Mets Got A Great Deal On Bassit

[Doctor Gast]

BTV values prospects,  J T Ginn (10.3) & Adam Oller (.7)  Total 11 for Bassit Total (17) . The Twins could have done better. Hope the A's are motivated to deal Montas to the Twins likewise.

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

Hope the A's are motivated to deal Montas to the Twins likewise.

Hope. There haven't even been any indications that the Twins are looking at Montas or other decent pitchers. However, we hope something does happen: Montas, Manaea, Mahle, Castillo, or another decent pitcher. Buxton signed, so hope.

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

Posted this in another thread, but yeah, I would have been fine with the Twins doing an equivalent of this trade.

[LewFordLives]

One year of Bassit makes no sense for the Twins. They are not in position to go deep in the playoffs, so why waste a top 5 prospect.

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

51 minutes ago, LewFordLives said:

One year of Bassit makes no sense for the Twins. They are not in position to go deep in the playoffs, so why waste a top 5 prospect.

The fact that he's only under control for 1 year means that the trade very likely wouldn't have cost a top 5 prospect.

[Major League Ready]

6 minutes ago, whosafraidofluigirussolo said:

The fact that he's only under control for 1 year means that the trade very likely wouldn't have cost a top 5 prospect.

The rough equivalent is something like Winder and Strotman.  Trading those kinds of prospects for 1 year of Bassitt in a year the team has a very meager chance to have a legit contender would be borderline negligent. 

[howeda7]

It's far more irritating that they won't top 3/$36 Kikuchi or the $ for Rodan when they're stilling at an $80 million payroll. 

[USAFChief]

12 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

The rough equivalent is something like Winder and Strotman.  Trading those kinds of prospects for 1 year of Bassitt in a year the team has a very meager chance to have a legit contender would be borderline negligent. 

No. That's not a "rough equivalent."

Ginn has some prospect shine, sure, but Oller isn't a prospect at all. 27 year old minor league journeyman, with zero chance of ever having any kind of MLB impact.

The Mets got Bassitt for their 5th rated prospect. 

[Major League Ready]

7 hours ago, USAFChief said:

No. That's not a "rough equivalent."

Ginn has some prospect shine, sure, but Oller isn't a prospect at all. 27 year old minor league journeyman, with zero chance of ever having any kind of MLB impact.

The Mets got Bassitt for their 5th rated prospect. 

You might be right about Oller but Strotman is 25 1/2 as well.  Oller aside, a team with little chance of being a legit contender trading a prospect with a good chance of giving you 6 years as a really solid SP for 1 year of Bassit would be incompetence on the part of the front office.  That's how Oakland got Bassitt to begin with.  That's why they have had the most 90 win seasons in the past 20 years of any team with below average revenue.  Following the exact opposite strategy as Oakland is not a good idea,

[Brock Beauchamp]

9 hours ago, USAFChief said:

No. That's not a "rough equivalent."

Ginn has some prospect shine, sure, but Oller isn't a prospect at all. 27 year old minor league journeyman, with zero chance of ever having any kind of MLB impact.

The Mets got Bassitt for their 5th rated prospect. 

And there's no reason the Twins can't extend Bassitt.

Imagine this: the Twins get Martin and SWR for Berrios. They then trade Winder and Strotman for Bassitt and extend him for three years.

Hard not to see that as a win overall for the franchise and there's zero reason it couldn't have happened.

I'm pretty effing disenchanted with this front office right now.

[LA Vikes Fan]

I agree the trading for Bassitt and then extending him would have been a good move, something I’ve advocated for on this board previously. Still, I do think we need to give the FO a little more time on getting SP for this year. It’s starting to look to me more and more like the plan is another veteran placeholder or two, like Cueto and/or Pineda, and use this year to shuffle through the 5 to 7 potential MLB SP guys we have in the minors plus Dobnak to see if they can find a couple more starters for next year or the year after. Bassitt’s Contract doesn’t work the same way and he’s good enough that it’s going to be hard for the Twins to extend him without paying top dollar for a guy who may be on the decline when the team is actually ready to contend.

