Time for Gibson to go/Gibson optioned to AAA

[Darius]

Hughes has already lasted longer than Gibson did yesterday. It's Hughes that isn't going anywhere. He's under contract for two more years. I doubt they pay him $13 mil to be the mop up man.

Neither is going anywhere. That's not really point I'm making. My point is: Gibson isn't holding this team back from being a contender. There are bigger problems.

 

Hughes has already lasted longer? Are you watching this game? Hughes is being pounded all over the yard, and is getting extremely lucky. Not to mention two outstanding defensive plays.

[Darius]

...and then Hughes allows a double steal by not paying attention. By all means, lets make him our #2 for the next half-decade!

[yarnivek1972]

...and then Hughes allows a double steal by not paying attention. By all means, lets make him our #2 for the next half-decade!

And then he limited the damage and kept the game in reach. Remind you of Gibson? Didn't think so. Gibson has not been good for a year and a half. At least Hughes has the excuse of missing almost all of last year. I think Hughes can still be a serviceable innings eater with an ERA in the upper 4 range. Gibson is more like 5.25 or higher and he'll never pitch deep into games because he nibbles.

[DaveW]

Hughes > Gibson

 

It's not really even close.

 

Hughes isn't perfect, but unlike Gibson he doesn't melt down every time something goes wrong. Say what you want, but giving up 2 runs in 6 innings is solid and Hughes for the most part has kept us in games. Solid #4/5 guy imo.

[Jham]

I remember when we clamored for Gibson the same way we clamor for Berrios.  Almost with as much fervor as we now call for his dismissal.  I've seen enough of Dan San.  I'm not quite ready to give up on Gibby.  I don't think we have much for better options.  I don't think our minor league pitchers are particularly likely to be top of the rotation guys in their primes, let alone now, before they are ready.  

 

Gibson needs to focus on just throwing strikes.  It's ridiculous how many of his struggles he brings on himself.

[DaveW]

Massive difference between Gibson's upside and Berrios upside.

[USAFChief]

I'll take Hughes over Gibson every day, personally. Hughes knows where the pitch is going, and knows how to manage a game.

[kab21]

Gibson is certainly going to get more starts than we can comprehend but plan B doesn't really exist. Berrios is expected up in place of Mejia and to replace Gibson requires calling Mejia back up right away. If it isn't Mejia then it would be the likes of Tepesch that replaces Gibson and I am not sure that makes the team better.

[glunn]

Hughes had a quality start tonight against the Rangers, giving up 2 runs in 6 innings, and the Twins won the game. If anyone has a grandmother who can pitch that well then the Twins should sign her as AAA backup.

 

[DaveW]

 

Gibson is certainly going to get more starts than we can comprehend but plan B doesn't really exist. Berrios is expected up in place of Mejia and to replace Gibson requires calling Mejia back up right away. If it isn't Mejia then it would be the likes of Tepesch that replaces Gibson and I am not sure that makes the team better.

Could have had Meyer if we didn't give him away for no reason.
Duffey could take his starts.
Mejia should take his starts.
Any number of pitchers we could have traded Dozier for could have taken his starts.

Gibson just needs to go. He's worse than Blackburn or Pelfrey at this point, much worse.

[kab21]

 

Could have had Meyer if we didn't give him away for no reason.
Duffey could take his starts.
Mejia should take his starts.
Any number of pitchers we could have traded Dozier for could have taken his starts.

Gibson just needs to go. He's worse than Blackburn or Pelfrey at this point, much worse.

So you have named a bunch of guys not the in the org, a rookie that might benefit from a month in the minors and a guy that might not have a future in the rotation but profiles as a pretty good RP? So basically there is Mejia and then nobody is what you are saying.

[DaveW]

 

So you have named a bunch of guys not the in the org, a rookie that might benefit from a month in the minors and a guy that might not have a future in the rotation but profiles as a pretty good RP? So basically there is Mejia and then nobody is what you are saying.

