been an above average major league hitter since 2019. If Miranda ends up with that slash line for any 4 year stretch of his career we should all be quite happy. I understand you're using his whole career, and that's the context you're going with. In that sense, I 100% agree. If he has Solano's early career struggles you don't keep him around. I just wanted to clarify that if Miranda ends up as the type of Solano ended up as we should be happy.

Sorry I left out a few words only has played more than 81 games once and yes that was 101 which he ended with a good BA(.280) and OBP (.344) but a woeful .404 SLG and a OPS+ of 103, so above average OBP and below average SLG for basically an average year. He is is so dime a dozen they paid him 2 million to be a bench player (He has played well, not taking that away from him)

If he ends up like Solano, none of will be happy, he will be a below average role player going back and forth to the minors unless finally he is cut and resurfaces as a decent bench role player for another team.

I am not ready to say Miranda is that type of player, I think of him more as Brian Dozier type of player, struggle a bit be good and worthy of a starting spot and then fade in his early 30's.

[TwinsDr2021]

17 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Fine, take out him having to get to his position. His knee is barking at him with just what he's doing as a DH. Do you accept that adding playing CF on top of that is adding more work in any way, shape, or form? Is your belief that the Twins simply don't want to play him in CF? You think the guys with 6 and 7 figure salaries riding on the team succeeding think he's capable of playing CF, but just won't put him out there?

Or am I describing a hurt player? There's a difference between hurt and injured, no? NFL players go without practicing all week, but then play in a game because they're hurt but not injured. It's a spectrum.

IMO, I think he is too injured to play the field but not injured enough he can't get 4/5AB's a game with days off, and I think the FO had a pretty good plan for this (Signing MAT) and were OK with it, thinking at some point he would be able to play the field but in the mean time hit so well that it wouldn't matter. Neither of those things happened and now they are stuck. Buxton wants to continue to hit so he wouldn't be OK with the DL and they probably are not sure how the locker room would react to doing something against Buxton's wants. And I think it is personally starting to frustrate the manager that he has to continue to put a terrible bat in the DH role, when the team could actually be better without him in the lineup. Just my two cents.