Game Thread: Twins (Varland) v Tigers (TBD), 6/18/23 @ 1:10 CT

[mnfireman]

Might be time for Varland to go get right in AAA, he's been hit pretty hard the last couple of times out.

[Aggies7]

What kind of return could we get for Gray at the deadline? Time to start making plans 

[Nine of twelve]

Mr. 20/20 hindsight here: This is a game where I wish there had been a quick hook of the starter. IMHO it's better to lift a starter too soon than too late.

[Squirrel]

Just now, mnfireman said:

Might be time for Varland to go get right in AAA, he's been hit pretty hard the last couple of times out.

Might happen when Maeda is ready?

[IndyTwinsFan]

Hope I'm wrong, but I feel that this game is already all but decided. 

[Squirrel]

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[Squirrel]

Just now, IndyTwinsFan said:

Hope I'm wrong, but I feel that this game is already all but decided. 

What was that gme not too long ago where we scored, what was it, 7 or 8 runs in the 8th? It ain’t over til it’s over.

But …. Blargh

[Parfigliano]

Just now, IndyTwinsFan said:

Hope I'm wrong, but I feel that this game is already all but decided. 

I feel that you are right.

[Kummel]

The 2 games against the Brewers were fun to watch and I was hoping we might get on a roll.  

[Tlaker]

1 minute ago, Nine of twelve said:

Mr. 20/20 hindsight here: This is a game where I wish there had been a quick hook of the starter. IMHO it's better to lift a starter too soon than too late.

I think you are correct…. Rocco just doesn’t seem to make the right decisions in these circumstances 

[mnfireman]

1 minute ago, Aggies7 said:

What kind of return could we get for Gray at the deadline? Time to start making plans 

Honestly, I would rather see Rocco go before Gray.

[tony&rodney]

Can we all just dispense with any idea that Gallo is still a good defender. Clearly the Tigers had zero respect for his skills.

[rwilfong86]

3 minutes ago, IndyTwinsFan said:

Hope I'm wrong, but I feel that this game is already all but decided. 

I think you are correct. 

[rwilfong86]

1 minute ago, mnfireman said:

Honestly, I would rather see Rocco go before Gray.

Many of us would be in agreement

[Squirrel]

1 minute ago, mnfireman said:

Honestly, I would rather see Rocco go before Gray.

Eh … damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t 

[Aggies7]

2 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

Honestly, I would rather see Rocco go before Gray.

After last year’s deadline debacle, the FO needs to redeem themselves. Gray won’t be back regardless 

[Squirrel]

Okay, stop the slide, folks

[TwinsfaninCali]

This team is so frustrating! 

[mnfireman]

Just now, Squirrel said:

Eh … damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t 

I am actually for keeping Rocco, but something seems amiss with this team.

[IndyTwinsFan]

1 minute ago, Squirrel said:

What was that gme not too long ago where we scored, what was it, 7 or 8 runs in the 8th? It ain’t over til it’s over.

But …. Blargh

True enough.  But I can't see this lineup scoring at least 5 more runs in this game, especially given that we've only scored three runs total in the last 19 innings and have only scored in (I think) 4 different innings this entire series.

Just being honest with myself. 

[Squirrel]

Just now, mnfireman said:

I am actually for keeping Rocco, but something seems amiss with this team.

I honestly have no feelings one way or the other on Rocco. I think I’ve made that clear. Managers are always the easy scapegoat. But I agree that there is something not clicking

[Squirrel]

Just now, IndyTwinsFan said:

True enough.  But I can't see this lineup scoring at least 5 more runs in this game, especially given that we've only scored three runs total in the last 19 innings and have only scored in (I think) 4 different innings this entire series.

Just being honest with myself. 

Oh yeah, the likelihood is what it is. But I wouldn’t have expected it if that lineup either

[IndyTwinsFan]

6 minutes ago, mnfireman said:

Honestly, I would rather see Rocco go before Gray.

Agree.  But I don't think it will play out that way. 

[Aggies7]

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

We should just be deadline sellers at this point.  Fire everyone.  Hire a legitimate firm to find you a competent up and coming FO.  This thing needs a major shakeup.  It’s a dead end.  I’ve seen enough.

Not much to sell outside of gray unfortunately. Farmer, maybe?

[Robert Floren]

Twins came back to win after down 8-1 in 7th vs. Guardians in 2000.  I put in Guardians but system changed it.

[Kummel]

There is talent on this team, but so many players are seriously underperforming (e.g., many are striking out at much higher percentage than in other years).   I don't get it -- and I don't see how you can blame that on a hitting coach -- there are guys on this team who know how to hit professionally.  

[Tlaker]

3 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Okay, stop the slide, folks

Serious question…. why is it wrong to voice opinions about Rocco’s decision making? It’s just a discussion about his in game decision making during a game thread…. seems absolutely logical. I am not trying to be difficult but…….?

[rwilfong86]

1 minute ago, Squirrel said:

I honestly have no feelings one way or the other on Rocco. I think I’ve made that clear. Managers are always the easy scapegoat. But I agree that there is something not clicking

We have the example of Toronto and Philly both firing their managers mid-season last year and it turning things around. 

[Squirrel]

Just now, Kummel said:

There is talent on this team, but so many players are seriously underperforming (e.g., many are striking out at much higher percentage than in other years).   I don't get it -- and I don't see how you can blame that on a hitting coach -- there are guys on this team who know how to hit professionally.  

Yep. This is pretty much my stance. Most of it is on the players to execute.

[Squirrel]

Just now, rwilfong86 said:

We have the example of Toronto and Philly both firing their managers mid-season last year and it turning things around. 

Okay, those are two teams … two … does it always happen? I don’t know. Would be something to research. But I still think it’s a scapegoat move.