Front Page: Twins and 2020 Arbitration

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

Maybe they are trying to work out a deal with him and that’s the hold up, and not $375,000.

My thinking as well. Makes me very optimistic that they won't go to the arb hearing and that a 4 or 5 year extension is doable. 

[Thrylos]

 

Come on FO. Give Berrios a fair long term contract. Show him the money.

They did.  He wants to go to arbitration for $300K difference and did not agree to a fair extension. 

They should show him the door while he still has some value.  It is clear that Berrios matters more to Berrios than the Twins matter to him.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

They did. He wants to go to arbitration for $300K difference and did not agree to a fair extension.

 

They should show him the door while he still has some value. It is clear that Berrios matters more to Berrios than the Twins matter to him.

With three years of control left, what do you suppose Berrios could fetch in return in a trade?

[Thrylos]

 

With three years of control left, what do you suppose Berrios could fetch in return in a trade?

Sale plus $35M.  And the Twins will be better for it, and probably the Red Sox as well...

[mikelink45]

 

Per Heyman, the Twins did not reach a deal with Jose Berrios. 

This is disappointing because I did not want a settlement this year, I wanted a settlement for the next five years.

 

[mikelink45]

 

 

Assuming we get actual dollar values, I'll update those in the article as well. 

I am dissappointed because the two that did not settle are the two I am most concerned about

[mikelink45]

 

They did.  He wants to go to arbitration for $300K difference and did not agree to a fair extension. 

They should show him the door while he still has some value.  It is clear that Berrios matters more to Berrios than the Twins matter to him.

No - we have established this off season that we cannot get pitchers to come to us - so lets keep the pitchers we have.

 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Sale plus $35M. And the Twins will be better for it, and probably the Red Sox as well...

So, a pitcher showing his age, and a pile of cash?

[Seth Stohs]

 

This is disappointing because I did not want a settlement this year, I wanted a settlement for the next five years.

 

Definitely still can happen. 

[Squirrel]

I am dissappointed because the two that did not settle are the two I am most concerned about

Did you read this thread before reading the news on Sano?

 

I’m hoping they are going to work out a deal with Berrios, too.

[Thrylos]

 

So, a pitcher showing his age, and a pile of cash?

Um. Sale is 30.  And he is an ace.  He is a year older than Gerrit Cole.

[Seth Stohs]

Contract details now in the individual player sections. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Twins go to Arb w/ Berrios over $375k. Fascinating....

[Danchat]

Alright, that's more like it, only one player going to arbitration court. I can't imagine this could get drawn out very long over just a $375K difference... right?

[bird]

 

Not good to have this many cases go to arbitration. To me that means the Twins lowballed every single one of them. When will they learn. 

 

I'm guessing our best guys have had enough of their bosses already. Don't expect it to be easy to sign the rest of the core of this team to long term deals. 

 

Will you be willing to acknowledge that your extremely cynical claim was laughably wrong?

 

Your guess about guys having had enough of their bosses? I'm sorry, but that's delusional and maybe a sad wishfulness on your part. Unreal.

 

Do you have any idea, any idea at all, as to the percentage of arb eligible players who have reached an acceptable settlement each year? This is a rhetorical question.

[Thrylos]

 

Twins go to Arb w/ Berrios over $375k. Fascinating....

Switch that around:  Berrios is willing to go to arbitration for $375K after he did not accept extension offers the last 2 offseasons. 

 

This is closer to the truth.

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

Switch that around:  Berrios is willing to go to arbitration for $375K after he did not accept extension offers the last 2 offseasons. 

 

This is closer to the truth.

Why is it that the player is somehow bad that he wants to get optimal value for his services rendered?

[bird]

 

The Berrios news (and the threat of him becoming a free agent at first opportunity) just makes this failure of an offseason that much worse.

 

The window may be short.

 

Not necessarily.

[bird]

 

They did.  He wants to go to arbitration for $300K difference and did not agree to a fair extension. 

