Grienke to Astros

[Vanimal46]

May have to embrace my new home state and be an Astros fan. Their rotation is unbeatable and they're not AFRAID to make impact trades every year.

 

[TFRazor]

Astros just won the world series. They also picked up biagini and sanchez from the blue jays

[SF Twins Fan]

Yup, going to be difficult to beat them moving forward...

[MNT1996]

The World Series winners are going to be teams that make moves like these and not depend on prospects panning out. I wish the Twins could trade their top 10 prospects right now for the Astros front office. 

[Squirrel]

 

May have to embrace my new home state and be an Astros fan. Their rotation is unbeatable and they're not AFRAID to make impact trades every year.

Well, we'll miss you around these parts! Enjoy Astros Daily!

[notoriousgod71]

Their years of futility are made acceptable by their years of going all in.

 

The Twins have similar years of futility and bring in Sam Dyson and Sergio Romo.

 

 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I wonder what the Yankees bid on Greinke was. The Twins could mash the Yankees lefty-dominated rotation and surprising as it is to say, but the Yankees could maybe use Greinke in a possible matchup against the Twins

[Brandon]

 

May have to embrace my new home state and be an Astros fan. Their rotation is unbeatable and they're not AFRAID to make impact trades every year.

 

Aaron Sanchez is a project if I remember correctly.  They still have to fix him.  

[Brandon]

 

Their years of futility are made acceptable by their years of going all in.

 

The Twins have similar years of futility and bring in Sam Dyson and Sergio Romo.

 

Problem is there were not that many things the Twins could have done.  They got the best reliever and a solid 2nd reliever that were traded at the deadline this year.  and this is their biggest weakness. 

 

In the rotation...Stroman was dealt to the Mets in a quick fashion.  That's the only trade that we didn't make happen that I wonder about.  Grenke said no and Syndergaard was too expensive.  all the top tier relievers stayed put.

 

on offense no moves were required.

 

I wonder if it would have been worth it to get Wade Davis from Colorado?  They would need to throw in some cash but.....

[Mr. Brooks]

I wonder what the Yankees bid on Greinke was. The Twins could mash the Yankees lefty-dominated rotation and surprising as it is to say, but the Yankees could maybe use Greinke in a possible matchup against the Twins

Do the Yankees have enough space under the luxury tax threshold to take on that contract?

 

I know they could always change their mind, but I think they've been pretty adamant about staying under the harshest threshold.

[nicksaviking]

Well, we'll miss you around these parts! Enjoy Astros Daily!

I think Verlander and Greinke are about 47-years-old; he’ll be back before you know it.

[twinsfanstreif]

Astros just won the world series. They also picked up biagini and sanchez from the blue jays

Man, you guys are real downers. Just because they look scary doesn't mean they'll win, crazy things happen in the post season. The 2004 Lakers were probably the best roster on paper of all time, didn't win. Remember the 2001 Mariners? 116 wins, didn't win a championship. Everyone needs to calm down. The Astros are really good but they're not unbeatable and in October it's a whole new game. Let's just wait and see, we still have 2 months to go

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

Do the Yankees have enough space under the luxury tax threshold to take on that contract?

I know they could always change their mind, but I think they've been pretty adamant about staying under the harshest threshold.

True enough. I'm not privy to their position on that.

[GACbaseball]

To get Greinke (assuming he would have waived his no-trade clause which he didn't), we would have had to give up the equivalent of Graterol, Balazovic, Larnach, and Jose Miranda.

 

Does giving up that much mean that we'd have a good (more than 50% chance) of winning the World Series?

[Mr. Brooks]

To get Greinke (assuming he would have waived his no-trade clause which he didn't), we would have had to give up the equivalent of Graterol, Balazovic, Larnach, and Jose Miranda.

 

Does giving up that much mean that we'd have a good (more than 50% chance) of winning the World Series?

No. That is way more than Houston gave up, waaaaay more.

[GACbaseball]

 

No. That is way more than Houston gave up, waaaaay more.

 

It was Houston's #3, #4, #5, and #22 prospects, which are fairly close to what was listed above.

 

If you want to substitute Duran for Graterol, then it may be closer. But that is still giving up a ton for a 35 year old

[Tomj14]

 

To get Greinke (assuming he would have waived his no-trade clause which he didn't), we would have had to give up the equivalent of Graterol, Balazovic, Larnach, and Jose Miranda.

 

Does giving up that much mean that we'd have a good (more than 50% chance) of winning the World Series?

I don't think Greinke would have came here, but if he would have I would have easily made that trade.

 

[USAFChief]

You have to admire an organization that has been able to--in a day and age when top flight pitching is scarcer and more valuable than extra paid vacation days--trade for Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole, and Zack Greinke (and perhaps the majors best reliever, a dude named Pressly) in the space of a few years. 

