Time for Gibson to go/Gibson optioned to AAA

[KirbyDome89]

 

Just a snake bitten team this decade.

Is it possible to inflict a snake bite on yourself? 

[HitInAPinch]

Kyle Gibson is what he is:  a .500 pitcher, at best.  If he were an innings eater, it would be a different story.  However, since a slow build up in innings, Gibson max'd out at 194 innings and started going in the opposite direction.  

 

As the team on the field grew younger, they became successful to the point where we can both see progress and hope for the future.  In the starting pitchers, Gibson and Hughes just seem like the past.  

 

Berrios should be up, in the bullpen, and entering games at the start of an inning.  Keep him in "starting" mode.  Duffey should not be moved into a starting role, IMHO.  

 

Damn shame about Trevor May...

[Platoon]

Berrios and Mejia should be recalled, Gibson could be the long man with Haley out. Pressly should be demoted.

I really don't understand why D Santana is still on the roster. 0 for 4, 2 more strikeouts and 1 error today.

Escobar and Grossman can play corner outfield.

. There are people who are still in rehab after having watched EE play in the OF.

[Guest]

May, Meyer, Stewart, Jay, Gonsalves: all at one time expected to be part of the solution in 2017, all miscast or misused before Falvey and Levine showed up. Let's cut them a little slack.

 

Unfortunately, Gibson looks like a warm body at best and he may not even be as good as Kevin Correia, but there just aren't many choices in the system. Even Yohan Pino is on the DL.

 

Just remember: the next draft choice will immediately be the #1 prospect in the system.

[Mike Sixel]

How were Stewart and Gonsalves misused or miscast?

[DaveW]

Gibson is blaming his poor outing on the tigers stealing signs.

 

Lol

[EddieMatthews]

 

Sano with his .990 OPS, .415 w0BA, 177 wRC+, and 182 OPS+ is not underperforming by any means.

 

The rest are, but Buxton and Rosario are not yet "leaders".  Mauer and Dozier, off-course.

I'll agree with your cherry-picked stats, and add the stats plus my observations that, to me, indicate that Sano needs to improve his performance.  

 

First is his BA at .241, which is 28 points below his rookie year, and lower than Dozier's career numbers which have been soundly criticized on this site.

 

Second, Sano's K-rate is unsustainable if he will attain leadership,  At his current rate, his K's for the year will be close to his weight, redefining the Mendoza line.  

 

Third, he seems to not be present at all times on the field.  Base running, fielding (.942), and hitting are affected by this.

 

Your comment about "leaders" is accurate, and probably should include Sano (and Mauer?) as "not yet leaders".  That leaves a big gap in leadership IMHO.

[drjim]

Gibson is blaming his poor outing on the tigers stealing signs.

 

Lol

Even if this was true, I probably would have kept it to myself.

[Linus]

Even if this was true, I probably would have kept it to myself.

One gets the feeling that Gibson is in complete denial. He just needs to go to Rochester and earn his way back up. I like Duffy in the pen but we may have to put him in the rotation.

[Vanimal46]

The decision is pretty easy whether or not to tender him a contract next season... There's going to be better options out there for $5-7 million (hopefully more!) than what Gibson does. 

 

[Doomtints]

Molitor did not do Gibson any favors yesterday by not having his best defense out there for a sinker ball pitcher.  

 

Still, it looks like the writing is on the wall for Gibson. It's still a tad early to pull the trigger, but it seems likely he will be done as a starter by June.

[drjim]

The decision is pretty easy whether or not to tender him a contract next season... There's going to be better options out there for $5-7 million (hopefully more!) than what Gibson does.

 

 

A little early to say something this certain.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

A little early to say something this certain.

There should be someone out there better than Gibson this offseason. Having back-to-back terrible horrible awful starting pitcher markets seems pretty unlikely.

 

I've never seen such a terrible market for starting pitching as last season.

[drjim]

There should be someone out there better than Gibson this offseason. Having back-to-back terrible horrible awful starting pitcher markets seems pretty unlikely.

 

I've never seen such a terrible market for starting pitching as last season.

I would agree, and that is the likely outcome. And while I think Gibson is bad and will not rebound, it is still only 4 starts.

 

And the 2012-13 free agent pitching class was atrocious.

[DaveW]

Even if this was true, I probably would have kept it to myself.

Yeah, if they were stealing signals and he knew it, that's on him anyways. It's not hard at all to mix up your signals to throw them off the scent.

 

Also this start looked a lot like the rest of his starts anyways, if this was Kershaw getting rocked and making the excuse it would hold water, but a dude with a 6+ ERA the last two seasons? Nope

[stringer bell]

I like Gibson, but I think I am finally seeing the wisdom in Chief's comments last year, that he is utterly hittable, at least right now. When he works in, batters don't move and he seems to most often get outthought by the hitter. I wouldn't support demoting him now, but another tough outing or two and I see no other choice.

 

There is something there. He gets good sink on the ball and movement, but when he's behind in the count, he is well.......very hittable. Finally, Gibson seems to have a mental block right now. When he is in some trouble, he unravels. The Gibson of two years ago managed to work out of a lot of jams.

