Berardino: Twins place Milone and Fien on waviers

[TheLeviathan]

 

The gravy is not good -- can't you see this is the root of the problem?

 

No, I don't think in any way, shape, or form that Sano and Arcia being passionate players is crippling this team.  

 

It's even more baffling to me that the proposed solution is Torii Hunter...a guy who was basically the same kind of player.  Passionate and charismatic.

 

So...no.  I find that accusation beyond ridiculous and totally unfair to those two players.

[tobi0040]

Our GM has signed about ten players who are virtually untradeable.  And not put his young guys in a position to succeed. Like Meyer, Buxton, and Sano (in RF). 

 

I will say we have moved on from Milone sooner than I would have predicted and that is a plus.  The issue is it was clear four months ago that TR should have worked the phones prior to arbitration to find out if a $4.5M Milone had value and traded him.  If he found no value, we should have non-tendered him. That was the obvious move.

[alarp33]

 

Getting back to roster moves, I understand the desire to send Rosario down but who on earth are the Twins going to call up? There isn't anyone hitting at Rochester except Polanco and Beresford - 2 more IFs. Trading Plouffe sounds good but I'm not sure who we're trying to create room for right now. Kepler isn't hitting in AAA, Buxton needs more time and Walker is doing meh at the plate while striking out a ton.  Looks like Centeno for Murphy is about the only thing you can do on the roster outside of the pitching staff.  

 

I'd make Kepler the every day CFer until mid-June or so, when I call Buxton back up and shift Kepler to a corner.  

 

Danny Santana goes back to a back-up role that he always should have been in. 

[bluechipper]

So we know Juan Centeno is coming up, but still don't know the other move? There is a game tonight, right?

[Otto von Ballpark]

I have to disagree with the idea these moves are net negative. Almost anyone can provide more value than Murphy. A soccer net behind the plate would be better defensively by far, even if it can't throw out base runners. And a soccer net would likely have blundered into more hits than Murphy has.

 

Sorry to pile on, but I had medium hopes and low expectations for Murphy, and even those haven't been met.

Getting Murphy regular at bats in AAA is a positive. But Mastro and Kintzler could be decent sized negatives.

[alarp33]

 

So we know Juan Centeno is coming up, but still don't know the other move? There is a game tonight, right?

 

I assume it would be other moveS... they aren't actually going to keep a 3rd catcher, right? So 3 guys off the roster mean 2 more have to be coming besides Centeno

[GCTF]

 

This is real finger in the dyke type stuff.

Phrasing

[chopper0080]

 

So our struggles are now the fault of the personalities of Sano and Arcia?

 

Good gravy.

 

It is a silly concept.  Our struggles are due to organization issues more than anything.  My point is that if you lack leadership in a locker room, your young players will naturally fill that role for better or worse.

[chopper0080]

 

And that's exactly why the brought back Torii Hunter last year.  Who are those veterans now?  Dozier?  Plouffe?  They just don't seem like the leader type.

 

Yes, the roster lacks leadership from veteran players and so young players are now filling that role.  I haven't seen anything to determine if that is a good thing or bad thing, but it is what occurs when you construct a roster like the Twins have.

[Mill1634]

Mastro is in fact coming up

 

https://twitter.com/MillerStrib/status/728634581893554176

[Danchat]

So right now the Twins have sent down Milone and Fien while calling up Centeno and Mastro. I'm still expecting JR Murphy to go down for a reliever, but I haven't seen any news on it. I think a 6 man bullpen is a bit small for this team.

[GCTF]

 

Mastro is in fact coming up

 

https://twitter.com/MillerStrib/status/728634581893554176

http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd461/Robin_Steinberger/bth_vomit-boy01-vomit-puke-sick-smiley-emoticon-000652-large.gif

[alarp33]

 

So right now the Twins have sent down Milone and Fien while calling up Centeno and Mastro. I'm still expecting JR Murphy to go down for a reliever, but I haven't seen any news on it. I think a 6 man bullpen is a bit small for this team.

 

They also just released JR Graham.  So that's 3 40 man spots opened up, with Centeno and Mastro taking two.  

 

At least 4 guys going down, 5 if Rosario is out for Mastro

 

Milone, Fien, Graham, Murphy

[GMinTraining]

 

I think Mastroanni makes sense only from the standpoint that they don't play him unless someone is hurt or needs a day off. Give Arcia, Sano, Santana a chance to play everyday. Arcia needs to face left handers even though he can't hit them.  This outfield will be the league 's worst defensively but Buxton, Rosario, Kepler are not ready yet. If they drop Mastroanni as soon as one of these three are ready to be called up again then I think it makes sense.

If Mastro is only coming up for a three day lay over and in case someone gets hurt, why not go with the outfielder already on the 40 man (ABW II).  He is a better pinch hit option than Mastro.  Nobody cares if he sits for 3 or 5 days anyway.  He definitely provides more late inning punch.

[S.]

 

“We’re not playing too well,” Ryan said. “Consequently, we are going to have to start making some difficult decisions for our players, whether it is their near future or distant. It is not going good enough for us to wait. We are going to have to make some decisions.”