 

And have them all on the same team. 

 

That's some pretty fancy wheelin' and dealin', you have to admit. 

 

Big boy baseball. 

 

 

[Mike Sixel]

Gotta admire Houston. They are doing great work.

[Vanimal46]

You have to admire an organization that has been able to--in a day and age when top flight pitching is scarcer and more valuable than extra paid vacation days--trade for Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole, and Zack Greinke (and perhaps the majors best reliever, a dude named Pressly) in the space of a few years.

 

And have them all on the same team.

 

That's some pretty fancy wheelin' and dealin', you have to admit.

 

Big boy baseball.

What's more amazing is not a single "top prospect" has worked out for the other team.

[Mr. Brooks]

It was Houston's #3, #4, #5, and #22 prospects, which are fairly close to what was listed above.

 

If you want to substitute Duran for Graterol, then it may be closer. But that is still giving up a ton for a 35 year old

Only one of their prospects was ranked in the top 100, and he was exactly #100.

 

They slotted in at 4,12,13 and unranked in the Diamondbacks system. And one of them is out for the year with Tommy John.

 

So, if that is really where they ranked in Houston's system, then Houston's system was awful.

[Mr. Brooks]

I'd say a more comparable package would be:

Larnach

Enlow

Gonsalves

Cave

[biggentleben]

Greinke was never waiving anything for the Yankees. Diamondbacks talked with him Wednesday morning and assured him that they would not move him to a team that he would have to give permission to be traded to. That would have knocked out the Twins as well. The Astros and Braves were the two notable late negotiators as they were both on his no-trade, but the Braves dropped off when the Astros were willing to deal with the D-backs eating less than $30M of the deferred money on the deal.

 

Those who want to put a Twins comp on this...

 

Beer = Rooker

Bukauskas/Martin = Duran and Gonalves OR Enlow and Thorpe

Rojas = Blankenhorn or Jose Miranda

 

The Astros system has seen a handful of arms graduate this year (Martin would have as well if not for TJS), so their depth was already significantly down, but now they're essentially two top-10/15 guys and then no one else in the top 150/200 of prospects.

[Otto von Ballpark]

the Braves dropped off when the Astros were willing to deal with the D-backs eating less than $30M of the deferred money on the deal.

What's your take on the Braves dropping out? Seems like they could have absorbed the money (especially if they didn't take Melancon), and then swapped Greinke into the rotation for Gausman.

[biggentleben]

 

What's your take on the Braves dropping out? Seems like they could have absorbed the money (especially if they didn't take Melancon), and then swapped Greinke into the rotation for Gausman.

 

The stated goal a few times in the press from this front office has been to clear the books and identify the future core of the franchise with an eye to going in heavy into FA in 2019-2020 once the first wave of prospects has had a chance to hit and make their impact. That has happened, and the notable need is a starter.

 

This deal almost certainly means Gerrit Cole hits the market as the Braves were in on him, but their focus was on pulling off both Cole and McCutchen in the same deal. With that available money that's not going to Greinke, the team should be able to pursue Cole, which I'd prefer.

 

What I was surprised by is the cost. Much like the Twins could have taken on the prospect cost quite easily without hurting the overall system depth, the Braves could have absorbed the Greinke deal, and while Kiley McDaniel rated the team's impending 40-man issues as "not an issue" for the trade deadline, it would not surprise me one bit to see the Braves make some moves early in the 2019-2020 offseason using guys that will need to be protected this upcoming offseason, as the list is beginning to get long, and the Braves have a young team that they won't likely create much turnover year-to-year.

 

That all said, the only reliever acquired at the deadline that won't be back is the guy who might be the easiest one to bring back this offseason before he actually hits the FA market if he shows well with the Braves through the end of the year (Chris Martin). This wasn't a load-up-for-2019 deadline in Atlanta, and that does show fans that this isn't going to be a one-time shot as an organization, which should excite the fan base...then again, many remember the attendance at the end of the Braves division title streak, so who knows how it will translate.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

With that available money that's not going to Greinke, the team should be able to pursue Cole, which I'd prefer.

That's fair.

 

I guess the Braves do have a solid lead in the division already this year, and they seem to have 4 decent starters at the moment -- but how many innings will Fried be able to go? His pro high is 120, and he's already at 115 with 10 more rotation turns left in the regular season, then the postseason.

 

Personally I'd prefer Greinke, on anything close to the Astros deal, with an eye toward using Fried out of the pen this postseason (that could have saved you from Melancon's deal too). There's going to be some competition for Cole this winter, the contract could be quite long/large, and even if you do land him, that doesn't help for 2019.