Pete Rose Bet On Baseball... As A Player

[Seth Stohs]

This morning, ESPN's Outside The Lines discovered that Pete Rose bet on baseball as a player.

 

This definitely does (and should) close the door on any chance Rose had of getting into the Hall of Fame.

[gunnarthor]

Not really a shocker but OTL has documentation proving that Rose bet on baseball not just as a manager but also as a player.

 

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13114874/notebook-obtained-lines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986

 

So, if you've been paying attention (and who can blame you if you weren't), Rose's denials have gone from

 

I never bet on baseball to

I never bet while playing to

I only bet when I was a manager to

I never bet on the Reds to

I only bet on the Reds to win

 

I think the only thing left to un-cover is evidence that he bet against the Reds.

[Otto von Ballpark]

It probably would have been smart to bet against the Reds on days Rose was playing in 1986.

[nicksaviking]

So clearly his denials were soley to look good to the fans and the media. 

 

Unless the Gmen kept this mum from the MLB, they obviously knew he had been lying, which means Rose's continued declaration of innocence was always getting him nowhere with the organization he claimed to want to get back into.

[Vanimal46]

_{Funny that these details came out now that Selig's gone and it seemed like the idea of reinstating Rose was warming up. Safe to say this is the nail in the coffin that he will never be reinstated in baseball as long as he's alive.}

[drjim]

I always found it amazing that Rose wouldn't accept reasonable requests for even a partial reinstatement.

[DaveW]

Rose made 7.1 million in his career, I would guess his net worth is below 500k at this point.

[gunnarthor]

 

Rose made 7.1 million in his career, I would guess his net worth is below 500k at this point.

Yeah, the most depressing thing about sports is how many former athletes lose all or most of their money. 

[DaveW]

He's a freaking degenerate, it's hard to feel too bad for him. It's not like he got swindled out of his own money.

 

What do you think the over/under is for number of games Rose "threw" in his playing days? I think somewhere around 30.5

 

Dude owed hundreds and hundreds of thousands to the mob, I don't see how he didn't throw games.

[nicksaviking]

 

Yeah, the most depressing thing about sports is how many former athletes lose all or most of their money. 

 

And more often than not, you'll lose it a whole lot faster if you happen to be betting on the Reds the past 30 years.

[nicksaviking]

 

He's a freaking degenerate, it's hard to feel too bad for him. It's not like he got swindled out of his own money.

 

What do you think the over/under is for number of games Rose "threw" in his playing days? I think somewhere around 30.5

 

Dude owed hundreds and hundreds of thousands to the mob, I don't see how he didn't throw games.

 

Maybe, but that seems like a lot.  Looking at Johnny Bench's hands, I might be more scared of crossing him than a mob enforcer though.

[D. Hocking]

 

Rose made 7.1 million in his career, I would guess his net worth is below 500k at this point.

 

Plus, think of how much potential revenue he lost by his fall from grace so to speak.  All of the appearances, commentary, endorsements, jobs that he might have gotten as one of the greats in his post playing career, and instead he is often the elephant in the room.

 

And yes, as mentioned above, in general it is sad how many players end up broke and not really understanding the short period of time they will be making the big money and not really setting aside for retirement from the game.

[gunnarthor]

The interesting thing to me is that, as manager, Rose's Reds came in 2nd in the NL West every year from 85-88.  But the first place team was different every year.  Those Reds just couldn't quite get over the hump, I guess. And then Lou Pinella takes over and they win the WS in 1990.  

 

I have no idea if those Reds teams should've won more but it doesn't look good at all.

[Mike Sixel]

I don't get why people

 

a: care who is in a museum or not

b: can't stop talking about Pete Rose or Princess Di

 

This is not to disparage the thread, I get why this exists. I just don't get why people care a lot one way or the other.

[Vanimal46]

 

I don't get why people

 

a: care who is in a museum or not

b: can't stop talking about Pete Rose or Princess Di

 

This is not to disparage the thread, I get why this exists. I just don't get why people care a lot one way or the other.