Duffey might not have a future in the rotation, but he sure as hell has a better chance then Gibson at this point! People want to bring up Gibsons one "not terrible year" where he had a 3.84 ERA and 6.7 k/9 as a reason to keep him in the rotation, but completely ignore Duffey's 2015 where he had a 3.10 ERA and 8.2 k/9 and say he doesn't deserve another shot in the rotation?

Weird!!

People still think Gibson can "figure it out" but Duffey can't be a starter, even though Duffey is almost 4 years younger?

Interesting!
 

For as bad as Duffey's results were last year (and they were bad!) it should be noted he had an xFIP of 3.89, which was significantly better than Gibsons 4.50.

WHOA!


Why doesn't Duffey deserve another crack at the rotation again? I am confused.

4 years younger.

More success at the major league level

Better Pitches.

Under team control cheaper/longer.

If the Twins had 5 solid starters and were a true contender I would understand the desire to keep Duffey in the pen all year...but come on, on no planet should Duffey be stuck in the pen when you have Kyle Gibson giving up a run an inning every start!


FREE DUFFEY!

[Jham]

 

Massive difference between Gibson's upside and Berrios upside.

BBA has Berrios topping out at #28 overall in 2015, Gibson topped out at #34 in 2010.  He was still 68 after his TJ.  I wouldn't say that there was a huge gulf in upside there.  Neither was projected as an ace.  Both struggled early.  Berrios is just 1 guy.  Gibson doesn't have anything to do with the future.  Berrios is 50% to be the next Gibson.  Wheeler, Tepesch aren't going to be part of the future.  Stewart is a mess.  Jay and Duffy are relievers.  Gonsalves has shoulder issues, isn't ready, and has limited upside, and Romero isn't ready.  Not sure what the fuss is about.  Gibson needs to stop picking and pitch better.  If not, we move on, but that has nothing to do with the future.

[beckmt]

This year is more about finding out what the Twins have and what they need.  I have always felt that the new FO is going to have to convince Pohlad to dig into the wallet and sign an ace or close to an ace.  Otherwise as noted above, you will be wasting the best years of a talented group of youngsters.  Not all may work out, but probably enough of them will to make this an interesting team, just hoping interesting is not in the vein of the late 1970's Twins which had plenty of hitting and little pitching.

[beckmt]

Above being said, we need to try other options,  Option Gibson is you can, but cut your loses now.  If he cannot be optioned, see if you can get a tottery ticket for him.  He is useless here at this time.

[Linus]

Just an FYI tepesch is younger than Gibson

..

[Doomtints]

There isn't much point in sending Gibson to the minors.Give him more time, move him to the pen, or release him. Sending him to the minors is a dead end and a waste of time.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Massive difference between Gibson's upside and Berrios upside.

 

There is now, there wasn't 5 years ago. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

This year is more about finding out what the Twins have and what they need.  I have always felt that the new FO is going to have to convince Pohlad to dig into the wallet and sign an ace or close to an ace.  Otherwise as noted above, you will be wasting the best years of a talented group of youngsters.  Not all may work out, but probably enough of them will to make this an interesting team, just hoping interesting is not in the vein of the late 1970's Twins which had plenty of hitting and little pitching.

 

Can't do that if no one who might be part of the future ever comes up from the minors.....

[drjim]

There was an interesting exchange about Kyle Gibson on The Ride With Reusse yesterday.

 

Big takeaway is the frustration that the coaching staff and other officials have with his stubbornness. Basically he won't listen to any coaching and insists on continuing his own way (basically nibbling over attacking in the zone). Don't know if it came out in the postgame, but Molitor was as miffed as he has ever been.

 

I generally have the opinion that he isn't going anywhere because of the lack of options behind him, but maybe they will throw him in the pen in a last ditch effort to shake him up.

[Vanimal46]

 

There was an interesting exchange about Kyle Gibson on The Ride With Reusse yesterday.