They should show him the door while he still has some value.  It is clear that Berrios matters more to Berrios than the Twins matter to him.

 

 

While I see how you could arrive at your conclusion, it's very possible that Berrios and his agent are simply holding out for more.

[Squirrel]

Switch that around:  Berrios is willing to go to arbitration for $375K after he did not accept extension offers the last 2 offseasons. 

 

This is closer to the truth.

It always takes two in these case ... I don’t think it’s a ‘pick a side’, finger pointing issue. This is also just how it’s done. And given what pitchers have gotten this year, I don’t blame him for wanting to optimize what he will earn. And there is still time. They could come to an agreement before they actually get to arbitration.

[bird]

 

No - we have established this off season that we cannot get pitchers to come to us - so lets keep the pitchers we have.

 

 

Nothing of the sort was established. 

[Thrylos]

 

While I see how you could arrive at your conclusion, it's very possible that Berrios and his agent are simply holding out for more.

Sure.  But some of us are Twins' fans and kinda cringe on former first round draft pick millionaires who don't appreciate what the Twins did for them and are less of Twins' fans than we are

 

[D.C Twins]

 

Twins are fighting Berrios over $375,000. Seems like a petty line to draw if you hope to build good faith with the player for a potential extension. 

This....uh...This.....and what a minute....THIS!!!!!!

[Thrylos]

 

 

It always takes two in these case ... I don’t think it’s a ‘pick a side’, finger pointing issue. This is also just how it’s done. And given what pitchers have gotten this year, I don’t blame him for wanting to optimize what he will earn. And there is still time. They could come to an agreement before they actually get to arbitration.

The difference is 9%.  After the Twins drafted him way higher than he was rated and made him an 18 year old millionaire.  And the truth of the matter is that he has been the same pitcher for 3 seasons without improving.  And he is willing to go to arbitration for that 9%?

 

The hey with him...

[AZTwin]

The difference is 9%. After the Twins drafted him way higher than he was rated and made him an 18 year old millionaire. And the truth of the matter is that he has been the same pitcher for 3 seasons without improving. And he is willing to go to arbitration for that 9%?

 

The hey with him...

The draft has nothing to do with it. If he blew out his elbow, the team wouldn’t pay him for a full season because “he pitched very well and was undervalued for years”. Reliable sites put his value at $5.4M. He is very likely to win his arbitration case

[Thrylos]

 

The draft has nothing to do with it. If he blew out his elbow, the team wouldn’t pay him for a full season because “he pitched very well and was undervalued for years”. Reliable sites put his value at $5.4M. He is very likely to win his arbitration case

It is the principle... 

[sampleSizeOfOne]

It is the principle...

And future arbitration numbers are based on this year, compounding the difference, as i understand it.

[AZTwin]

It is the principle...

Would the twins have the same principle? Pay him what he’s worth. The last few years we got more value out of him than we paid (even including the draft). Like I said, Berrios will win this case quite easily

[Mr. Brooks]

The difference is 9%. After the Twins drafted him way higher than he was rated and made him an 18 year old millionaire. And the truth of the matter is that he has been the same pitcher for 3 seasons without improving. And he is willing to go to arbitration for that 9%?

 

The hey with him...

fWAR:

'17: 2.7

'18: 3.1

'19: 4.4

 

bWAR:

'17: 1.9

'18: 3.9

'19: 3.3

 

K/BB:

'17: 2.9

'18: 3.3

'19: 3.8

 

ERA-:

'17: 88

'18: 89

'19: 79

 

FIP-:

'17: 87

'18: 92

'19: 84

 

xFIP-:

'17: 103

'18: 92

'19: 94

 

Looks like pretty clear improvement to me.

[jorgenswest]

Pay up and buy two years of free agency from Berrios. It doesn’t need to be team friendly. There is a contract the will win this deal and the Twins have the resources to make it happen.