Time for a change

[roger]

I fully expect that Gardy will retire at the end of this season. I doubt that physically, he can take much more of this losing.

 

As for a replacement, A leading candidate should be Gene Glynn, the first year manager at AAA Rochester. Has ton's of experience coaching a couple long stints in the majors as well as coaching/managing in the minors. He could easily bring his two main assistants with him, Tom Brunansky and Bobby Cuellar. IMO, would be very solid manager to lead the team in its turn around that should begin next year.

[Mike Sixel]

This is not knee jerk, this isn't just about winning and losing. Seth and Howard have for several years pointed out that they are not fundamentally sound. If that is not on the coaches, what exactly is their job? Kc joyner did some research, in the NFL admittedly, that showed that the majority of coaches that were around a long time lost effectiveness ariund year 10. That seems to be the case here also.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I've never been a fan of Gardy, though in 2010 I was ironically not on the fire gardy campaign (and I've been there in the past). At this point though, it does appear as though Gardy has reached his shelf life. I'm not sure he can have the impact in MN that he could have with another franchize, and to be honest he's never been one to work well with rookies. I personally think he would be an instant favorite and a good candidate to clean up that mess in Boston if he were to be let go (and that he's more talented to do it than many), but I don't think he can fix what's wrong here. I'd say he needs to go as well.

 

As for mid-season, I highly doubt it. If he goes it will be in the offseason.

[Willihammer]

Who, then, should replace Gardy? I echo the chorus only if the replacement isn't another old fashioned thinker ie. Francona.

 

For starters, a replacement should at least use shifts. 4-5+ free wins right there.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm not particularly passionate about this issue - I could go either way and there are strong arguments pro/con.

 

I'm curious if the return of Ryan makes this less likely or more likely. The more I think about it, the more I'm not sure which way that swings the pendulum.....

[DPJ]

Who, then, should replace Gardy? I echo the chorus only if the replacement isn't another old fashioned thinker ie. Francona.

 

For starters, a replacement should at least use shifts. 4-5+ free wins right there.

They need to find someone who's younger, someone who can grow with the rosters. Who's willing to take the ups and downs of young talent, who's progressive and doesn't need someone who "handles the bat hitting 2nd" or believe in vet pressence.

 

Who's the dude with the huge beard on the Rays staff? EDIT-Dave Martinez

[Brock Beauchamp]

they need to find someone who's younger, someone who can grow with the rosters. Who's willing to take the ups and downs of young talent, who's progressive and doesn't need someone who "handles the bat hitting 2nd" or believe in vet pressence.

Toby! Toby! Toby!

[DPJ]

Toby! Toby! Toby!

I hear he's doing a hell of a job at Stout or whatever backwood Sconie ****hole he's at.

[Willihammer]

Who's the dude with the huge beard on the Rays staff? EDIT-Dave Martinez

Can Martinez field his own coaching staff?

[stringer bell]

Gardenhire has been pretty good at keeping the team focused, but there have been moments since the All-Star break where the team has resembled 2011 and that is a bad thing. I think it can be attributed to being a last place team with no chance to contend and some guys (particularly Span) feeling the pressure of the trade deadline. Gardenhire is a good manager and has gotten a lot out of his players through the years, but a change may be necessary. Certainly, the Twins could use a Latin American on their field staff.

[DPJ]

Can Martinez field his own coaching staff?

Yes, no sense have the Vavra, Ulger and the rest of the Keystone Cops still around.

 

I'll take any disciples from the school of Madden.

[Thrylos]

Interesting to see that there still is a 10% of fans who defend Gardy....

[diehardtwinsfan]

Who, then, should replace Gardy? I echo the chorus only if the replacement isn't another old fashioned thinker ie. Francona.

 

For starters, a replacement should at least use shifts. 4-5+ free wins right there.

 

someone who is good with the kids....

[DaveW]

ctually the more I think about it the more I think they need to give him one more year. This year and last year aren't on Gardy, and at least with Ryan at the helm he was able to make some very nice moves in the off-season.

 

In reality the Twins never had a shot this year. Let's see what Ryan can give Gardy to work with heading into 2013 and go from there.

 

For all the people saying Gardy needs to go now, thats great. I have still yet to read one suggestion of a coach who would be a better replacement.

 

I don't see us bringing in Leyland, Joe Maddon, Terry Francona or Joe Torre to the Twins cities any time soon.

[CDog]

Just to be clear...I didn't say anything about "second halfs." That was in a response from someone else.

Apologies if that was unclear in my post.

[CDog]

Interesting to see that there still is a 10% of fans who defend Gardy....

I would imagine the % of fans doing what you call defending is higher than 10%. By a lot. And should be. There are lots of people and fans that are actually capable of rational, constructive thoughts on the topic, as has been shown in this thread alone.