 

I think people care more about keeping him out of baseball and will do anything to keep it that way. For myself I could care less either way. I just don't get the timing of this. Why is this information unsealed and brought to public knowledge after 30 years?

[Mike Sixel]

Meh, he's out of baseball, isn't he?

 

Are there people arguing he should be allowed to coach/manage/GM (other than other teams, who would love that)?

[jokin]

 

I don't get why people

 

a: care who is in a museum or not

b: can't stop talking about Pete Rose or Princess Di

 

This is not to disparage the thread, I get why this exists. I just don't get why people care a lot one way or the other.

 

 

I think George Santayana had something to say on this subject.

[gunnarthor]

 

I don't get why people

 

a: care who is in a museum or not

b: can't stop talking about Pete Rose or Princess Di

 

This is not to disparage the thread, I get why this exists. I just don't get why people care a lot one way or the other.

It's in the Other Baseball thread for a reason.  It's baseball news and a lot of people discuss HOF inclusion all the time.

[Mike Sixel]

I get that, I don't get why......

 

why do people care who is in a museum? why are people obsessed with princess Di all these years later?

 

Someone explain people to me! 

[D. Hocking]

 

I get that, I don't get why......

 

why do people care who is in a museum? why are people obsessed with princess Di all these years later?

 

Someone explain people to me! 

 

I will never stop talking about Princess Di's illegal wagering on cricket.  Permanently damaged the game and killed the momentum of the cricket movement that had been building on this side of the Atlantic.    We would probably have a new cricket stadium next to Target Field by now if not for her arrogance.

[nicksaviking]

I like baseball history.  While this news is current, it's really going to go down as a footnote related to what happened in 1989. 

[jokin]

 

I get that, I don't get why......

 

why do people care who is in a museum? why are people obsessed with princess Di all these years later?

 

Someone explain people to me! 

 

 

I think the Di thing in America has a strong correlation almost exclusively to females and British expats.  In my experience, whenever the subject of the royals has come up over the years at get-togethers- either before or after Di's demise,  the males tended to refrain from comment, or evacuate the immediate area as quickly as possible.

[D. Hocking]

 

I think the Di thing in America has a strong correlation almost exclusively to females and British expats.  In my experience, whenever the subject of the royals has come up over the years at get-togethers- either before or after Di's demise,  the males tended to refrain from comment, or evacuate the immediate area as quickly as possible.

 

My brother used to talk about what a waste of space and money the royal family was in general, partially because he meant it, and partially because it riled up my sisters - who in high school got up to watch the royal wedding (in fairness to them - I doubt they would not do that now).  The other thing he would do to trigger an argument with them was to discuss why figure skating was not a sport - but that is an entirely different topic...

[ScrapTheNickname]

 

I will never stop talking about Princess Di's illegal wagering on cricket.  Permanently damaged the game and killed the momentum of the cricket movement that had been building on this side of the Atlantic.    We would probably have a new cricket stadium next to Target Field by now if not for her arrogance.

Finally, someone with some SENSE.

[TheLeviathan]

Pete Rose was one of the most prodigious hitters in baseball history, was an icon during his era, and easily a HOFer outside of these issues.  People talk about it because it's a really unique situation.

[ashbury]

I think George Santayana had something to say on this subject.

What, that "history is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there"?

 

/ I keed, I know you mean the "condemned to repeat it" one.

[spinowner]

I think any player, manager, coach, general manager or scout who has bet on baseball while on the payroll should be given a lifetime ban from the game. Same for owners. There would also be no HOF elegibility although I don't think that's as big of a deal. So this recent revelation has not had any effect on my opinion.

[drjim]

The other aspect of this story that I forgot about was that Rose was going to have a role in the all star game festivities this year in Cincinnati, but I suspect that is now off the table.

[Blake]

The only time Pete and HOF should be in the same sentence is when someone in MLB management says "Pete Rose is never going to get in the HOF and Pete should shut up about it already."

[Tuba]

I haven't followed the Pete Rose saga much. I don't see why he can't be considered for the HOF for betting on baseball; while PEDs users, who actually cheated at baseball, are at least considered eligible?