 

Big takeaway is the frustration that the coaching staff and other officials have with his stubbornness. Basically he won't listen to any coaching and insists on continuing his own way (basically nibbling over attacking in the zone). Don't know if it came out in the postgame, but Molitor was as miffed as he has ever been.

 

I generally have the opinion that he isn't going anywhere because of the lack of options behind him, but maybe they will throw him in the pen in a last ditch effort to shake him up.

 

Very interesting indeed... Not much they can do if Gibson won't listen to advice from the coaches. The last 40+ starts ranging from okay to brutal hasn't changed his mind to seek advice from other people? 

[Linus]

Another reason to option him. Perhaps that and some confidence from AAA will do the trick. Continuing this hot mess has to stop.

[DaveW]

There is now, there wasn't 5 years ago.

Disagree, Gibson was always viewed as a Safeish prospect, upside of a #3 unless he went all Brandon webb on the league.

 

Berrios has fringe #1 upside, but more realistic #2 upside.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Disagree, Gibson was always viewed as a Safeish prospect, upside of a #3 unless he went all Brandon webb on the league.

Berrios has fringe #1 upside, but more realistic #2 upside.

 

We'll disagree on Berrios' upside, I think. 

[Taildragger8791]

 

Disagree, Gibson was always viewed as a Safeish prospect, upside of a #3 unless he went all Brandon webb on the league.

Berrios has fringe #1 upside, but more realistic #2 upside.

 

I'm not aware of anyone who really believes Berrios has near #1 upside, other than Twins fans that forgot what elite pitching actually looks like. I could understand saying #2 if he's one of those 5% of guys that truly maximizes their talent, but probability says he'd likely top out as a mid-rotation guy if he ever figures it out and sticks in the majors.

[DaveW]

I'm not aware of anyone who really believes Berrios has near #1 upside, other than Twins fans that forgot what elite pitching actually looks like. I could understand saying #2 if he's one of those 5% of guys that truly maximizes their talent, but probability says he'd likely top out as a mid-rotation guy if he ever figures it out and sticks in the majors.

Not currently, but there was a lot of chatter a year or two ago when he was tearing up the minors about him having #2 upside (hell go back and look at the threads here, people were calling him a future ace, I said he had #2 upside instead and got skewered for being negative on him)

[Taildragger8791]

 

Not currently, but there was a lot of chatter a year or two ago when he was tearing up the minors about him having #2 upside (hell go back and look at the threads here, people were calling him a future ace, I said he had #2 upside instead and got skewered for being negative on him)

 

That's true. I think we all got a little ahead of ourselves getting enamored with minor league successes because we had absolutely nothing on the major league squad that offered hope. I think our expectations have been readjusted on prospects now that we've seen firsthand how difficult the leap from AA to the majors really is.

[kab21]

 

Not currently, but there was a lot of chatter a year or two ago when he was tearing up the minors about him having #2 upside (hell go back and look at the threads here, people were calling him a future ace, I said he had #2 upside instead and got skewered for being negative on him)

Those were Twins fans and not scouts. His MiLB stats looked like ace material but scouts were typically more reserved on his upside. Even then they didn't expect him to be a disaster like last year. I remain confident that he is an Ervin Santana level or a little better pitcher (career) though.

[drjim]

 

Those were Twins fans and not scouts. His MiLB stats looked like ace material but scouts were typically more reserved on his upside. Even then they didn't expect him to be a disaster like last year. I remain confident that he is an Ervin Santana level or a little better pitcher (career) though.

 

That would be a nice outcome. Someone who can slot in the rotation for 6-8 years.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Very interesting indeed... Not much they can do if Gibson won't listen to advice from the coaches. The last 40+ starts ranging from okay to brutal hasn't changed his mind to seek advice from other people? 

 

he's got options... if this is true, I would use them yesterday.  He'll start listening when he's on long bus rides and not collecting a major league paycheck.