The Twins Can NOT Trade Royce Lewis!

[JD-TWINS]

2 hours ago, MABB1959 said:

Who trades away a first round draft pick without giving him a chance?  If he is healthy time to get him up here to see what he can bring.  Way too many assumptions

I agree, anybody can be traded but trading Lewis without giving him more of a look than the 12 game view from 2022 doesn’t make sense! He was the 1st pick with huge upside. Gotta let him play in the Show for 2-3 months at a minimum. He certainly has a place either at 3B or in corner OF going forward!

Gallo - Taylor - Kepler are all gone in 2024.

Lewis & Martin……..Larnach - Gordon - Buxton are the probable OF in 2024.

Lewis or just about anyone for a Top 10 arm is always a potential option…….doubt Royce isn’t playing in Minnesota for many years to come if he can produce as expected.

[Byrdman]

Lewis will be at 3rd, correa=SS and Lee will be at 2nd. Miranda will move to DH/1B/3B and Kirilloff will be 1b.  This is going to be the starting infield probably 2024 or 2025. That is what i hope anyway.  Martin/Julien/Polonco will be traded for reliver/SP at deadline/offseason. 

[MABB1959]

2 hours ago, Byrdman said:

Lewis will be at 3rd, correa=SS and Lee will be at 2nd. Miranda will move to DH/1B/3B and Kirilloff will be 1b.  This is going to be the starting infield probably 2024 or 2025. That is what i hope anyway.  Martin/Julien/Polonco will be traded for reliver/SP at deadline/offseason. 

Hoping it is this season so we can see what they have now.  All the speculations are driving me crazy!  If they don't work out this year probably not going to ever IMO.

[MABB1959]

4 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I don't know if this is meant to be a subtle shot at the FO or not, but the Twins traded Chase Petty (first round pick) for Sonny Gray last year.

Sorry, wasn't clear.  Lewis was the #1 draft pick in the first round in 2017.  It isn't often a team gets the first pick in the first round.  After 6 years it is time to figure it out once and for all.  I could be wrong but not sure he has much value.

Chase Petty was #26 and the Twins only have 2 years invested.

 

 

 

[MABB1959]

5 hours ago, Squirrel said:

The assumptions are on both sides here. I don't think anyone is suggesting to just trade him away for little return. If a team is willing to overpay and hand over an ace pitcher, it's something to consider. Anyone can be traded ... for the right price. I don't think anyone is suggesting he should be shopped, but, if someone came knocking, I'd hear them out. I'm not sure Royce falls into the 'untouchable' category, but the offer had better be outstanding and something they couldn't refuse to do it.

Does he have enough value to even get a starting pitcher as of now?  Not being sarcastic just curious.

[Squirrel]

22 hours ago, MABB1959 said:

Does he have enough value to even get a starting pitcher as of now?  Not being sarcastic just curious.

Not sure. Probably not. But if someone were to offer a front-end starter, I’d listen. Right, I know. I’m playing make believe, so it’s not happening, but that’s kind of my point, and I think the point others are making. I wouldn’t shop him, and I don’t think anyone would, but if someone called with an offer I couldn’t refuse? I’d have to consider it … wouldn’t you? That’s really all I meant. For me, no one is untouchable, but with Lewis, as I said, I wouldn’t be shopping him, but if someone called and made an awesome offer, I’d have to consider it.. Especially since the Twins won’t go out and sign such a pitcher. 

[twinlukers]

On 1/20/2023 at 6:58 AM, laloesch said:

i don't know.  He's had two acl surgeries back to back.

To me it’s all about the training and then his mechanics! Yes he has the tools the heart! But his training habits have hurt him I hear! His ACL repairs are what they are repairs but if he continues to the same regiment on training it’s going to happen again! The main question is will the training staff help him with strengthening his muscles without screwing around with his mechanics?? That’s what happened to Rivas!! Body structure will play a big part. I hope the twins see that as his trade value is very low!! Go!! Twins!!! Go!!’