[jimbo92107]

I like Ron Gardenhire, too. But I think Terry Francona could turn this team around.

[DaveW]

I like Ron Gardenhire, too. But I think Terry Francona could turn this team around.

If we can get Francona then by all means we should do it. I just don't see it happening as he will be in Chicago sooner or later.

[DPJ]

If we can get Francona then by all means we should do it. I just don't see it happening as he will be in Chicago sooner or later.

He's gonna go back to the GM that fired him?

[Boom Boom]

I would imagine the % of fans doing what you call defending is higher than 10%. By a lot. And should be. There are lots of people and fans that are actually capable of rational, constructive thoughts on the topic, as has been shown in this thread alone.

Rational and constructive thoughts = supporting lifetime contract for Gardy. Got it.

[DPJ]

For all the people saying Gardy needs to go now, thats great. I have still yet to read one suggestion of a coach who would be a better replacement.

 

I don't see us bringing in Leyland, Joe Maddon, Terry Francona or Joe Torre to the Twins cities any time soon.

Just cause you don't hire a guy who doesn't have the track record of Gardy or any of those guys doesn't mean you're getting any less of a manager.

 

This is AL baseball, it's not that tough to manage. Just don't put Matt ****ing Tolbert in the 2 spot and be ok bringing your best reliever in in the 8th inning.

[Reginald Maudling's Shin]

What's the difference who the manager is with starting pitching this horrible? Ideally the guy to replace Gardy would be someone who could take the team to the next level (i.e. win a playoff series). Now what's the point? They're not going to be competitive for at least two years, probably three, then at that point who knows.

 

OTOH, do you guys really want Gardenhire to be the guy handling the next wave of players like Hicks, Benson, Arcia, Rosario etc.? Do we want him choosing "his guys" and seemingly arbitrarily publicly trashing those that aren't "his guys" again? I don't, but I don't think Gardy wants to wait around until this happens, either. Let him retire after this season or next, at his discretion, with a little dignity.

[Siehbiscuit]

Gardenhire is a very good manager. Period. BUT, he has lost this team. He will get another job and do well again. Terry Francona will be the manager for the Twins next season. Losing is extremely exhausting physically, but moreso emotionally. If you run out of emotional "energy" (can't get excited for games) you will play poorly. This is on the players as individuals, but this is difficult for coaches too. Gardenhire is not the only problem, but the best solution for the organization is a fresh start.

[DPJ]

Gardenhire is a very good manager. Period. BUT, he has lost this team. He will get another job and do well again. Terry Francona will be the manager for the Twins next season. Losing is extremely exhausting physically, but moreso emotionally. If you run out of emotional "energy" (can't get excited for games) you will play poorly. This is on the players as individuals, but this is difficult for coaches too. Gardenhire is not the only problem, but the best solution for the organization is a fresh start.

Why in the hell would Francona want to manage a rebuilding team?

[CDog]

Rational and constructive thoughts = supporting lifetime contract for Gardy. Got it.

Always fun when someone jumps into the deep end without a clue. Go ahead and read the thread. Don't be afraid. Maybe won't be as fun as the deep end, but also won't make you look so foolish.

[DaveW]

Why in the hell would Francona want to manage a rebuilding team?

Yeah, I can't see it happening.

He will be with the Cubs soon enough. Also Theo didn't fire Terry, Theo was forced to fire Terry and then left town.

[Boom Boom]

Always fun when someone jumps into the deep end without a clue. Go ahead and read the thread. Don't be afraid. Maybe won't be as fun as the deep end, but also won't make you look so foolish.

What, I get that you think Gardy should stay. It's myopic to think that there can be no rational argument to let Gardy go.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Why would the Twins fire a long-term manager that the fanbase generally likes 2/3 of the way into a lost season?

 

Let him ride out the season and then re-evaluate in the winter.

[Thrylos]

Why would the Twins fire a long-term manager that the fanbase generally likes 2/3 of the way into a lost season?

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To make a statement that losing is not tolerated. THAT simple. If they do not, they practically say that they are ok with the product on the field. Wrong message.

[DaveW]

To make a statement that losing is not tolerated. THAT simple. If they do not, they practically say that they are ok with the product on the field. Wrong message.

Please. They are losing but since the awful start the Twins have more or less been playing .500 ball since mid May. Right now the team looks like it will win between 72-74 games, while that is nothing to write home about it is important to note that will be 10+ games better then last year. There is absolutely zero reason to fire him in the middle of the season, if you want to root for a team that has knee jerk reactions and fires people at will I suggest hopping on the New York Yankees bandwagon, I'm sure they have room for ya.