I’m beginning to think that’s that’s the strategy here, use this year to shuffle through everyone you have in the hopes of creating a contender in 2023 or 2024. The trade of Garver for IKF fits that strategy; it gives Jeffers a chance to play 75% of the time at catcher and gives you two years of a quality shortstop as you try to develop one of your own in return for older catcher who won’t be part of your next contending team due to age. Also, if you can’t develop a shortstop IKF can be that guy for the next five years assuming he can be resigned for a reasonable price which seems likely. He can then be part of your next contending team.  Not a strategy that particularly appeals to me because I think that means this team isn’t going to be very good in 2022 and may remain mediocre in 2023. Still, it is a strategy that makes some intellectual sense.

[Heiny]

The Twins MO is to wait till anybody that is worth anything is gone and then pick through what's left.  Ergo, Happ, Shoemaker, Bailey.   Looks like the pattern may be re-developing.

[USAFChief]

5 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

You might be right about Oller but Strotman is 25 1/2 as well.  Oller aside, a team with little chance of being a legit contender trading a prospect with a good chance of giving you 6 years as a really solid SP for 1 year of Bassit would be incompetence on the part of the front office.  That's how Oakland got Bassitt to begin with.  That's why they have had the most 90 win seasons in the past 20 years of any team with below average revenue.  Following the exact opposite strategy as Oakland is not a good idea,

To start with, there's not a person in the minor leagues today with "a good chance of giving you 6 years as a really solid starting pitcher."

 

Also, for the record, Winder is 25 1/2 as well.

 

[Brandon]

6 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

You might be right about Oller but Strotman is 25 1/2 as well.  Oller aside, a team with little chance of being a legit contender trading a prospect with a good chance of giving you 6 years as a really solid SP for 1 year of Bassit would be incompetence on the part of the front office.  That's how Oakland got Bassitt to begin with.  That's why they have had the most 90 win seasons in the past 20 years of any team with below average revenue.  Following the exact opposite strategy as Oakland is not a good idea,

After the Gray trade do you still feel this way?   I think a Bassit trade would require we try to extend him.  A 4 year 60 million would do that and give us a Berrios quality pitcher at fewer years and fewer dollars per year.

[tony&rodney]

I have accepted/ moved on from Bassitt, but the addition of Gray is a positive. Bassitt is just a steady pitcher and the huge number of inexperienced pitchers on our 40 person roster plus those who need to added next season make it possible to engineer a trade for someone like CB. Additionally, I'm looking for at bats for Jose Miranda this year and there is some duplication in corner players that might hold value for some teams (Arraez, Larnach, Rooker, ...) I guess everything is in flux right now.

[TopGunn#22]

This is what I HOPE the plan is.  I've liked the two moves they've recently made.  But I also want a good amount of AB's for Miranda this year.  Some of our corner IF/OF guys like Arraez, Larnach, Rooker, along with some other young pitching prospects (either guys we've always had or one of the newer guys just acquired) in a package for Montas, Sixto Sanchez, Max Meyer etc...would be a trade I'd be in favor of.  Arraez (based on BTV) is already worth Manaea, Meyer and probably Sanchez one for one (or at least he's VERY close).  ASSUMING a Pineda signing (I know) adding a SP like Montas, Sanchez, Meyer or even Manaea would give the Twins their best SP rotation since 2019 (which seems as far away as 1969/1970).  The lineup has potential.  Fix the SP.  

[Major League Ready]

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

After the Gray trade do you still feel this way?   I think a Bassit trade would require we try to extend him.  A 4 year 60 million would do that and give us a Berrios quality pitcher at fewer years and fewer dollars per year.

Actually, I found my head shaking in agreement when Mike said he did not understand this move because up until now the actions looked focused on the future.  This move looks focused on the present.  It looks to me like an attempt to put a pretender on the field.  By that I mean a team that is in contention but not a real contender.  This is just fine if it does not impede the process of retooling.  

At least it's two years.  I guess I understand it from a business perspective.  Keep a viable product out there today and work all of these prospects in as you go.  If things go really well, they might actually put a contender on the field in 2023.  It's a relatively low risk / profitable approach.