[laloesch]

On 1/26/2023 at 9:23 AM, twinlukers said:

To me it’s all about the training and then his mechanics! Yes he has the tools the heart! But his training habits have hurt him I hear! His ACL repairs are what they are repairs but if he continues to the same regiment on training it’s going to happen again! The main question is will the training staff help him with strengthening his muscles without screwing around with his mechanics?? That’s what happened to Rivas!! Body structure will play a big part. I hope the twins see that as his trade value is very low!! Go!! Twins!!! Go!!’

I hope so as well.  He's a tremendous talent the twins need him desperately.

[GNess]

Important distinction: A team most likely needs a pitcher to pitch like an ace for the duration of the postseason to seriously contend for a world series title.

That increases the subset of possibilities. My take would be the Twins may well have  a few of those types of pitchers currently.

[Cory Engelhardt]

I thought Brock wrote this article a little while back, but wasn't it titled "The twins CAN'T trade ________ player! That was a fantastic article. 

[Mike Sixel]

He's blown out his knee walking out the door, right? As stated, anyone is tradable for the right price. That said, since he is as injury prone as Buxton, his value is too low to do so now. 

[Jocko87]

On 1/20/2023 at 5:01 PM, SoDakTwinsFan said:

Honestly, between Lewis and Brooks Lee we should trade one of them.  We NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED a true #1 ace starting pitcher more than we need BOTH of these two.  Especially after resigning Correa.  Correa is at SS, Miranda and 3rd, Lewis/Lee at Second, Kiriloff at 1st, Buxton in CF, Gallo, and Larnach at the corners.  Trading Lee or Lewis for a controllable ace puts this team with that lineup in contention.  Without a true #1 starting pitcher, we will NEVER be a serious WS contender.  We will never sign a legit #1.  This is the only way to do it for this organization.

Lets see what happens with the #5 pick this year before we get all crazy with our most valuable assets. 

I have a lot of hope for that pick and the starting pitchers that might be available.  It has a chance to be an amazing stroke of luck at just the right time for the organization.  For me, trading for an ace is the last method I'd try.  The cost is high in prospects, short on team control and then hard to sign.  You better be in a World Series position to do that.

The Twins are doing the right thing now in that they are gathering 2s and 3s and trying to turn one into an ace.  The Sandy Alcantara trade is fascinating.  Alcantara wasn't even the headline prospect in that deal, Magneuris Sierra is still a Gwinnett Striper.  There was another guy in the deal named Zac Gallen, who is familiar for some reason as well.  All for two years of Marcel Ozuna, who had a really good year but was hardly a franchise player.  Gallen and Alcantara were both 22 at the time.

It puts the Joe Ryan for Nelson Cruz value in perspective.  There is value to be had without selling from the top of the farm system.  Looking at these two deals, what can Gallo bring if he's raking?  Not as much as Ozuna but maybe more than Cruz?

[Squirrel]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

He's blown out his knee walking out the door, right? As stated, anyone is tradable for the right price. That said, since he is as injury prone as Buxton, his value is too low to do so now. 

He actually slipped on ice, didn’t he? I think that’s an important detail left out of your statement ‘blown out his knee walking out the door’. It gives a little more context than what you are implying. (If I remembered the ice part correctly.) Some do injure themselves in the right circumstances and it doesn’t make them prone to it. I don’t think I’d label him on Buxton levels just yet, but yeah, he has to come back strong.

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

He actually slipped on ice, didn’t he? I think that’s an important detail left out of your statement ‘blown out his knee walking out the door’. It gives a little more context than what you are implying. (If I remembered the ice part correctly.) Some do injure themselves in the right circumstances and it doesn’t make them prone to it. I don’t think I’d label him on Buxton levels just yet, but yeah, he has to come back strong.

Fair....but how many Minnesotans have slipped on the ice, and not blown out their knee (and then done it again the next year)?

I'm worried about his knees.....and saying he's untradeable seems really odd given the continued injury risk (and how many here feel about Buxton or Mauer......). He's untradeable because he's been hurt, and has so little value relative to what he COULD be....