 

Yesterday, Kyle didn't get much help from his fielders, but the Tigers lineup didn't have their Miggy, had two fresh callups from AAA and had a slumping V-Mart as the cleanup hitter. He gave them seven runs and benefitted from a runner thrown out at the plate.

[messed up]

 

Yup.

Believe me or not, but keep in mind that 90% of the ball games I goto I'm sitting 4 rows behind home plate in the "scouts" section, so clearly I have the sources (and track record on 3 other pieces of breaking news) to know that the other offer was on the table.

Either way, even if you don't believe me which is fine, the reality is the Twins are still an awful team and have a terrible pitching staff across the board. New regime has done absolutely, positively, zero to improve it. Berrios still sits in AAA and guys like Gibson is getting starts h doesn't deserve.

Perhaps the Twins shouldn't have gone the "cheap" route in hiring a new GM and VP and paid market value for a solid one?

What do I know thoigh? (Other than a 8.00 era from a starter is bad!)

You're giving him too much credit I think his era is 9.00

[Seth Stohs]

 

Is there an issue of Berrios and service time? Might the Twins delay his promotion in order to keep him under team control for another year?

 

Pretty sure at this point, that's not very high on the list of factors which will determine when Berrios is called up. 

[yarnivek1972]

Has the corresponding roster move been announced for the exciting NIck Tepsch call up? Maybe it will be Gibson down with Duffy moving into the rotation. Someone actually has to start tomorrow. BTW, whee can I get my collectible game used Nick Tepesch Twins jersey? Get em early and beat the rush.

Santana starts tomorrow.

[drjim]

 

Has the corresponding roster move been announced for the exciting NIck Tepsch call up? Maybe it will be Gibson down with Duffy moving into the rotation. Someone actually has to start tomorrow. BTW, whee can I get my collectible game used Nick Tepesch Twins jersey? Get em early and beat the rush. 

 

Boshers down, O'Rourke to the 60 day dl.

 

Needed someone to eat some innings backing up Hughes.

[drjim]

 

Has the corresponding roster move been announced for the exciting NIck Tepsch call up? Maybe it will be Gibson down with Duffy moving into the rotation. Someone actually has to start tomorrow. BTW, whee can I get my collectible game used Nick Tepesch Twins jersey? Get em early and beat the rush. 

 

Do you find yourself often getting excited about who the mop up guy in the pen is?

[Jerr]

I believe I heard on the radio broadcast yesterday, that Gibson's opposing batting average thru the order first time, is barely over .100..........second time thru over .400.............. bullpen or down to Triple A, as clear as it get's to me  

[drjim]

Sending Gibson to AAA would be pointless.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to him going to the bullpen to get right, but the Twins aren't exactly bursting at the seams with good replacements. And Hughes might be even worse.

[drjim]

 

Thanks. With Santana and Santiago scheduled for Tuesday/Wednesday, I guess there's no need to make a decision on Gibson's next turn until he starts Saturday. 

 

And he's going to start on Saturday. They won't give up on him this early unless he's injured.

[yarnivek1972]

 

And he's going to start on Saturday. They won't give up on him this early unless he's injured.

He would be slated to start Friday.

[mikelink45]

Gibson, Hughes, Pressly, Tonkin, Mejia - the list is too long.  We will only move upward with pitching and pitching is something we do not seem capable of developing (not that we are good at developing Buxton either). 

[drjim]

 

He would be slated to start Friday.

 

Right, my mistake. I think he would have to be knocked out in the second inning to even entertain the thought of not starting him after that.

[yarnivek1972]

 

I believe I heard on the radio broadcast yesterday, that Gibson's opposing batting average thru the order first time, is barely over .100..........second time thru over .400.............. bullpen or down to Triple A, as clear as it get's to me  

 

I believe you heard wrong.  It's just over .200 with a .574 OPS THIS year.  For his career, it is .268 with a .719 OPS.  It's higher than that the second time around (.296, .827), but .268 isn't really that impressive IMO.

[Jerr]

 

I believe you heard wrong.  It's just over .200 with a .574 OPS THIS year.  For his career, it is .268 with a .719 OPS.  It's higher than that the second time around (.296, .827), but .268 isn't really that impressive IMO.

I was driving and all their stats were for just this year.

I still say bullpen or down to minors......................

[yarnivek1972]

 

Boy, I hope you're wrong. It makes no sense to give him more rope at the MLB level given his performance. The timing is good - with the off days we can roll with a 4 man rotation for a couple of weeks or 2 plus turns around the rotation. Perfect time to see if Gibson and/or Mejia can straighten out in AAA while getting a 2 or 3 start look see at Berrios. Thursday is the off day. Do it then. At least do something before Berrios next start, which I think is tomorrow.  I would also be happy with them starting Duffy Friday.     

Berrios last started on the 19th.  So, theoretically he would be in line to pitch today.  But, the Red Wings were rained out yesterday and are off today.  So, it could be David Hurlbut, who was slated to start yesterday.  I guess we find out tomorrow if Berrios is coming up Friday.  Obviously he wouldn't pitch tomorrow if he is coming up Friday.  But he might start tomorrow to stay on normal rest.