Mastro is in fact coming up

 

"Well boys, we did some things and some things happened, so now we're gonna do some other things we've done before with no success to see if things change. Yep, we got ourselves one hell of a game plan here."

 

 

 

Meanwhile, the Twins fans also have their game plans figured out:

 

 

[alarp33]

 

They also just released JR Graham.  So that's 3 40 man spots opened up, with Centeno and Mastro taking two.  

 

At least 4 guys going down, 5 if Rosario is out for Mastro

 

Milone, Fien, Graham, Murphy

 

Add Ryan O'Rourke to the list... holy cow

[raindog]

Well, the season is going horribly but at least our GM has a plan...just kidding, let's just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

[Danchat]

I'm trying to figure out the Twins' roster moves.... here's what I got.

-DFA'd

Milone

Fien

O'Rourke

Graham

-Optioned

Murphy

 

-Called Up

Centeno

Mastro

-Activated

E. Santana

 

The Twins have 2 open roster spots and just 5 guys in the bullpen (Jepsen, May, Abad, Pressly, Tonkin). This also leaves 2 open 40 man roster spots.

 

Also, why did the Twins carry JR Graham for all of last season just to cut him now? I know he wasn't playing very well, but I thought they'd let him struggle in AAA a little longer. Also, I don't think O'Rourke got a fair shake. Molitor doesn't know how to use him as a LOOGY.

[gmarais66]

Ok... Mastro is batting .208 in Rochester. That translates to about .175 at the major league level... This is supposed to help the Twins how? Maybe Terry Ryan was still looking at Mastro's red hot spring training numbers, hoping he can re-kindle that Fort Myers magic.

[Otto von Ballpark]

So off the 25 man:

Milone

Fien

Graham

O'Rourke

Murphy (optioned)

 

Added:

Centeno

Mastroianni

Ervin Santana (activated)

 

Still 2 more adds coming, right?

 

Edit: no. See below.

[alarp33]

 

So off the 25 man:
Milone
Fien
Graham
O'Rourke
Murphy (optioned)

Added:
Centeno
Mastroianni
Ervin Santana (activated)

Still 2 more adds coming, right?

 

After reading more... no. 

 

Milone and Fien were put on waivers, they are still on the 25 man roster.  

 

They are on waivers, not DFA'd.  So I guess who knows what the intention with them is.  I think in the original report Berardino confused waivers and DFA

 

Maybe someone can clarify, but why put them on waivers if you intend to send them to AAA, wouldn't you just DFA them?

[tobi0040]

 

After reading more... no. 

 

Milone and Fien were put on waivers, they are still on the 25 man roster.  

 

They are on waivers, not DFA'd.  So I guess who knows what the intention with them is.  I think in the original report Berardino confused waivers and DFA

 

Maybe someone can clarify, but why put them on waivers if you intend to send them to AAA, wouldn't you just DFA them?

 

Ahh.  Maybe we will get blown away if we add Milone and Fein together on a trade.  Two cans of Pepsi. Not just one.

[zenser]

Has Milone and Fein officially been put on waivers? 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Interesting. Outright assignment waivers:

http://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3530

 

Of note: "A club does not have to outright a player to the minors after Outright Assignment Waivers have been secured."

 

So Milone and Fien might be sticking around on the MLB roster for now, but assuming they clear, the Twins will have the ability to outright them anytime between now and the end of this waiver period (August 31).

[DocBauer]

Ok... Mastro is batting .208 in Rochester. That translates to about .175 at the major league level... This is supposed to help the Twins how? Maybe Terry Ryan was still looking at Mastro's red hot spring training numbers, hoping he can re-kindle that Fort Myers magic.

But at this point, who else would you bring up? You don't want Buxton, Kepler or Walker sitting on the bench, and if you're smart about it...poor choice of words these days perhaps...you don't want to disrupt their daily playing/development/progress at Rochester.

 

So you keep the kids down playing every day and add a solid defensive OF with some speed to sit on the bench, PR and maybe be a late inning defensive replacement.

[DocBauer]

Well, the season is going horribly but at least our GM has a plan...just kidding, let's just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

Yes...but...while the past few months have just felt awkward in regard to Twins moves, isn't what's taking place right now kind of what we've all been clamoring for? Keep the long term, remove the short term, promote players, even if it's AA to AAA and A to AA, etc.

[DocBauer]

So off the 25 man:

Milone

Fien

Graham

O'Rourke

Murphy (optioned)

Added:

Centeno

Mastroianni

Ervin Santana (activated)

Still 2 more adds coming, right?

Boshers?

[Danchat]

Oh... so I've been doing some looking around the Internet, and it seems Milone and Fien were placed on waivers but not DFA'd. Berardino suspected they would be DFA'd, but it actually hasn't happened. So O'Rourke and Graham's roster spots are now occupied by Centeno and Mastro, and Milone/Fien are still with the team.

 

Can I get some confirmation here?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

All these moves just feel like window dressing. I hope Ryan doesn't think he's made big changes now.

[gmarais66]

 

All these moves just feel like window dressing. I hope Ryan doesn't think he's made big changes now.

These are big moves... There are the moves that will put them right back into contention. From worst to first, here they come...