[Jocko87]

Forgot to add Gallen was then traded 1 for 1 for Jazz Chisholm, another odd parallel with the Lopez/Arreaz trade.  Weird.

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, Jocko87 said:

Forgot to add Gallen was then traded 1 for 1 for Jazz Chisholm, another odd parallel with the Lopez/Arreaz trade.  Weird.

Man, when that trade was made I was bummed MN hadn't done something like that. No idea what Miami was thinking at the time.....(they should have gotten way more than that).

[Jocko87]

2 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Man, when that trade was made I was bummed MN hadn't done something like that. No idea what Miami was thinking at the time.....(they should have gotten way more than that).

I love going back down these rabbit holes.  I had forgotten Gallen was in the Sandy trade.  I have kinda got in the habit of scrolling down to the transactions every time I go to baseball reference just for the memories. 

Also quite surprising how many pitching prospects get moved around.  Just gotta hit on 1 1/2 of them and we are set for 4 years.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

29 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

He actually slipped on ice, didn’t he? I think that’s an important detail left out of your statement ‘blown out his knee walking out the door’. It gives a little more context than what you are implying. (If I remembered the ice part correctly.) Some do injure themselves in the right circumstances and it doesn’t make them prone to it. I don’t think I’d label him on Buxton levels just yet, but yeah, he has to come back strong.

He slipped on the ice in Texas

even more context…

[Mike Sixel]

16 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

He slipped on the ice in Texas

even more context…

So it could have been regular baseball training? I hadn't recalled that....

[Squirrel]

44 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Fair....but how many Minnesotans have slipped on the ice, and not blown out their knee (and then done it again the next year)?

I'm worried about his knees.....and saying he's untradeable seems really odd given the continued injury risk (and how many here feel about Buxton or Mauer......). He's untradeable because he's been hurt, and has so little value relative to what he COULD be....

Minnesotans are also a little more used to icy conditions and how to deal with it. But that said, after a 2nd acl tear, it concerns me, too, especially continuing as a SS. But, I want to see him come back strong and revisit just where his value is. I think it’s too soon to say he’s Buxton levels of injury prone

[Schmoeman5]

On 1/20/2023 at 6:33 AM, Doctor Gast said:

1st of all his trade value is super low. In the too short of time, Lewis showed us a glimpse of his potential in offense, defense & base running skills; real MVP material. But besides his impressive tangible qualities, his intangibles is what sets him apart. His character which is immense, the ability to go thru adversity w/ a smile; his determination, when he has a goal he never gives up; his flexibility, which makes him very easy to coach & to get along with everybody; he has great baseball sense (something that the scouts ranked very high about Lewis); Lewis is a leader both on the field & in the clubhouse.

MVP material? I saw indications of a solid ballplayer. I didn't see flashes of oh lets just say a Mike Trout. I just hope he can recover and contribute  to help the Twins in a big way. MVP for the Twins, maybe. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

17 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

So it could have been regular baseball training? I hadn't recalled that....

The way I read it was “he had some knee discomfort during the season, slipped on the ice during mega-storm Uri, then showed up to camp when it was diagnosed”.

his first tear didn’t have a smoking gun.

im with you on the concern after the second tear. It should be a slow and concerted effort to return to baseball activities to make sure it heals well.

[laloesch]

On 1/25/2023 at 9:06 AM, MABB1959 said:

Who trades away a first round draft pick without giving him a chance?  If he is healthy time to get him up here to see what he can bring.  Way too many assumptions

it's been done plenty of times.  lol.

[LonelyseatinMOA]

On 1/21/2023 at 2:41 AM, Fatbat said:

Lewis will probs pencil in at 3rd and move Miranda to 1st. Rotate AK at 1st,LF and DH? When can we dump Gallo…. Lol. Seriously. 

I think on his return he will take over for solano (on some type of reduced role for a while) provided everyone is healthy, but they wont be so I dont think we have to worry about where he's gonna play when he returns